My vegangelical coworker just told me I am no different than Cecil's killer

[Danmel]

Becausr i am not a vegan. I managed not to tell her to fuck herself. Anyone have a good comeback?

[Lil Missy]

1. go fuck a duck. n/t

[Callmecrazy]

2. Eat Me nt

[lame54]

3. bring in Prime Rib for everyone

[Aerows]

59. Hello, rare prime rib?

Excuse me while I *get to the front of the line!*

Seriously, prime rib. Breath knocked out of it.

[alphafemale]

4. lol. There is a poster in GD doing exactly that. nt

[MicaelS]

5. Does she wear or use leather in any fashion?

If so ask her "What tree she got the leather from?"

[alphafemale]

7. It goes well beyond leather...which I doubt she uses

Large scale produce farming is also something that robs animals of a natural habitat.

There is also the transportation of those products also kills many animals a year.

Use autos?..pollutants.

Live in suburbs? Habitat theft.

These people are sanctimonious and many times worse than the worse evangelicals.

[Major Nikon]

19. Modern farming kills lots of animals

Habitat is destroyed. Rodent pests are eradicated. Millions of bugs are killed. All sorts of animals are chewed up by farm machinery.

If one is really serious about reducing the number of animals killed on their behalf, grass fed beef is a great option. For just one animal dispatched you get enough protein to last one person 2 years.

If one is really serous about eliminating the number of animals killed on their behalf, suicide is the only practical option.

[Enrique]

6. maybe she's right

if you don't have a comeback maybe it's because she's right. I'm not a vegan by the way.

[Danmel]

8. She doesn't wear wool

Or eat honey. She never stops preaching.

[Snobblevitch]

11. Ask her if she has ever licked an envelope.

[olddots]

9. have patience

We are omnivores ,if you like her just burp and growl ,that will confuse her atleast .

[GoneOffShore]

18. And show her your teeth.

[Paladin]

10. Shun her, and seek some quiet form of sabotage. (nt)

[BlueJazz]

33. I misread your post as "Stun her" I thought to myself: Yea, I guess that would work.

[Alfalfa]

71. +1

[Snobblevitch]

12. Is there a common area where staff eat lunch?

If so, sit down next to her with a plate of chicken wings, BBQ pork ribs, or a combination of both.

[Initech]

13. This.

[LiberalAndProud]

14. Which makes Cecil no different from Cecil's killer?

Things eat things that eat things. As soon as we perfect human photosynthesis, I'll be there.

[Iggo]

15. Vegangelical.

[NCTraveler]

16. I think a solid argument can be made by your coworker.

It is an argument I don't agree with, yet I can fully understand how they got to their position. I diverge with them on the ethical aspect. I am able to feel very comfortable saying killing animals in short order for food is ethical. Yes, I know we need great improvements in our farms with respect to habitat and slaughter. I find killing any animal for pleasure to be highly unethical. Killing for sport is a no no for me.

My comeback would be "I disagree."
Neither of you are changing minds. There are people here who fully agree with your coworker. Most of them seem to be really good people judging from their posts. They aren't willing to make distinction among different reasons for killing.

[GoneOffShore]

17. I would have told her to stick a carrot where the sun don't shine.

But I'm old and can't find my self censor button.

[DinahMoeHum]

20. I have one, but it would get alerted here on DU

PM me if you want it.

You have been warned.

[csziggy]

21. Does she grow all her own vegetables?

If she doesn't does she buy them only from local farmers that are fully organic, small scale growers?

If she uses soy products, she's probably supporting large scale monoculture farming that uses GMOs and lots of pesticides. If she uses palm oil she's likely supporting deforestation and loss of habitat that kills orangutangs in order for palm farming to be spread. And so forth.

Question her choices of lifestyle and force her to support every choice she makes.

Oh, and if humans did not farm cattle for beef, they'd probably be extinct like the aurochs. Same for chickens, maybe for pigs and goats - though those might survive on their own, cows are way too stupid.

[Kali]

30. hey!

clearly you have not met corrientes or real Longhorns!

[csziggy]

32. Well, aurochs were pretty damn tough and they're not around anymore!

There was a program about Nazis trying to produce aurochs by selecting cattle with similar characteristics to the aurochs. The things were just too mean and nasty to keep.

