Game of Thrones 7.4 "The Spoils of War" (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

Daenerys fights back. Jaime faces an unexpected situation. Arya comes home.

[NewJeffCT]

1. A few articles

a bad week for HBO?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/08/05/a-leaked-game-of-thrones-episode-was-just-one-part-of-hbos-bad-week/?utm_term=.660eea1aaade

gotta save money somewhere, right?
https://qz.com/1047018/game-of-thrones-season-7-the-nights-watch-capes-are-actually-ikea-rugs/

forecasting the future?
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/4-early-game-thrones-scenes-dropped-hints-future-article-1.3384755

new images:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/08/05/heres-what-these-new-game-of-thrones-images-tell-us-about-episode-4/#66b9ccd63695

[politicat]

13. On the IKEA...

That's what costumers DO. I think I know which sheepskins they're using; sheepskin in quantity is not inexpensive, and they're doing a lot of work after the fact.

I'd be using IKEA fabric for some of their background costuming, too. IKEA carries a fairly coarse weave pure linen for $8 for a 60" wide yard; it comes in natural and grey, so it's very dyable and it washes into buttery soft linen goodness that I've never found for under $25 a yard elsewhere. It's perfect for the not-aristocracy.

[NewJeffCT]

14. cool

thanks for that information

[NewJeffCT]

2. a few more articles

pacing in season 7?
http://nerdist.com/game-of-thrones-pacing-problem-pro-con-list/

The return?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-see-moment-lone-wolf-arrives-1027013

Scholars and Game of Thrones:
https://qz.com/1045204/hbos-game-of-thrones-season-7-medieval-scholars-are-finding-the-shows-historical-roots/

[Baitball Blogger]

3. I have a guess, which might be a spoiler.

Jaime is going to put down his own sister. He's the King Slayer, and he is going to kill her because she is going to get increasingly vicious and cruel. She has already crossed into the Mad King's realm.

I think Olenna Tyrell gave him foreshadow.

[Raissa]

5. Also, the prophecy... (book spoilers)

... that she received in her youth. That she'd survive her three children and be killed by her younger brother. They omitted that last bit in the witch sequence in the show, but it was in the book.

I think she always assumed it was Tyrion since she hated him and blamed him for their mother's death, but she was also the first born of the twins.

[NewJeffCT]

6. Yes

the valonqar prophecy. The book also mentioned her losing out to a more beautiful queen, which could be Dany, Margaery (at the time) or Sansa, even.

[Solly Mack]

8. I think you're right.

[TDale313]

59. I think so too.

Spoilers:




In the books (not the show, I don't think) the prophecy Cersei gets as a child says she'll see all her children die, and the be killed by her little brother. It was assumed that meant Tyrion, but Jamie to me makes far more sense.

[Drahthaardogs]

80. My Hope is that Arya kills Jamie, steals his face and kills Cersi

THAT would be poetic Justice. Even better than baking little Walder into a pie.

[blogslut]

4. I am a bad person.

This episode was leaked online. It's pretty good. I'm still gonna watch on HBO Now tonight.

[NewJeffCT]

7. I'm also bad

I was only going to watch a bit, but just couldn't stop. Very intense episode and a stunning ending.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Does Arya get good screen time?

[NewJeffCT]

10. Yes

all the surviving Starks do - Sansa, Arya, Bran and Jon

[NewJeffCT]

11. oh

i'll definitely be watching again as well - the video I watched was not exactly HD in quality and had a timer running across the screen.

[NewJeffCT]

12. some recent Game of Thrones memes

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[NewJeffCT]

15. almost time now

should be intense

[NewJeffCT]

16. Here we go

previously on - flashback to season 1 with Littlefinger and the dagger

[Baitball Blogger]

25. I didn't see the flashback. What was the history of the dagger?

[NewJeffCT]

32. in season 1

when Cat Stark and Bran's wolf stopped an assassin's attack on Bran - the assassin was carrying that dagger. Littlefinger said it was his, but he lost it to Tyrion Lannister gambling... and, thus Cat took Tyrion prisoner and off to The Eyrie for the trial by combat

[Baitball Blogger]

34. What was Little Finger's reason for lying?

Did he set up the hit?

