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Daenerys has a surprise visitor; Jon faces a revolt; Tyrion draws up plans to conquer Westeros.NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)fan favorite in trouble?
https://www.cnet.com/news/game-of-thrones-season-seven-algorithm-predicts-character-death/
getting you up to date:
http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-everything-you-need-know-episode-2-stormborn-tonight-640444
who they didn't want to get killed:
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/game-thrones-stars-reveal-characters-killed-off/story?id=48791367
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)The Libertarian version of Game of Thrones
herding cats
(19,567 posts)That was funny! 😂
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)should be interesting - is the mysterious visitor to Dany going to be Melisandre?
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)she first thought it was Stannis... then maybe Jon Snow? But, he exiled her.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)at Dragonstone
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)by Robert, but hired by Varys.
politicat
(9,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)asking him to visit her - and bend his knee to her
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Tyrells and Martells to besiege King's Landing, while the Dothraki and Unsullied try to take Casterly Rock
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)is not quite so unsullied anymore?
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)that relate to the prior. Nice direction.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)was a surprise
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Lesson here, keep your life goals simple in Westeros and you'll find peace and happiness.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)Yavin4
(35,445 posts)All matter of hijinks happen at The Inn. "Oooohhh, that Hot Pie!"
eShirl
(18,503 posts)Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)I'm glad she's going North.
If she doesn't meet up with Jon, maybe she'll kill Littlefinger.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)I think her Direwolf will come back to her. Just a problem showing weakness and submission infront of the pack.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)She warged in the books and didn't know she was doing it. The cat in the room when she was blind...in the books.
In the books, her relationship with her Dire wolf has always been that of the warg with their familiar. Even though it was never plainly stated.
Same as the others, with the exception of Sansa - though we don't really know that the two of them didn't share a special bond. The hints given were the Dire wolf's name and how she was neat, clean, and pretty - like Sansa. Not rowdy or as adventurous as the rest of her siblings
I hope Nymeria fights for Arya at some point in the future. Maybe rip Cersei's throat out as revenge for the deaths of her siblings. Nymeria would know how they died - because the wargs know..and the Weirwood tree knows.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)If Nymeria can warg with Arya, I wonder what she thinks about Arya's mental transformation?
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)aided by his dreams and Jojen.
The show hints at warging and the special bond between the heart tree and the Starks...the North. The Starks and their Dire wolves. And Bran does become the tree...in the books. The 3 eyed crow and the (current) last greenseer. From Targaryen to Stark. Because the bond between the two families goes beyond what the current crop of either know or understand....with the exception of Bran. (and Howland Reed, and possibly Meera. Most likely she knows.)
Brynden Rivers - the tree/greenseer Bran meets in the cave - was a Targaryen through his father, a bastard by birth but legitimized by his father. He went out on a mission with the Night's Watch and never came back. Much like Benjen Stark.
Ever wonder why Benjen wasn't taken like the other dead? Instead of becoming a wight, he kept his identity, so to speak. (in the show)
There's something different about them Starks...and Targaryens.
And Jon is both.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)Winter is coming, and all that. So, I see how the mystical force may be strong with both.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)As well as the Starks and Targaryens - a theme carried out in sub-plots throughout the books.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)especially this late in the show. The show is usually pretty good about planting seeds like this instead of just pulling it out at the last second. They will probably only focus on Bran and his warging abilities.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)As far as Arya is concerned, that is.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)The Starks are intimated to all have some natural warging abilities. The books have way more time and space to explore things like this but, ultimately, Bran is the only character on the show who has been established to have those powers and he is being set up to having a pivotal role in the battle against the White Walkers because of those powers.
blogslut
(38,016 posts)I hope Euron kills Yara and Ellaria and then a giant Kracken emerges from the sea and eats him too.
I hated the Iron Island storyline in the books. I hated what the show has done to the fascinating woman of Dorn. I want them all to go away.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)More self-loathing.
Better off dead but damned to forever be reminded of what a coward he really is.