[Kali]

34. corrientes are more like cats

smart, tough, agile, and they can be regal as hell. they aren't too aggressive but they can run and do have sharp horns when they do get cornered and pissed!

they are calling them criollos now ( reminds me of all the new dog "breeds&quot - here is a little article: http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2015/02/10/criollo-drought-cows

[hopemountain]

61. does she drive a car or

use any mode of transportation that requires oil based products to function? or plastic …. or?
the production & manufacturing of all of these products along with most everything we use to live day by day or work kills animals and many other living things. i bet she has a cell phone and a computer, as well.

when people get on their high horse, some humbling karma is manifested.

[mucifer]

22. Sounds like she hit a nerve.

[Danmel]

24. No she is constantly preaching

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If it was religion I could get her fired. She is very sanctimonious. And she tells me her diet is sooo much healthier, but she is 30 pounds overweight, I am at a perfect weight and she is 26 so she obviously knows everything about everything.

[LynneSin]

39. I knew a vegetarian like that - somehow managed to be overweight too

another reason I'm not vegetarian is mainly because of my lack of love towards vegetables. There's maybe about 8-10 veggies I'll eat but not enough to sustain a healthy diet. I cannot stand most beans and I cannot use soy products with my meds. I also hate fake foods. If I want a burger I want a real burger not some burger tasting substitute and I can tell the difference.

But I knew this one vegetarian few years back, not sure if he made it all the way to vegan but was trying. In the end he was mainly eating junk food along with his vegan food along with no exercise. Unhealthy as could be. He might as well just ate the damn steak with all the processed garbage he was eating.

[Xipe Totec]

23. Tell her you'll stop eating them if she can guarantee that they'll live forever if you do. nt

[LiberalElite]

25. I'm a long-time (25 years)

vegetarian aspiring vegan. Also a longtime but now "semi-retired" animal rights activist. I mostly keep this to myself. I don't tell my vegan acquaintances I eat vegan inconsistently because I find many vegans to be sanctimonious intolerant zealots. You're never doing enough.

The horrors of factory farming and animal use in general is well documented. There has to be a way to communicate this to peoplte without attacking them personally. Ironically the ones who think they're so perfect are deficient in people skills. It 's counterproductive. It's also ironic for me to be writing this since I can be very blunt and tactless - knowing this fault I keep my mouth shut.

Maybe you could simply tell her you do what you can and she can just back off. I can be good with snappy comebacks but not in this instance.

[JudyM]

44. This is a post that speaks for me as well, right down to the 25ish years. Thanks. Nt

[udbcrzy2]

26. But you don't eat your pets.

I know some people like that too. It makes it weird to be around them. I like bacon wtf! I also like dairy.

[DFW]

27. I would never tell a vegan what to eat and what not to eat

All I ask is that they extend me the same courtesy............

[a la izquierda]

72. I'm vegan and I get preached at a HELL of a lot more about my diet than I do to others.

I don't care what other people eat. I don't care what other people do. Eat what you want, just mind your own business (not you, DFW, but in the abstract).
I do, however, get incredibly aggravated when people ask, "Oh, so what do you do for protein?" or "Really, what do you eat?" or "You mustn't be very strong."

[mackerel]

28. My Dad used to always say, "I accept your condemnation"

[DFW]

29. Now if your Dad had been FDR

He would have "welcomed" it

[hibbing]

52. haha

That's funny, kind of like "Your concerns have been duly noted".

Peace

[Kali]

31. a smug look and a raised eybrow as you bite into a chicken leg?

best not engage at work, I think. ignore the rudeness and go on about your day.

[pinboy3niner]

35. Or he can quietly hang this in his office and not say a word...

[Wolf Frankula]

36. Tell Her That Right Now

Her immune system is killing millions of viruses and bacteria. She should disable her immune system so she can die and those one celled creatures can live.

Wolf

[Number9Dream]

37. Cecil was killed for a trophy, not food

That alone is a big difference. Hope the dentist does time in a Zimbabwe jail.

[Danmel]

40. She doesn't see the difference

I don't carewhat she eats I just want her to stfu about what I eat.