Bran would know all of this.

It is so sad that Myra had to be used in order to demonstrate the extent of Bran's transformation.

[NewJeffCT]

40. I think Bran knows

but, I'm not positive. LF wanted a war between the Starks, Lannisters and Baratheons so he could move up and become one of the great lords rather than a low rate lord from a poor island with a talent for money

[Baitball Blogger]

41. Well, he got what he wanted.

I just don't understand why Sansa keeps him close to her side, when she obviously doesn't trust him. For his troops?

[NewJeffCT]

42. I'm guessing

that she thinks she is smart enough to play Littlefinger. While she is a lot wiser and is proving to be a good leader, Littlefinger has been playing the Game of Thrones for 30-40 years

[NewJeffCT]

17. Bronn showing some wisdom

Knows something is up with Jamie being so pissy

[NewJeffCT]

18. Bran flusters Littlefinger

with his "Chaos is a ladder" comment from 4 seasons ago

[NewJeffCT]

19. Arya back at Winterfell

nobody knows who she is

[NewJeffCT]

20. Nice reunion

between Arya and Sansa - not as emotional as I thought

[NewJeffCT]

21. Bran gives Arya

the Valerian Steel dagger

[NewJeffCT]

22. Jon in the cave

with a beautiful young woman again...

[NewJeffCT]

23. Arya rocks

takes on Brienne and looks good doing it

[Baitball Blogger]

24. Sansa did not seem thrilled to see her new talents. Why not?

And, wasn't Little Finger on Arya's list?

[NewJeffCT]

33. I don't think he's on the list?

but, I'm not certain

[blogslut]

53. He's not on it.

Yet.

[Baitball Blogger]

76. Yup.

If she knew what he was capable of, he would have been on the top of that list.

Maybe Sansa knows that Arya should end Little Finger?

I just don't understand why Little Finger wouldn't see the danger of being in the midst of children who have no reason to trust him.

[Baitball Blogger]

26. Dany turns up the heat!

Okay, so she compromised with Jon? She didn't run off burning castles and fields, but instead took a direct approach? Is this what Jon had in mind?

It's pretty damn impressive.

[Baitball Blogger]

27. Wow. The Lannisters will lose the war just because they can't keep up with their

family motto.

Damn. Spoke too soon. Here comes the big arrow.

[Baitball Blogger]

28. I can't watch!

Dany had fair warning.

[Baitball Blogger]

29. No way! It can't end this way!

[OriginalGeek]

66. Every. Single. Time.

Fade to black gets me every single time.


But man, what a great ep!

[politicat]

30. Do we have a captive or an offering to the drowned god?

(Hoping captive. With a side of stay out of the water in armor.)



Bron is now on my shit list.

[Baitball Blogger]

36. Isn't that interesting how the horse was running on a beach shallows, and

someone managed to tackle him into deep water?

[NewJeffCT]

47. I thought it was Bronn at first

but, he was on the ground and would have had to have gotten a horse and then ridden across the field. Somebody online said it could have been one of the Dothraki guard that Tyrion had - Tyrion maybe sent them to save Jamie?

[Baitball Blogger]

50. It is amazing how Jamie's army was no match for the Dothraki.

but, their strength is open plain and they didn't give Jaime's army time to dig in.

[exboyfil]

55. The dragon blasted the shield and pike wall

Normally a good defense for charging cavalry. It looked good, but I have to question why Dany did a full frontal attack instead of rolling up the line from the side (she later grilled the grain wagons in line). It could have been her angle of approach, but it should have been parallel to the line (perpendicular to her troops).

[NewJeffCT]

74. I was wondering

why she was blasting the wagons with their gold and grain - she could have used that as well for her people and her armies?

[politicat]

64. I'm pretty sure it is Bronn.

I admit I may have done some frame by frame. He had eyes on a riderless horse last we saw before.

Still wouldn't mind Bronn going. Not the babies. We got White Walkers; Cersei's shite is just drama queen noise.

[bench scientist]

70. it was Bronn, in the scene just prior you see Bronn looking at a white horse.

