Madonna is an insecure, pretentious nobody. Dave knows she's a fraud.

[UTUSN]

I know nothing, one song by whomever, just what I see on chat shows and she one-words-everything to seem "profound." She says ONE WORD, like "reductive" (what does that mean?!1) and she thinks pretends she's "deep." Dave put her away years ago:

[Duppers]

3. ?

Inside joke?

[steve2470]

4. ? nt

[Orrex]

6. Posts like yours really help foster a sense of community here at DU

Commendable.

[Duppers]

2. after watching many of her interviews

I came to the same conclusion.

Thx.

[UTUSN]

5. Thank *you*!1 n/t

[Coventina]

7. Madonna is known for being hostile to hostile interviewers.

But, she'd love to know that she's made you think about her enough to go to the trouble to post a thread about how much you hate her.

[Major Nikon]

8. No more so than Dave

Who made his bones being a first rate asshole to his guests.

[melman]

30. Not true

Dave was not an asshole to his guests.

[Major Nikon]

31. Sure, Cher called him an asshole for no good reason

[Auggie]

9. I always thought Madonna intentionally pandered to her fans

in that interview by showing she was big enough to take on the show business elite. Letterman was the perfect foil for that, because back then he could be much nastier. Cher called him an asshole too.

That was 21 years ago, BTW.

[steve2470]

10. she's actively fighting against ageism lately....

so I think all of us can applaud her for that. I certainly do.

[Coventina]

11. Not to mention that she led the charge against AIDS in the 80s

And continues that today.
Has ALWAYS supported the LGBTQ community.
Builds schools in Africa.
Has an anti-bullying campaign.
Has supported the Roma people in their struggle for human rights...
etc.


I remember a number of years ago, here in the Lounge there was a thread about Madonna being booed in Eastern Europe for making anti-homophobia speeches from the stage.

There were quite a few DUers who posted "hooray! Madonna got booed!"

The way people love to hate Madonna makes them completely blind sometimes.

[steve2470]

12. excellent points nt

[UTUSN]

13. I hereby apologize to her FANS (not her)

Apologize, that is, to those here who admire her for her career accomplishments and charities and social justice issues.

Not to her, that is, since I harbor no imagination that she lives or dies by what a pipsqueak nonentity like me thinks of her, besides that our individual likes and dislikes have near-zero correlation to good works. LIMBOsevic and many other horrible people contribute more to charity or perform other good works than I ever will even if I had a thousand life spans. When I look at PBS I have to get past the KOCH brothers being cited as patrons of some of the shows I view.

My post was set off by the article below about Dave's supposedly nastiest interactions. I've looked at them again and really I don't see him being that actually nasty. Where Cher called him an asshole, it was a long pleasant chat and she returned to the show many times, including with Sonny where Dave tenderly forced them to sing the big song. In the BIEBER interview, I don't see that he was that mean, just that BIEBER looked appealingly bewildered and probably did have hurt feelings at his own youthful ignorance showing through, on its own I would add.

Not shown here is Shirley MacLAINE who truly was cluelessly rude and ugly TO HIM where she thought she was being kewl by repeating Cher's "asshole" remark without Cher's obvious friendliness to him. Dave had been very respectful in introducing her and when she was gone from the stage he said, like what happened here, "Was it me?!1 Was it her?!1"

Anyway, if Madonna's reading this, which I'm sure you are, I stand by what I said about you and gleefully admit that many epithets can truthfully be lobbed at me. The problem is that Madonna, the gigantic public figure that she is would probably stoop to lobbing them at an insignificant pipsqueak like me.

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Here's a freebee. Shirley looks as stunning as she ever did here.

[Skittles]

14. I have known that since she first hit the scene

[UTUSN]

15. Validation coming from you means a lot to me. Let's hit the scene. n/t

[Skittles]

16. do remember her faux Brit accent when she was married to a Brit?

classic phony

[UTUSN]

17. Yip. But I'm disappointed, thought this was going to be a post for hitting the scene. n/t

[Skittles]

18. should I dress like Madonna when we hit the scene?

maybe she's fighting "ageism" because people sometimes thinks she looks ridiculous when she dresses exactly like her teenaged daughter

[UTUSN]

21. *you* don't need no gimmicks

[Skittles]

26. damn straight

I do not own any jewelry and I have never colored my hair or had my nails "done"

[rug]

27. You've said nothing about cones.

[Skittles]

28. aw well, you know

that's just part of my ass-kicking outfit

[rug]

29. The image!

[Skittles]

32. I WILL KICK IMAGING RUG ASS

YES INDEED

[rug]

38. .

[olddots]

19. who is Madonna ?

[BlueJazz]

20. I don't know her personally. I do think her talent is lacking though. Dave though is a true asshole.

He's always been a prick and a smartass. Probably one of the worst people to be stuck on an island with..

[UTUSN]

22. Eh. I'd do the island thing. nt/

[Major Nikon]

33. To this day he still can't figure out why he was never offered the Tonight Show

[mucifer]

37. Except Johnny Carson liked him a lot.

Johnny wanted him there. Of course Johnny might be a big jerk, too.

I like Letterman's humor for the most part. We usually don't know what celebrities are like in real life so I go by do I think they are funny. I think Dave is funny.

I hear off screen he treated women like dirt. I also know on screen he twice did everything he could to get Al Gore and Barack Obama into the white house.

[Duppers]

35. agreed!

But at least he's a liberal asshole.

[3catwoman3]

23. She is a...

...poseur.

[UTUSN]

24. Thank you. Really, she/human should have dug down into herself, who she is

She's *ITALIAN* (SINATRA, Tony BENNETT Benedetto, Gaga)

[Throd]

25. I was expecting her to evolve, but she's kinda become the Sha Na Na of that genre.

[WinkyDink]

34. OMG. This is a completely uninformed assessment of Madonna's career! TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE:

Her 2012 MDNA tour "was dubbed as the highest-grossing tour of 2012 by Billboard. The tour grossed $305.2 million from 88 sold-out shows, becoming the twelfth highest-grossing tour of all time ..."

"Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide.[344][345]

The Guinness World Records acknowledged her as the best-selling female recording artist....."

"Madonna holds the record for the most number-ones on all Billboard charts with a total of 156 number-ones...."

"In 2008, Billboard magazine ranked her at number two, behind The Beatles, on the Billboard Hot 100 All-Time Top Artists, making her the most successful solo artist in the history of American singles chart."

Madonna has won 7 Grammys.

Madonna was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on March 10, 2008.

"she is the best-selling female rock artist of the 20th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_(entertainer)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Madonna#Grammy_Awards

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I'd say it is David Letterman who is the fraud.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

36. I liked "Holiday."