[LynneSin]

38. I totally despise vegans like that. She probably doesn't have many friends

first and foremost I have a great deal of respect for those who do practice veganism because it's not easy to go totally animal-free in a country that has is so meat-centric. I know several vegetarians but that next step is a challenge for many.

With my weight loss I have cut back a great deal on the meat but I would never go meat free. I love seafood and shellfish - would not give those things up.

However I've met a few judgemental vegetarian/vegans in my lifetime and I have learned this. I'd rather argue with some gun-toting, pro-life, Christian-fundamentalist right wing teabagger than a vegan who is going to shame me as to why I eat meat. They get on their rants and personally I want to go find a steak and grill it there on the spot nice and juicy medium-rare and just enjoy it right in front of them. And I'm not even a big steak eater.

But the friends I have who go meat-free, they are respectful of my choice. Which makes me even more respectful of their choice like have meat-free entrees at the dinner parties or picking restaurant that are vegetarian/vegan friendly.

So best comeback for your vegan co-worker - 'Whatever'

Don't argue with them. That's what they want. Just say 'whatever' and walk away because their argument isn't even worth your time of day.


Btw big thank you to DU vegans & vegetarians who were very respectful on my pro-hunting thread in GD (hunters who hunt for common animals that they will use for food). Awesome people who all of them showed positive support! Even a few who disagreed did so respectfully!

[restorefreedom]

46. this is very upsetting

there are many good arguments to support a less meat intensive diet...for personal health, for the planet, for the animals, etc. but when people get in the face about it, sometimes the packaging turns people off to the message, even when the message has merit.

i keep meaning to do a separate op in this, but we have had several good discussions about it this week.

some people respond better to a message with a more aggressive package, but most don't.

i would love to see some survey data on veg/vegans and what made them take the leap..it could be useful to us vegans in how we present the plusses of a vegan diet/lifestyle.

but it is a very emotional issue. i struggle with how to present myself on a regular basis.

[LynneSin]

47. NOBODY response to an agressive packaging - absolutely NOBODY

And it's not just vegan/vegetarism but any issue out there where people can be divided on the issue. Honestly it's just offensive when someone tries to preach to me and give me unsoliticited advice on something I am doing, I know I will just shut down immediately and if necessary I will walk away from whomever is preaching this negative information. I haven't met many people who enjoy standing around being berated by some random 'you better change your bad habits or else' do-gooders.

If being yelled at, being shamed, being shown horrible pictures of 'what could be' would make being shape up their lives and do right we'd all be in perfect shape, live healthy lives, exercise, never smoke, drive the speed limit and never touch drugs or meat. People will make positive changes in their lives when it just clicks right in their mind and what will work is other people providing positive reinforcements. Instead of berating someone for eating meat, invite that friend over for great vegetarian meals and let them experience how great a meal can be without meat. They might not quit meat on the spot but maybe the might make steps to cut back - every bit counts.

[restorefreedom]

49. when i said aggressive packaging

I was not just referring to the in-your-face style of confrontation. I was also referring to making available on the Internet, on Facebook pages etc. the unpleasant realities of what the animals and the environment go through for people's passion for their meat. For example, there is a van that travels around showing videos that are not particularly pleasant to watch. People might pass the van on the street, see a video, and decide they can't eat meat anymore. I consider that to be somewhat aggressive but sometimes it grabs peoples attention and sometimes the shock of it is enough to get them to change their habits. But they are free to walk away and not watch the video that's playing. I'm not suggesting anyone get preachy, but some people who are close to making a decision about this need a nudge and nudging is not always a bad thing.

[LynneSin]

54. I can live with that

Normally that doesn't bother me because I'll just walk away. I know what reality is for animals with corporate farms but I also know that I enjoy eating meat. I do try to stick with organic where I know the animal was probably processed in a more humanely possible way but then again I look at all the shit I own that was probably made in China by human beings working in substandard conditions and I think who am I to worry about the life of an animal when there are also human rights violations going on too.

I can't save everything and everyone else I'll never sleep. So I try to do just a little bit everyday and I think that's all we can hope for from everyone.