[politicat]

51. Yeah, the Blackwater tributaries are tricky.

That should be an estuary, so wet, boggy and wide plus deep in the center channel, like the Mississippi. But it looks like the upper Platte in the plains just east of the Rockies. Bad geography, that. (The Platte is only that deep in spring, during runoff.)

But I think Daddy Abusive Turncoat got kebabed and roasted, so a good day no matter who walks away from that battle.

I love a good horde with some gorram air support.

[NewJeffCT]

37. That's what I'm thinking

Exchange Jamie for Yara and Ellaria Sand?

[politicat]

45. Convert Jaime is the better strategy.

When he's outside of the Cersei Distortion Field, he's a much better human being. When he's with Tyrion, he approaches functional. Keeping him captive and getting his butt to Winterfell where Brienne and Tyrion can work on him is the better strategy, and he's likely a not terribly difficult convert (as these things go).

He was almost done with her at the end of S6, then came the Blow Job of Mind Distortion. Olenna seems to have cast Dispel Magic on him as a final gift. It's time to get him off the Cersei OxyContin and get him on some 7 Kingdoms suboxone.

I want Yara back (really. I like her a lot) but I also want her to kill Euron, and she's in place for that. Euron will get cocky and stupid, because he's just not that bright, and he's not nearly as patient as Yara. I'd also like the last of the Iron Fleet on/near Dragonstone to go privateer and take care of that Iron Bank payment.

Ellaria is done. Even if she can be rescued, even if they can get her out the same way Varys got Tyrion out, I think we have to consider her either hors de combat, or too likely bent on direct, immediate vengeance to effectively lead the Dornish contingent. (Alas, because Dorne had such potential.) It might be better to write her off.

[Catmusicfan]

31. This will explain why Cearsi. Becomes the Mad Queen

[Baitball Blogger]

39. Good point.

Her back is against the wall. Loses her army, loses the money for the debt, and potentially loses her brother/lover.

[sweetloukillbot]

56. She got the money at least.

Tarly said so right before the shit went down w/ the Dothraki.

[Baitball Blogger]

78. Did she get the money?

Bronn went down with a bag of gold coins. Some of it may have been melted down by fire.

[lunatica]

35. Great damn battle!

All the battles in this series are incredible! From The first battle with the dead to the battle of the bastards to this one they are all outstanding! I think I held my breath during the entire thing.

[NewJeffCT]

38. Yes

the cinematography is as good as many war movies

[Solly Mack]

43. That was action-packed.

Sansa seemed disappointed that Arya is lethal. From a condescending disbelief to not sure (at the heart tree w/ Bran's verifying) to disappointed. Maybe even a little afraid? I suppose a generous reading would be that Sansa felt bad that circumstance shaped her little sister into a warrior after all. Maybe she felt she was seeing her father again and that caused her to be scared for Arya. Maybe she knew then and there she would never be able to control Arya. Something she should have always known.

But then you think back to her always berating Arya for not being the lady Sansa thought she should be. Not that all that "He's all I ever wanted" - please let me marry a King so I can go to court and be admired - worked out too well for Sansa.

Brienne seemed surprised and a little angry over it. She didn't like that Arya could get the upper-hand so easily.

Pod was enjoying Brienne's discomfort. In a good natured way, of course. He was always losing to Brienne and this little nothing of a girl gets the better of Brienne a few times and when you think she has lost - she pulls a draw.

Arya wanting to fight Brienne wasn't motivated by a need to train. She wanted to show her stuff. A little too much pride there. A little too much need to show off. Arya took pleasure in the surprise of others. And not in a pleasant way either.

Littlefinger was plotting how to use it against Arya. He noted it bothered Sansa. He also knows he is looking upon Eddard Stark again - but one more lethal because she is less bound by the same honor as her father. He couldn't make headway with Bran and he now knows he'll never fool Arya either. When he looked at the 3 Starks together, you could tell he was wondering how to sell them all out.

He should be wondering if Needle has his name on it. I hope it does.

Tyrion was worried about his brother and was not without sadness for the men of his family.