I'm not displeased with Asha/Yara dying. Never liked her. Neither in the books or in the TV show. I don't like any of the Greyjoys.
I don't like Lord Tarly either.
Damn shame about the Sand Snakes but that they would die was never in question. To my thinking anyway. Cersei will see to it that the remainder die. No percentage to gain in allowing them live.
I want Cersei and Jaime to die brutal - yet wonderfully satisfying - deaths.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Theon may yet return to save her, especially if Dany takes KL in enough time. She *could* survive.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)more like her than one of the Sand Snakes.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)n/t
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)It was a frenetic battle but IMHO they would've made a bigger deal of killing off Yara, who only looks to have been captured by Euron.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)I did pretty well tonight, until the last battle. Can one of you knowledgeable folk explain who was fighting who?
I understood the bit about the guy (Theon) who had been tormented by an evil lord. I felt bad when he remembered what a coward he is.
Any details would help!
TIA.
politicat
(9,808 posts)So... back last season? There's a scene of an old man being tossed off a rope bridge during a bad storm. The tossee was Yara and Theon's father. (Sorry not sorry, but not much mourning for him.) The tosser (in more ways than one) was Euron, who is the crazy asshole with the axe.
Also last season, Yara got || close to uniting the Iron Islands under her rule. But Euron messed up that, too. (Last season he was much, much skeezier.) Euron was the one who was drowned before being made king. (Lost opportunity, that.) Which is what prompted Yara and Theon to steal most of the Iron Fleet.
(Which is still an issue -- seriously, the Iron Islands don't HAVE enough trees for Euron's fleet, and even if they did, you can't make ships out of green wood, and there hasn't been enough time for it.) Much cleaned up, Euron spent last episode being snarky and charming and crazy at the other major snarky and crazy.
To be fair, I think Theon made the best possible decision there. Charging in would have just gotten them both killed, with nobody to tell Dany. Euron can't be negotiated with. Yara's in for a shitty time coming up -- she's valuable as Dany's Admiral, and Elaria's just fucked because Cersei's got the vengeance hots for her -- but Euron now has presents. (And the classical writer's problem of too competent, over-powered heroes has been try-fail cycled into submission.)
I still want to know how Euron knew where they were, and why Yara's fleet didn't have eyes up top. That was a too easy ambush.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)That does help, quite a lot. What a mess!
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)has been working on for sometime (perhaps the men and materials helped by the invasion early in the story). He kept the information close to the vest (using forced labor would be a no/no in Westeros). I know Euron had the line after becoming king about building the fleet, but maybe that was for public consumption.
We don't know what allies Euron may have picked up along the way in his world travels. In the books he is heavily involved in magic. He may be as well here.
I don't think Yara is a very good open sea captain. Her skill set is more that of a marine. She may have a bunch of ships, but these are extensions of raiding party ships and troop transports. She does not have and does not know how to fight with capital ships on the sea.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)are good at being hit & run raiders. However, the image they showed on TV made it look like Euron's ship was a lot bigger
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Though it would seem that they all should have been a little more cautious, considering they know that their Uncle is out and about and they are vulnerable in any event, traveling around Westeros engaged in a declared war/invasion. Maybe they didn't know to expect Euron per se but they should have been a little more careful.
politicat
(9,808 posts)That's a crew position. Even the Romans, who sucked at naval battles (that battle last night was Roman naval strategy, which turns a water battle into a close quarters land skirmish), were smart enough to put a keen-eyed lad at the top of the mast keeping the top eye. I expect the Irn Fleet to be at least that good.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)Ever since the TV series ran past the books, the dialogue has been wooden, the plotlines stale and predictable.
I went back recently to the first few series and was blown away by how good they were. "Bad guys" followed predictable courses of self interest rather than being moustache-twirling Snideley Whiplash types just interested in being evil. The Dialogue is wooden and poorly written.
I'm sorry, but the show has lost it. Watch the first few series again if you don't believe me.