[restorefreedom]

55. everyone is somewhere on the continuum

my hope is that we all (or at least most of us) strive to keep moving the ball down the field.

[Alfalfa]

70. I resent the way vegans try to portray (misrepresent) meat-eaters

As if we eat 10 burgers every morning for breakfast. They're also very patronizing. I'm quite happy to eat fish instead of meat some days. In fact, these days I probably eat more fish than meat. I don't some busybody to tell me that or forcibly cut my meat consumption.

[restorefreedom]

73. just like there are different levels of vegetarianism

i suppose there are different grades of carnivore/omnivorism. no question there some very low meat consumption omnivores. whether for cost, health or,personal taste, there are many who have many veggie days or meals. then again, there are people who eat all meat all the time. my feeling is every time meat is NOT chosen is a good thing for the animals and the planet. and a lot of people are moving towards a no meat/low meat diet for health (bill clinton for example). i think it is good that major health orgs (american heart assn, american cancer soc) encourage a largely plant based diet. it puts the focus on health and does not focus on the more explosive aspects like animal rights/welfare, the needs of the planet etc.

[quickesst]

41. Tell her....

... that in your defense, you do belong to PETA. Just don't tell her that your PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals.
As often does, this too shall pass until the next outrage comes along.

[sharp_stick]

42. Tell her you're a cyclist and get into a fight

I love the Victor the Vegan series from Pearls Before Swine especially when Jef the cyclist is involved (It's Jef with one f because he wanted to be more aerodynamic)

https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=&op=noop

[restorefreedom]

45. as both a vegan and recreational cyclist

i love victor and jef!

[sharp_stick]

51. Doesn't being both a vegan

and a cyclist mean the collision of matter and anti-matter? You're going to be the death of all of us!

That whole story arc had me laughing, I just love the use of Behold!.

[restorefreedom]

56. heh. actually, the challenging part

is weightlifting. because protein. but i am working on it.

maybe i just need some dilithium crystals.....

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

58. Rats, you beat me to it! As soon as I read the OP I thought of these cartoons

and how dead-on accurate they are.

[LiberalEsto]

43. Bite me. I'm a couch potato. nt

[alphafemale]

57. Only if you are covered in sour cream and bacon bits. nt

[Avalux]

48. I'm not sure anything you say would matter if her thinking is that black and white.

Even though I think being a vegan or a vegetarian is humane and good for the planet, I'm not about to go all militant on someone who chooses to eat meat. She gives being a vegan a bad name, and obviously doesn't understand how to influence people to her point of view.

Maybe you could tell her what I've written here, and that it came from a vegetarian friend (although I'm sure being a vegetarian isn't good enough for her), and that on behalf of all non-meat eaters, I'm embarrassed by her extremely ignorant comment.

[Ryano42]

50. for your next lunch...

[JudyM]

53. Factory farming practices are truly horrific and many have such a depth of compassion about this

knowledge that is determinedly obscured by the industrial agricultural complex that the emotion feels like pain. So while she sounds like a sanctimonious jerk, imo she is speaking out of the discomfort of pain and powerlessness about the issue. A lot of people have trouble dealing with that level of emotional discomfort and blurt out anger. If you want to have any kind of respect or courtesy from her you could play the diversity card or even better, ask her to send you proof and then you'll consider her position.

[restorefreedom]

62. and many of us have studied this in great depth.

we have seen many things that we will never be able to unsee. And we've heard many things we will never be able to unhear. Most people who become vegan are driven by ethical concerns and know the research on the subject. And as you point out, they are exquisitely aware of the suffering that goes on every minute of every day for these animals. And it's very painful, especially to encounter people who don't want to educate themselves because that knowledge will cause them to feel uneasy about their food choices, and they don't want that. better to not know. and of course there are the ones who know and don't care, but I really think they are in the minority at least I hope so.

[JudyM]

66. Paul mccartney's comment that if slaughterhouses had glass walls noone would eat meat is right on.

I'm not a vegan but I have so much respect for those who are and always tell them so. I volunteer at vegan/vegetarian awareness events etc but in my family people often joke about it and my father thinks it's his right to eat veal because he gave up other red meat for his health. It so grosses me out, but I've given up on trying to engender compassion for the animals.