Bran obviously approves of Arya's list. But maybe he knows what is written is written, so to speak. Maybe he simply doesn't care because his road takes him beyond the worries of the realm, outside the dead.

The whole detached, being unkind to Meera was a shit move though.

Still, action-packed episode.

And a game changer. Who the hell wants to join up and fight dragons? Especially now that a new generation has seen one in action.

Awfully nice of Jon not to kill Theon. I suppose.

Poor Drogon. He has a boo-boo. He sure did get pissed about it too.

Can't say that it would bother me if Bronn died. Tyrion might have a sad over it though. Or not.

I'm sure Jaime doesn't drown.

Oh, well....next week.

[NewJeffCT]

49. I"ve heard

that people online are already shipping Arya and Pod

[Solly Mack]

52. I don't see it.

Pod might be a good guy but his cousin chopped off her father's head.

And we are talking Arya.

[Baitball Blogger]

79. Solly, what do you think between the Jon and Dany dynamics?

She is very much coming across like an aunt.

[Solly Mack]

81. Davos hinted that Jon looks at her in a certain way.

She trust Jon. She took his advice.

That suggest he bent the knee in the cave but I don't think he did.

One event following the other so closely.

The suggestions are they are attracted to each other. That's how I'm reading it at least.

I have said I didn't want the two of them together.

The saying is the dragon has 3 heads - it doesn't have to be the dragons are all in one bed.

Other Targaryens have made marriages and families outside their own bloodline.

Daenerys was willing to marry and bed Viserys (gag) but Jon has the Northern view on incest. She was - out of duty and family tradition.

A lot of the audience is willing to overlook the incest and to even cheer it happening - and there's Jaime and Cersei, the two have softened the blow.

And, yes, I know it is only a story but it's still incest.

So, we shall see.

Truly, as long as Arya survives whole, I don't care who ends up in bed together.

Well, there are exceptions to that.

[NewJeffCT]

82. I think Davos did more than hint

Jon "I think she has a good heart"
Davos responded that Jon spent a good deal of time staring at her heart...

Preview for next week has Dany asking the surviving Lannister/Tarly soldiers to bend the knee to her and also has a dragon soaring up in front of Jon. Maybe he'll become another dragon rider?

[Solly Mack]

84. True. He did more than hint.

I think if Drogon chooses Jon it will be Daenerys that bends the knee. I mean that half-jokingly.

Still, Drogon is the leader of his siblings.

And I do believe that was the black dragon who soars before Jon.

black dragon, black sheep, Jon Snow, snow. More of the opposites and opposing, yet complementary, forces as a sub-theme.

It would be fitting for it to be Rhaegal though.

I think when the dragon buzzed them (last week) it did so because of Jon. The dragons are drawn to him and need to understand why.

Maybe they already know. Tyrion was there, too. 3 heads and all that.

Drogon could be feeling protective of his mother because another Targaryen is present - one he recognizes as a force. He could see Jon as threat to her. But I think it knows who and what Jon is.

If Daenerys witnesses Jon calming Drogon, or the other two, she will have to fight her own jealousy to discover why. Right now, she is the only dragon tamer - but should one or two more emerge, she is no longer the mother of dragons in the fullest sense - only in the birthing sense. She brought them forth - but they were never only hers, not really.

I recall Tyrion speaking to Rhaegal and Viserion and setting them free - and they allowed it. And even though we were supposed to think it was because they wanted to be free, I think there was more to it.


Yeah. Daenerys tells them she isn't there to murder people but unless they bend the knee she will have to uh...kill them.

I laughed at that. Difference without a distinction. I'm here to offer you the chance not to be murdered. Do as I say...or else.

lolol

I'm sure Jaime escapes, somehow. Maybe not. Maybe he, too, is held prisoner - but with more comfort since he is Tyrion's brother.

Jaime now knows it wasn't Tyrion who did right by Joffrey. I say did right because let's be honest - he needed to die.

Jaime also now knows what the real threat is and if one dragon could do that to the Lannister army - what will three do to King's Landing and everyone else?

He has also seen the Dothraki is action.

How can he tell Cersei anything else but to bend the knee? Any other course is madness.

