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After experiencing a minor success, there is a whole new set of issues when members of the group are taken and held hostage.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)http://www.designntrend.com/articles/71867/20160312/the-walking-dead-andrew-lincoln-lauren-cohan-steven-yeun-tell-their-favorite-zombie-kills.htm
Morgan is building a jail.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/39-the-walking-dead-39-director-greg-1381758573494326.html
Rick worse than The Governor?
http://www.designntrend.com/articles/71602/20160312/walking-dead-season-6-episode-12-rick-grimes-worse-governor.htm
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Melissa McBride
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Walking-Dead-Finale-Left-Melissa-McBride-Speechless-124377.html
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/140274/20160311/the-walking-dead-spoilers-will-rick-have-to-choose-between-glenn-and-negan.htm
https://undeadwalking.com/2016/03/12/the-walking-dead-did-the-group-go-too-far/
http://www.hollywoodtake.com/who-will-negan-kill-walking-dead-season-6-finale-has-inspired-new-terrifying-twd-theory-146811
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Could be intense tonight.
NewJeffCT
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Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I turned to my son and said the same thing about Pulp Fiction. That as badass.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Just leading up to the chaos and bloodshed coming up in the last two episode.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Aren't there 4 episodes left including tonight?
But, yeah, this will be a learn about the saviors episode. Dwight should be back.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)tonight is 6.13 - then, we have 3 more after tonight.
supposedly, the final episode is called "Something to Fear"
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I'm still torn on who they kill. I didn't like Carol's chances after the last episode.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that it could be Glenn, Daryl, Abraham, Carol or Morgan. Not to mention Denise telling Tara that she'll tell Tara she loves her when they see each other again... if that's not a death sentence, I don't know what is.
Or maybe 2 or 3 of them.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I'm thinking Tara may be a death before the finale. She's not big enough to be the Negan killing (though I really like her).
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Damn T.V., mocking me this way.
Alas, I am chattel to the elusive; the just out of reach denouement that will see our group happy, or as happy as people can be in the land of the walking dead.
Tempest tossed by its creators, I am chained by the show's next script, awaiting the fate of those I have come to love.
The merciless scribe taunts me - anyone can die. Anyone can die.
I suppose one could say I was excited...or not.
lolololol
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)they've done a good job the second half of the season of avoiding crappy filler episodes. I have a feeling we'll see some action tonight as well.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)I've spent the last 40 minutes wanting to shove that rosary up her backside.
If she can't get Morgan out of her head, she might die sooner or later.
Surprise guest on Talking Dead, so someone dies tonight? Maybe. Maybe not.
If the red head (Alicia Witt) dies I'm OK with that.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)somebody that died, I would assume?
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)The last surprise guest was Tom Payne.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)at the start - hostage negotiations didn't get very far.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)going somewhere in a car now
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)pretty intense
How are ya Betty Ellen?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Perhaps the Saviors are former Military. Would make sense. Not all would have been killed in the 'Great Panic.' Would be easy for the survivors to form their own units again.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)they're certainly well organized.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)praying the rosary.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Loved that look on Maggie's face. She's thinking, what is Carol up to?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think she's up to something. I don't really know any spoilers this week, so I'm flying blind.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)the Rosary could make a good garrote - something James Bond would be proud of.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)They break easily. Metal links are not meant to be used for rough play.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to mention medical help
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Sweet Freedom
(3,995 posts)She played Cybil Shepard's daughter. Can't remember the name of it. Christine Baranski was on it, too.
On edit: Ha! It was called Cybill.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Young in something, and knew it was not the couple of Sopranos episodes I saw her in! Thanks!
nolabear
(41,987 posts)She still looks like she did then.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)episodes of the Sopranos (when Christopher wanted to sell his screenplay, she worked in film). That and the Cybil show, which was almost 20 years ago!
I loved Six Feet Under. Great show!
nolabear
(41,987 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)her- which would have been on Sybil I guess. But yeah I was thinking Lauren too.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)almost all women featured. A first for the show?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I don't think we have seen that.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)from season 3
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is doomed, I think
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)she's been in a ton of things, but nothing i really recognized since she played baby Alia in "Dune" in 1984.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001860/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)line from the comics, but not from the older smoking woman
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)recognized the return of Rambo Carol - the steel in her eyes.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Carol knows their plan. Now we're going to figure out what she plans to do with the rosary.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)You know, Carol is backing off on killing people. Never a good move on this show.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I guess the rosary wasn't a garrote... but, helped her cut her bonds.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)shit's going down.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)maggie going crazy on the older woman
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Hope that's not any kind of sign
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and the red head.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Just saw the back of her neck. Didn't look like there is any damage.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Carol and Polly or Paula?
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)I'm not even talking about deaths due to zombie attacks. There will never be another show that has people killing as many other people as the Walking Dead.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)FUCK.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)at the end - burning those guys alive. damn.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)That is why she was shaking throughout the show. She knew what she was going to do, if she had to.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)she was holding her rosary so tightly her hands were bleeding
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)And Carol? Forgive yourself this one.
You, too Maggie.