And unfortunately its people like the woman at issue here who turn people away because their hostility seems over the top, hysterical and so easy to dismiss and ridicule. But the facts and the suffering can not be ridiculed. Kill the messenger...

[Kaleva]

67. Many of those who work in slaughterhouses eat meat.

[JudyM]

77. Yeah, probably get inured to it and have to dissociate from its horrors for peace of mind. Nt

[Aerows]

60. I lived with a vegan

She was my girlfriend.

I worked long hours and she ... didn't.

I have to ask everyone.

Would a great meal include "ribs" made with peanut butter?

I *drink* milk by itself, not as an addendum to coffee.

I bought a grill and learned to move on until I moved her ass out. One of the best decisions I've ever made.

[winter is coming]

63. "I'm a cannibal, too. Wanna come over for dinner?" n/t

[The Second Stone]

64. You tell her she's no different than Hitler the vegetarian by her logic

and see how that sets her off.

I can't believe it took 64 posts to Godwinize this thread.

[olddots]

65. 7.2 billion people

ALL WITH SPECIAL FUCKING NEEDS .

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

68. Have a t-shirt

Oh and...

[TexasBushwhacker]

69. There is a difference between killing an animal for food

and killing it just for the thrill of killing it and taking home a trophy. But your coworker isn't interested in a discussion, she just wants to play the shame game.

Some people do well on a vegan diet, but not everyone. She can shame you all she wants, but humans are omnivores. I think people do best with plants being their main course and having meet as a side dish, instead if the other way around. Instead of being veganazis pushing an all or nothing agenda, why not just encourage people to eat less meat and avoid meet produced in CAFOS.

[Danmel]

74. I totally agree

I work with her and thankfully, another aide, in a satellite office. So the main office had a family summer BBQ/picnic. And she brought big bags of vegan food so she could use the summer BBQ to "teach" everyone how they should eat. I skipped it, I spend too much time with her already.

[TexasBushwhacker]

75. Good grief, do you have an HR department?

It may not be religion based, but she is most certainly creating a hostile work environment. She's apparently an equal opportunity offender. Why don't a group of you march down to HR, or her boss, and demand that she be stopped. Frankly, she's asking to be fired if she doesn't STFU.

[Danmel]

76. I'm going to speak I my boss this week

He doesn't like confrontation. But seriously, it's like she is telling me and everyone else to come to tofu instead of telling me to come to Jesus. It has gone from annoying to insulting and harassing.

[Wolf Frankula]

78. Be Nice.

Offer to serve her this vegetarian recipe.

First, catch one vegetarian.

Gut, drain and skin in a standard manner for large game.

Remove head, hands and feet, reserve with skin on for final presentation.

Given the lean quality of most vegetarian flesh, stewing is an excellent cooking method. Poaching or braising will also work well. Roasting, frying, or broiling will require basting, tenderizing or added fat for best results.

Veggie Stew
Ingredients (quantities are flexible, use your judgement):

one vegetarian
water
red wine
rosemary
thyme
a few juniper berries (optional)
black pepper
pearl barley (optional)
carrots
parsnips
mushrooms (wild preferable)
celery
green beans
worchestershire sauce
bay leaves
bouquet garni

Cube meat into one inch square, leaving excess in larger chunks for freezing.

Marinate in herbs (recommend rosemary,thyme, pepper, and perhaps juniper berries) and good red wine for several hours, to help tenderize.

Set water to boil in an appropriately sized cauldron or pot. You may need an extra large burner or open fire if you're making a very large quantity.

Add several bones to the water and boil briskly.

Brown meat lightly in small batches in a large skillet with butter and copped onion. Brown lightly and drain when finished on a paper towel.

Remove bones from water and add barley, if desired.

Add carrots, parsnips, and meat.

Add bay leaves, bouquet garni, and a few generous splashes of worchestershire sauce and more red wine.

Add celery, mushrooms (wild recommended), chopped onions and firm fresh green beans.

When done, serve hot with crusty bread. Can be presented in large tureen with seasonal greens or flowers intermingled with head, hands and feet arrayed around the serving bowl.

Especially festive for a holiday meal!


I couldn't eat this. I'm allergic to juniper.

Wolf