She won't listen - she is already the Mad Queen - come full circle - the Kingslayer becomes the Queenslayer and the Kin-slayer turns out to be Jaime more so than Tyrion...As Tywin isn't his father...though he would still be related to Tywin through his mother. Cousins.

So I guess they would both be kin-slayers. Jaime of more a closer degree than Tyrion.

The Mad Queen did what Jaime killed the Mad King for planning to do.

There have been suggestions throughout that Cersei would rather take her own life than be captured or defeated - and in the books - she sits with poison, ready to poison Tommen and herself ...then her father arrives.

Lady Olenna's death, I think, as Baitball Blogger said, foreshadows how Jaime will kill Cersei.

Everything about the books is history mimicking itself. Of second chances being played out and often ending the same way.

Of the past coming back.

One of the reasons I fear Arya will die. Just not in a bed of blood this time. Well, not by giving birth anyway.

But, there are some things where second chances have brought change - good change...so.

Maybe Lyanna Stark doesn't have to die all over again.

I don't know.

[Not Ruth]

94. Arya was having fun, holding back, playing with the swordswoman that beat The Hound

If Arya was fighting for her life, Brienne would have died in 2 seconds, once Arya knew that, Arya made it a game.

[Solly Mack]

95. Sounds right.

[Not Ruth]

97. When she answers Brienne with "No one"

It is all fun and games for her.

[Binkie The Clown]

110. I thought that was the cleverist line of the episode.

Total inside joke on Brienne.

[Not Ruth]

98. Spoilerish article

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/game-of-thrones-arya-brienne-fight-season-7-episode-4-spoils-of-war

[Solly Mack]

99. I guess everyone has reached the same conclusion

about Arya - her father's daughter.

I don't think it is so much the father-figures that matter as much as the father she returns to, so to speak.

[Nevernose]

44. Jaime and Bron should have both bought the farm

There were something like five fake outs just this episode. Also, how the fuck did Jamie Lannister sink fifty feet into water that was shallow enough to ride across?

Can't wait for the books to catch up.

[NewJeffCT]

46. Jamie was wearing metal armor

and I'm sure his golden hand isn't light of weight, either.

[Liberal Veteran]

48. Yeah. I don't think it doubles as a flotation device in the event of a water landing.

Maybe Gendry will row by to pick him up?

[NewJeffCT]

89. Poor Gendry

I also saw a meme of him rescuing Theon recently as well.

[sweetloukillbot]

57. He's also wearing plot armor

He still has to kill Cersei. Bronn or Tyrion will rescue him.

[NewJeffCT]

88. Tyrion could also kill Cersei

since he is also a younger brother. Heck, he could do that in revenge for Jamie

[Nevernose]

86. It was shallow enough to ride a horse across

Plus the water would have boiled instantly, killing them both. Hot enough to reduce a person to solid ash in a fraction of a second.

[lunatica]

54. I think that effect was used as a cliff hanger to the next episode

Because it WAS shallow water. And two men fell away from his horse and the dragon's fire and into the water. Only one sank. Maybe in the next episode they will show him washed up on the shore coughing up seawater, or unconscious and how he survived will never be explained.

[exboyfil]

58. Too bad Dany didn't get to Jamie before the

bank payment.

Am I the only one hoping that one or more of the dragons gets it before the White Walker confrontation. I kind of like them saying "You know with these Giant Wights etc, wouldn't it be nice to have a dragon or two to barbecue them.

[TDale313]

60. Another really, really strong ep.

Spoilers:


Loved Arya making it home and her scenes with Sansa. Her sparring with Brienne- damn, the girl's got serious skills.

The battle at the end- just, wow. Amazing. Maybe a silly question- who pushes Jamie out of the way of the dragon and into the water at the end? Were we supposed to know or just a random figure on the Lannister side?

Cersei's gonna be pissed.

Btw, I really hope they don't go too far with a Jon/Dany attraction. She is his Aunt, after all. Yes, I know, we have twincest, but still...

[steve2470]

62. I think it was Bronn who shoved Jaime out of the way nt

[TDale313]

67. Yes, I think you're right.

Last we saw him he was on the ground, but we do see him spot a white horse.

