The Walking Dead 2.13 - Besides the Dying Fire (season finale - SPOILERS)

[NewJeffCT]

Putting this thread up early today, even though the finale is 13 hours away. I'll be out for a while and running around when I am home.

My guess is that most of Hershel's family, plus T-Dog, will not survive the hour. I think Hershel & Maggie make it out, with Rick, Carl, Glen, Daryl, Carol & Lori. The farm will be wrecked/destroyed in the process of fighting & escaping. So, it will be Farmageddon.

Not sure if the spoiler is true or not, but (swipe away)
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heard from a few online sources that Michonne shows up towards the end and saves Andrea. Michonne is the katana wielding African American woman who is a fan favorite from the comics. [/font]

Any predictions on who lives & who dies?

[NewJeffCT]

1. kicking

Late morning

[lunatica]

2. Hershel did mention taking supplies for them to the basement that would last a few days if needed

They may all go there and wait a few days. And they have the loft in the barn too.

I know I'm going to be so damn pissed at the cliffhanger they'll have that I won't be able to get over for days.

[NewJeffCT]

4. Season 1 had a pretty clear ending

the CDC blowing up & the group packing up & leaving Atlanta.

So, there is hope it won't be a cliffhanger.

[Solly Mack]

3. Let's see...

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Hershel - Dies

Rick - Survives

Carl - Survives

Glen - Survives

Maggie - Survives

Daryl - Survives

Andrea - Survives

Lori - Dies

Carol - Survives

T-Dog - Dies

Beth - Dies

Patricia - Dies

Jimmy - Dies

[lunatica]

5. they need Hershel as a doctor

Maybe he lives. Besides, there's the mystery of his youth and why he knows how to use guns so well even though he refused to have them in his house. And Lori's pregnant so that whole scary story has to play out somehow. T-Bone is too obvious for this ever surprising story.

I also think they've had too many vital characters killed off in the last two episodes. Dale and Shane are enough for now. They need to keep the people alive or they'll kill everyone off.

[Solly Mack]

7. Hershel is needed, I agree...still, I dunno. Maybe he lives.

I can see how the story would be advanced with Hershel surviving this round. I can also see how it could be advanced with his death. I flipped a coin and Hershel lost the toss. lol

I like Hershel, so maybe he'll survive.

I still think Lori dies. Either now or by mid-3rd season. Unless she loses the baby. If she loses the baby then she could survive into the 4th season. She might just lose the baby tonight during the battle or early 3rd season. That would solve several problems. No questions about who the father is, so no lingering Shane shadows. Worries over how to survive with a pregnant woman - running, escaping, feeding, healthcare...the birth. How to survive with an infant as part of the group.

Course, Randall's former group is just up the road...so...survive the onslaught, remain on the farm..Hershel lives, Lori gives birth...confrontations with the "Governor"...pick up a few new characters.

I think they'll have to leave the farm though. So...

Or -

Who knows? It's gonna be exciting tonight!!

[Flaxbee]

6. I really want to know what happens, but I doubt I'll be able to watch more than a few snippets here

and there -- b/c family hates the images, and I don't much care for zombie gore either.

But the story is so damn compelling. Hoping someone here is kind enough to give me an on-the-fly rundown.

Right now, Hershel and Daryl are the most interesting characters to me and I hope they both survive. I'm sure Daryl will, he's too pivotal with Merle out there, etc. (and one of the reasons many women watch the show )

Wish they'd done more with T-Dogg's character.

I had nightmares about this upcoming episode last night. Don't like the way the gore infiltrates my subconscious and makes me scared to get up and pee.

[NewJeffCT]

8. After he had a few speaking lines last week

I quipped on here that we might as well put a red shirt (Star Trek death sentence) on T-Dog.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

9. Heavy odds in the rumor mill about Lori not making it.

My bet is that the farm will most likely be destroyed in one way or another. Whatever happens, I don;t see it being a "base of operations" in season 3.

Carl...even though he is a kid...has rocketed way past the point of annyoying, and his behavior in the last few episodes has been screaming out for some kind of balance...for him to either grow up fast or become walker food. I don't see him growing up fast.

Hershel? That's one of those "They wouldn't do THAT" scenarios, so they will either DO that, or they will NOT do that.

[Flaxbee]

11. Carl is like Wesley Crusher from Star Trek: TNG -

dear god, get rid of that annoying kid!