You did what you had to do.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think - something they all say to throw people off.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Though, what a stupid thing to say.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)His people are an extension of his body. If you harm them you harm him. Negan is mean. Just plain mean. But he isn't like the Governor - there's a method to his seeming madness.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)Carol otoh seems to have ghosts.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Maggie seemed at the end of her sanity at the end.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)She never enjoys killing. She also can't separate herself from her killings. She's a consummate actress to the world and can put on a good act, but she really isn't a stone cold killer at heart. She does kill when she feels she has to, but hates it.
Maggie seems to me like a person who doesn't like to kill, but will and not feel too badly afterwards.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)She immediately confessed what she did back at the prison and told Tyreese to do what he had to while pushing a gun toward him.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and, then she turned into Rambo Carol and rescued the rest of the group at the start of the next season...
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Enjoy listening to her interaction off the set with Melissa McBride on Talking Dead.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)She usually plays the young mistress.
I'm thinking about a movie with Queen Latifah, Last Vacation; and another movie with Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant?
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)She was in "Dune", "Mr Holland's Opus", "Urban Legends", and several others.
I've seen "Last Vacation".
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)the only thing I would have seen her in was Dune, when she was 8, and Vanilla Sky, which I don't remember anything at all about. None of the TV shows. I watched season 1 of The Librarians, but don't remember her and never watched season 2.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Alicia Witt has been around a long time. I'm a Dune fan so I've been aware of her acting since she was a child.
I have to confess though, she isn't a favorite of mine. Though I have seen many of her movies.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to enjoy her brief time on the show.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)But I fear someone well loved will die and that death will be framed as a result of the actions by Rick and company.
When in the comics, the sheer brutality of Negan is beyond question.
I never thought Maggie incapable of doing what she did tonight. She always struck me as more aggressive than Glenn.
Carol needs to be allowed to stay close to home until she can reconcile her necessary actions in her mind.
If she was going to break, the death of Karen and David should have been the time.
I'll have to think on it. Really not the time for breakdowns though.
Negan's coming.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)both Maggie and Glenn have gone farther than they have in the past the last two episodes.
If the building from last week was just an outpost, though, I wonder how many people the Saviors on the show have?
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)slaughterhouse.
I was shocked Glenn killed. Because of the comics and because of the show (Dale's influence and his own morality).
But I wonder if they want us to think it was because of the baby/Maggie -or - because well, a swing back to the comics is in his future. Glenn killed, so...sort of a justification or cautionary tale. Which would be trite but doesn't mean it won't happen that way.
As for Maggie, the show's Maggie, that is - she was always determined to fight for hers. So, her child & seeing Glenn again played a role in her actions.
Maggie understood they had to die because survivors mean people with intelligence to use against the group.
As for comics Maggie - well, that's a different story.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Maggie was having none of that!
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)and her intent was clear - Maggie was going to lose hers too. Hence the hit in the tummy and the knife slice to the tummy.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Chelle and Maggie seemed similar and looked alike (which makes me nervous for Glen, given death of Chelle's boyfriend.)
And the red head described how she had been like Carol and changed in a tougher way as well.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Sometimes, when a people get a hint of themselves in others, they become more entrenched in the belief that they are good and the others are bad, because people tend to hate what's deemed negative in others especially when they see the same thing in themselves.
And sometimes they blame the leader. As in it's not the people's fault for their actions, it's their leaders causing them to behave that way. Change the leader, change the way people behave. But that also gives people an easy way out for their own behavior - it wasn't them, it was the leader.
When people commonly think of a mirror image, they think of an image that is almost, but not quite, the same as the original image. Leaving out the physics behind the reflection in a plane mirror - mirrors as a literary device almost always present a character's 2 selves. Good/bad would be a simplistic expression of those 2 selves but people and their motives are more complex than that. Still, motives matter, and the ability to still feel and care matters.
Carol and Maggie can still feel and they still care - I think for a long time Carol denied those feelings and now everything is bubbling up to the surface. She needs perspective but I am not at all convinced that meeting Paula accomplished that. I think it served to enhance and drive home Carol's identity crisis - and she is having one. Her 2 selves need to merge and not compete - right now they are locked in battle, and Carol is losing right now. She is in danger of reacting instead of acting.
I think Maggie was always capable of brutality if the need arose. I think most people are capable of things they would not believe of themselves during the best of circumstances. They haven't been tested. For some, the moral compass is permanently set a certain way and they can't change that (Heath - but time will tell). But then no one has faced a zombie apocalypse either. I think Maggie didn't like that side of herself, and that's her dilemma. Heath has also had the benefit of protective walls for most of the crisis. He hasn't faced the challenges Rick's group has, but that is changing.
Glenn is going to dislike himself now that he has killed a human, and I think Glenn will see his actions as murder, though he'll tell himself he did it to save Maggie and the baby.
We can call it pre-emption and we can know from the comics that nothing about Negan spells safety for Alexandria. Everything Rick said was true - eventually Negan would have found them and he would demand half of everything they have - and he would kill to get it.
But none of that will stop Glenn from his own reflections.
I also think people would be wrong to think Rick has stopped caring and has crossed the line of no return.
I'm looking forward to how it all plays out.
I'm just pondering.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)And we all know that one or more of the main characters are going to die.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/03/the-walking-dead-live-from-the-kill-floor/473337/
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/03/13/the-walking-dead-recap-season-6-episode-13-the-same-boat/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/arts/television/the-walking-dead-season-6-episode-13-recap.html?_r=0