[better]

65. I think it was Bron

There's a scene right after he vacates the ballista just prior to it going up, where the camera lingers rather intently on a rider-less white horse...

[steve2470]

69. good eye, I missed that! nt

[steve2470]

61. my review

I'll write my thoughts as bullet points, to help me organize:
Bran - so unemotional which was so hurtful to Meera but I think he'll be a great resource. I do think the "old Bran" is forever dead.

Meera - She did get short shrift by the writers, as others said. She was a really heroic character. Kind of an unsatisfying conclusion for her unless she is coming back somehow

Arya - Quite the professional killer now, Brienne was impressed. It was so hard to read Sansa's reaction but I think she is now convinced of her lethality

Sansa - Both she and Arya were kind of...muted when they reunited. If I say any more, I'm going to come off judgmental, so I'll leave it at that. Sansa gave Littlefinger a side look of disgust when she left his side after Arya got done sparring. I think she may be formulating his demise via Arya.

Jon - Excellent job as usual and great chemistry with Dany. Maybe he bent the knee in the cave and they agreed to keep it secret for now ? Wild guess.

Brienne - I'm glad she spared poor Pod her usual come-back of " I'M NOT A LADY DAMNIT " lol.... Brienne was awesome as usual. I was thinking, wow, she is really swinging hard at Arya with that blade. Good thing Arya can duck fast.

Pod - Pod, dear pod, such a great guy and great squire. Too bad he gets PWNED constantly by Brienne lol

Littlefinger - I want this M********R to die asap. To be fair, slowly and painfully just like Cersei. Slimy bastid. I only loathe Cersei more. Glad he was busted by Bran.

Jaime - I like this guy but LEAVE MY DANY AND DRAGONS aloneeeee lol.... He was very brave in staying with his troops, so he gets kudos for that. I hope he wises up asap and kills Cersei slowly and painfully (can't tell I have no love for Cersei eh ?)

Bronn - I really like Bronn but, same thing as Jaime above. Have to give him credit with good fighting and a good shot at Drogon. Excellent death avoidance skills lol He did get PWNED royally on his horse by the Dothraki warrior.

Randall Tarlly - He is an evil-looking SOB if I've ever seen one. Both Jaime and Bronn know he is, too.

Davos - love this guy and his accent. He was flirting with Missandei woohoo

Missandei - She's great as always. Epitome of class and intelligence.

Drogon - hope you recover soon, my friend. We're going to need you at full strength against the Night King and the AotD.

Dany - good performance, and I'm glad she took Drogon out for a hot dinner Glad she survived her first battle.

Tycho Nestoris - good performance, yearning to get more interest payments haha

Cersei - What can I say, she's only good as a mother. Die soon, please.

Tyrion - I really like him but he's not doing so well in the consulting dept. You could really see his love for Jaime in the end where he's muttering about him.

I think that's it. I used closed-captioning this time and I caught a few words that were muttered softly that I had missed before.

[Baitball Blogger]

75. Great reflections.

I think I'll watch it again with closed caption.

This episode should be called Return of the Starks.

[Binkie The Clown]

63. We were once left believing The Hound was dead, now Jamie sinking into the deep wearing armor?

I have a sneaking suspicion this is a double-fake-out from the writers. They want us to assume that because they made it look like Jamie was dying without actually showing him dead, we'd conclude that they're going to miraculously save Jamie, just like they did The Hound. But the double-cross surprise they have up their sleeves is that Jamie really IS dead.

[politicat]

68. Baptism metaphor?

If he can manage to strip off that (parade style, impractical) heavy, Lannister armor, he may be able to kick himself up. It doesn't have to be that deep for him to be in trouble -- 7 feet deep would do it.

If he dies, that's the weight of his house destroying him, and a little too on the nose. (Plus, I tend to sorta ship Brienne and Jaime, so I want at least one more meeting, so she can assure him he's made the right choice, that she's not choosing him, and go off to see about the redheaded giant who wants her to make him sore and bruised.)