I agree with the comment upthread, though, that Lori's pregnancy provides an interesting story arc -- I'd wonder why they'd kill her off (even though she's more annoying than Carl).

[Amerigo Vespucci]

12. Well, once again taking that "I know he is only a kid" thing into consideration...

...Carl bought a heavy, heavy dose of Karma with that "tease the walker that disemboweled Dale" thing.

Plus he's a sneak, an annoying little sneak. He's always around some corner paying close attention to things that don't concern him. I would be surprised if they tried to sustain that kind of behavior across the entire Season 3, so something's got to happen.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

18. Teaser image from AMC:

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/The-Walking-Dead-Season-2-Finale-Episode-213-Beside-the-Dying-Fire-Preview/10459

Here's what we know about episode 213 'Beside the Dying Fire' based on AMC's The Walking Dead promotional materials. The Walker herd will chase Rick and Carl back to the Farm where a massive fight for survival will take place. The episode will extend into at least the next day as several promotional images reveal Rick, Lori, T-Dog and others walking along a road.

[NewJeffCT]

14. The comics had it reversed

In the comics, Shane & Rick are having it at and Shane is getting the better of it, and Carl shoots Shane & kills him. Later, Rick kills Zombie Shane.

In the comics, Carl was the first person in the group to kill a living person once the ZA started.

[NewJeffCT]

13. The rumor I had heard about Lori

was that she was going to be bitten by Walker Shane and then Rick would be forced to kill her. However, that obviously can't happen now, as Walker Shane got killed by Carl.

I'm guessing Lori will make it because it will allow them to work the pregnancy complication into the storyline next year, which is supposedly going to be 16 episodes.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

10. Please God.... take Lori.

Actually I think Lori will survive for now, but the pregnancy is going to become awkward in season 3, so its just a matter of time before she looses the baby, and/or her own life. I can see a story arc in the future with Rick raising Carl alone.

With the exception of Maggie, Hershel's family is toast. Hershel, T-dog and Lori are on the bubble. Carol serves little purpose anymore, so my bet is she's done tonight.

I think the cliff hanger ending will involve a desperate escape from the farm with the group split up (so they can spend the first 6 episodes of next season looking for someone again )

[rug]

16. Throw in Carl and his hat for good measure.

[Iggo]

17. Couldn't agree with you more.

Crazy Carl's got to go!

[amerikat]

15. kick

[Iggo]

19. Hershel's done.

He said, "This is my farm. I'll die here."

Don't get no clearer than that.

[NewJeffCT]

23. well, looks like he lives a bit longer

so far

[krispos42]

20. Who was the driver of the Winnie?

I didn't see who it was, only his end.

[NewJeffCT]

22. I believe it was Jimmy

Hershel's son or stepson?

[krispos42]

26. Right...

dating or married to one of the daughters. Not Maggie, and not the one that tried to kill herself.

Thanks!

[Brigid]

21. Wow!

Intense zombie action!

[NewJeffCT]

24. where did Lori go?

I missed it/

[NewJeffCT]

25. never mind

she was with Hershel's daughter & T-Dog.

[Brigid]

27. Well, looks like all the survivors are reunited.

Now where to?

[Yavin4]

28. Wow, That Was a Huge Reveal

Wow.

[NewJeffCT]

29. yes, it was

and Shane was the confirmation

[krispos42]

30. Who the fuck was THAT??? n/t

[Yavin4]

31. Who the Hell Was That?

Robin Hood?

[NewJeffCT]

33. Michonne

(muh SHONE)

A favorite of most fans of the comic.

(Michonne is a woman, BTW)

[Yavin4]

36. Do You Know Whom They Casted in the Role?

Who would you like to see in that role?

[NewJeffCT]

39. I had thought it was Rutina Wesley

from True Blood - But, they just announced on Talking Dead that it was Denai Guerrero (please correct my spelling)

Found the spelling - Danai Gurira - from the show Treme.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

43. "The Walking Dead casts Danai Gurira as Michonne"

The Walking Dead casts Danai Gurira as Michonne





Posted by nerdblog on March 18, 2012M at 9:46 pm

http://blog.newsok.com/nerdage/2012/03/18/the-walking-dead-casts-danai-gurira-as-michonne/

AMC has announced the casting of actress Danai Gurira in the key role of Michonne in the series “The Walking Dead,” based on the graphic novels written by Robert Kirkman. Gurira previously appeared as Jill on the series “Treme.”

Slight spoilers ahead: The season two finale tonight featured the first glimpse of Michonne, a mysterious woman with a sword who plays a key role in the comic-book series.

[Baclava]

52. that was a badass intro

[hlthe2b]

53. wasn't it though... I guess those who know the comic series aren't surprised, but I was...

Eery, to say the least.

[NewJeffCT]

54. It was different in the comics, if I recall

I don't think she saved anybody - she just saw a group of humans (Rick & co) and approached them with the two chained walkers in tow.

Will need to re-read those issues, though.

[irisblue]

55. armless zombies won't try to bite a living human?

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interesting image, but makes no sense, to me now
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googled the walking dead wiki, shoulda done that first...armless and jawless, so what do her chained zombied make noises when other zombies approach?

[NewJeffCT]

56. they are jawless, too

no mouth & no teeth, so no way to bite.

[krispos42]

32. Looks like they're by a prison. n/t

[JoePhilly]

34. I'm not watching, but I think that would be a good place to go.

My daughter just introduced me to this show a few weeks ago and we've watched the first 3 episodes on net flicks.

I was telling her that I'd be suggesting they look for an abandoned prison. Prisons are often situated in rural areas. They are built like fortresses, and they usually have kitchens, court yards, fences, walls ... so on. They are often surrounded by open fields, they have observation towers. They are potentially modern day castles.

I wonder if that's what you are seeing.

[Liberal Veteran]

35. OMG, Lori doesn't need abortion pills, she needs some Prozac or Thorazine.

She all but tells Rick that Shane is a rabid dog and then freaks out when Rick actually does kill him?

And don't get me started about her not noticing Carl running around without any supervision.

[Brigid]

37. Anybody watching "Talking Dead?"

They're saying Rick kept the secret because he wasn't sure of Jenner's sanity. But then Shane's death proved it.

I don't know why Lori is upset with Rick for killing Shane. I thought that was what she wanted.

[Flaxbee]

38. OK, I missed it. Complete computer meltdown, project due, working on computer and

couldn't watch through my fingers (as I usually do).

Anyone care to give me a short rundown?

I'm going to try to catch the rerun at 11:30.

[jpak]

40. Looking forward to Season 3 - and not sleeping tonight

fuck the spoilers

yup

[NewJeffCT]

41. well, if you're okay with spoilers

In the comics:
[font color=white] the group finds a prison and holes up there for an extended period of time. Not sure if he is going to show up in the TV show or not, but the group in the comics encountered a retired NFL player named Tyreese before Hershel's farm in the comics, as well as Tyreese's daughter & her boyfriend. [/font]

Of course, they've veered off from the comics quite a bit.

[Flaxbee]

42. Who didn't make it out alive tonight?

"minor" farm characters, or was another major character wiped out?

[NewJeffCT]

51. just the minor farm characters

though, nearly everybody had close calls - Hershel, Lori, Carol and Andrea.

[NewJeffCT]

58. kicking for the finale

to see if anybody else wants to chime in.

[fishwax]

44. Lori missing and must either wait or go find her. Andrea missing? Screw it, let's go.

And why bother to siphon gas from one of these cars here on the highway? I'm sure this old SUV gets fine gas mileage.

Maybe you don't think it's a democracy, Rick--but in that case, why should the group let you play despot?

[Joe Shlabotnik]

46. At least they finally killed off the Winnebago. n/t

[fishwax]

47. lol -- true

[ellisonz]

45. Looks like they killed two of the farm family...

...the boyfriend "Jimmy" and one of the daughters "Patricia," but not Maggie or the one who went manic. All the main characters live.

Also, we have to wait like 6 months.

Merle will be back in Season 3.

[NewJeffCT]

49. I was expecting at least one main character death

Figuring that T-Dog, Hershel or Lori wouldn't make it.

[MiddleFingerMom]

48. I've thought since the 1st show with Randall and buds that they were...

.
.
.
.
... escaped or released cons and that prison at the end might link up
the two groups again.
.
.
.

[NewJeffCT]

50. That's a possibility

didn't think that they could be from there.

[Bill219]

57. I wonder who...

they will cast to be the head chopper murderer at the prison?