[bench scientist]

71. I want the surprise of him being dead, unforeseen things happen in battles.

It wasn't so much just his family armor weighing him down but his own past too. He killed the mad king to save king's landing only to have his sister blow half of it up. Here he tries to save a forgone defeat and end a war by being a queen slayer. Ned Stark made stupid mistakes and died because Ned couldn't see any other way but his way. I like Jamie but this was a foolish mistake, he needs to be dead for it. You win or you die at the Game of Thrones.

[Binkie The Clown]

72. There's been a lot of people on GoT that I didn't want to die, but they died anyway.

Except Walder Frey, of course. He just needed to die in the worst way. Arya let him off easy, if you ask me.

[bench scientist]

73. I was trying to remember all of Ayra's list. Was Littlefinger on it?

Ceresi, the Hound , Sir Illyan Payne...and ?
She was Tywin's cup bear at Harrenhal and witness Littlefinger scheming firsthand.

[Baitball Blogger]

77. I did a search. Don't know how accurate this is.

Ser Amory Lorch - For killing Yoren.
Queen Cersei Lannister - For her father, for Lady, and for everyone in the Stark household who were killed.
Chiswyck - For capturing them, for thinking that Polliver taking her Needle was funny.
Dunsen - For capturing them, for taking Gendry's bull's horn helmet
Ser Gregor Clegane - For capturing them, for being the main reason they were tortured
Ser Ilyn Payne - For chopping off her father's head
King Joffrey Baratheon - For her father, for Lady, and for everyone in the Stark household who were killed.
Ser Meryn Trant - For killing Syrio Forel
Polliver - For capturing them, for taking Needle from her
Raff the Sweetling - For capturing them, for killing Lommy Greenhands
Sandor Clegane (as The Hound) - For Mycah, and later on for the way he treats her in the Riverlands, for not going to rescue her brother or her mother at the Twins
The Tickler - For the torture of all the captives
Weese - For mistreating her in Harrenhal

[exboyfil]

83. It wasn't a mistake

If he is successful, it ends the war right there. That is what a soldier does. Even with low odds, with a dragon wounded on the ground it is their best shot to exploit the situation and kill the rider. Killing Dany breaks apart her army and makes her dragons uncontrollable and useless as weapons.

They might not get another chance.

[bench scientist]

85. It was a mistake as it didn't work.

Maybe he survives but I think it would be more powerful if he didn't. His story arc cut tragically short just like what can happen in a real war. GRRM loves to subvert expectations. The show producers met with GRRM and know the end for each character as we are beyond the books now.
"If you think this has a happy ending , you 're not paying attention. "-Ramsay Bolton
I also like earlier in the episode at the wagon Jamie said to Bronn, " The more you owe the more it weighs you down." What has Jamie's allegiance to Ceresi cost him?

[Baitball Blogger]

102. Funny how he talks about being weighed down.

...and the episode ends with him sinking to the bottom from the weight of his armor.

Just occurred to me that Dany could order her dragon to bring him up. Easy-peasy.

[bench scientist]

103. True she could.

I thought there was a lot of subtle symbolism though. Ayra telling Pod " you don't fight someone like her . " Bronn flat out telling Jamie to flee even before Drogon appears. Bronn knew their chances were bad against calavary. A nice call back to season 1 when Robert Baratheon said " only a fool fights against the Dothraki on a open field." Finally Tyrion urging Jamie to flee while watching from the hill. Maybe he lives? but maybe he doesn't?

[Baitball Blogger]

104. Jaimie will live. He has a destiny to fulfill.

[Binkie The Clown]

105. Rob Stark had a destiny to fulfill. King of the North, and all that. But he died. nt

[bench scientist]

107. You may be right.

Maybe he kills Ceresi. It'd just be a hella of a GRRM twist if he's dead. Personally I'd like to see Tyrion kill her instead. YMMV.

[mainstreetonce]

96. Agree

Jamie is dead.

We see Jamie again but it is Arya using his identity and when she kills Cersei she unmasks.

Sweet if the death happens in bed.

[Binkie The Clown]

106. That would be sweet, BUT she would have to get his face before the fish eat it. n/t

[eShirl]

87. In the cave

Jon to Dany: "There IS something ELSE I'd like to show you, your grace."

[NewJeffCT]

90. yes

I was thinking that last night as well - Jon in a cave with another beautiful woman.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

91. Awesome episode

It will be interesting to see the fallout from this battle next week. So, Cersei has her gold to repay the Iron Bank but the Lannister army and their food was rekt by Dany. It was definitely a blow to Cersei but how big of a blow? And will we actually see Dany deposing Cersei this season? Seems like there's not much time left. Dany will also have to figure out something to do with Euron so that she can get her Unsullied back. Or will her remaining Iron fleet work on that? What about Ser Jorah? Now that he's cured of his greyscale, he'll be going back to Dany. Wonder what part he may play?

I have to hand it to the writers that they have made things for Dany, who seemed nigh invincible at the end of the last season, a lot more desperate.

[NewJeffCT]

92. Did they get their gold?

I thought the supply train had both the gold and the grain?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

93. I think so

I believe that Randyll Tarly told Jamie earlier on that the gold made it back to King's Landing.

[Baitball Blogger]

100. Yes. I saw it a second time with closed caption.

The gold made it through the gates of King's Landing.

For some reason, the writers made a big deal of Bronn losing his gold bag. Not sure why. It was just a bag of gold, compared to an entire Army getting flamed.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

101. Probably just to show that he favors his own skin over gold

Even though he's fighting for Cersei now, I still love his character. It sounds like he's become rather disenchanted with Jamie as he has yet to get what he was initially promised for going to Dorne with Jamie in S5.

[berni_mccoy]

108. So many details packed in these final episodes.... "Chaos is a Ladder"

I had to pause, rewind and listen again when I heard Bran say that to LF. It silenced LF.

The reason being is it is something LF said way back in Season 3 to Varys when LF was working for Joffrey. Bran couldn't have possibly known about that without becoming the Three Eyed Raven. This means Bran knows exactly what LF has done, been up to and is currently up to. That's why Bran saw through his gift of the dagger. It's also why he gave it to Arya... he must have known Sansa and LF would have been watching Arya train with Brienne and would have easily dispatched her... it was a message to LF that he walks the grounds of Winterfell at the good graces of the Starks and why LF was smiling when he watched...

[Iggo]

109. "Chaos is a ladder."

That was straight gangster.

[Solly Mack]

112. Excellent!

[Baitball Blogger]

115. That's right. Little Finger would have seen the dagger.

His gift was handed to someone who knew how to use it.

[NewJeffCT]

111. some good background from HBO

http://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-post-mortem-spoils-war/#more-150262

[Not Ruth]

113. I watched it again, and given how compressed the season is, I feel that every line means something

From Lannisters paying debts to sailing to Narth. Just because it was a throwaway line in this episode, doesn't mean that it won't come into play soon.

And I think that the dagger is the most important of all.

[Not Ruth]

114. Casterly Rock and the Lannister ground forces gone

Assuming that includes the Lannister allies/bannermen. Who does Cersei have left? Qyburn, Ser Robert Strong, Sellswords, Dickon and Euron? Dickon and Euron are getting promoted. I think that Dickon can be persuaded to take the knee. Theon probably negates Euron at some point somehow.

[NewJeffCT]

116. I don't think that was all the Lannisters

They mentioned that they have Casterly Rock surrounded and under siege, so I would assume that is Lannister soldiers?

Plus, Randall Tarly still commands a large army, unless his group was overrun as well by the Dothraki? The Reach/Highgarden and that area of Westeros has the most men in their armies.

[Not Ruth]

117. Didn't the Unsullied completely wipe out the Lannisters at Casterly Rock in S2E2?

Before Euron wiped out Iron Island ships that brought the Unsullied there?

[NewJeffCT]

118. They only had a small garrison in the castle itself

I had thought additional men came to block off any retreat over land while the Greyjoys prevent any escape by ship?

[eShirl]

121. Most of them were off defeating Lady Olena at High Garden

Grey Worm was all, where are the rest of them?

[Baitball Blogger]

119. A lot of the food stores were burned in the Dragon fire.

Which means that even those who are holding siege might be short of food.

[NewJeffCT]

120. Love this tweet

Link to tweet