The Walking Dead 5.9 "What's Happened and What's Going On" (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

“After all the recent trials the group has faced, a slight detour might prove to be the solution they've been looking for.”

Reminder - Walking Dead at 9pm, then the series premiere of Better Call Saul at 10pm, then Talking Dead at 11:15. I'll probably be dozing off by 11:15, though. Saul moves to Monday night tomorrow, and then Talking Dead returns to 10pm next week.

[hlthe2b]

1. I can't believe how hooked I am on this show!

Can't wait!

[Liberal_in_LA]

9. i watched some of first season. found it kinda depressing

[Autumn]

2. It's going to be a long day. I can't wait. I missed a couple on the

first part of season five when Beth was at the hospital so I bought the 8 episodes on Vudu. I might have to buy the complete set so I can watch it whenever the mood hits. This show is very addictive,

[NewJeffCT]

3. they're repeating the first half of Season 5

today on AMC.

[Autumn]

4. Yeah, my Grandaughter will be glued to the TV.

She had Netfilx on yesterday watching from the beginning. Again She's getting ready for tonight

[NewJeffCT]

5. For those that have read the Graphic Novels

the last trailer seems to be Wiltshire Estates - coming into the game much later than in the graphic novels. If I recall, Wiltshire was right after Tyreese & his daughter joined Rick and the gang, and before Michonne and the prison, and even before Hershel's farm.

Wiltshire was in the wintertime in the GN, though, in the middle of a rare Georgia snowstorm. They look like they're in summer in that trailer. While Georgia doesn't have New England winters, they do have nights that get below freezing each winter.

[hlthe2b]

6. With the marathon continuing today, I just have to say re: the child character, Lizzie

OMG, the casting. While I have a hard time seeing any child as anything but innocent, this little girl played CREEPY so well--even during the early days in the prison. OMG, what a great casting job they did with her!

CREEPY!

Just look at the flowers, Lizzie... Look at the flowers

[NewJeffCT]

7. On the show Once Upon a Time

She played the young version of the evil Snow Queen as well...

I guess she's going to be doing young villains.

[Ohio Dem]

13. My niece got her husband a shirt for Christmas that says

Just look at the flowers.

[NewJeffCT]

15. cute

for Halloween, I posted a sign on my front door that said "Don't Open - Dead Inside" on it

[Ohio Dem]

47. Nice

nt

[NewJeffCT]

8. a few brief interviews with Andrew Lincoln

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/walking-deads-andrew-lincoln-groups-lowest-point-still-154801727.html

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/06/andrew-lincoln-says-rest-walking-dead-season-f-ing-nuts

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Morgan: How is he going to find them if they go one a detour and

it's not Washington.

Since the marked trail he was following has run cold now that the cannibals are dead, the only thing he has to go by is the Washington letter, which may or not have any relevance now that Eugene's secret is out.

[NewJeffCT]

11. good question on Morgan

My guess is that there will be another clue somewhere along the path. Plus, as one person, he can move faster than the current group of 12+ people, so he can catch up to them over time. Plus, I think somehow the group does make its way towards DC?

No clue how it will actually play out, though.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. The only clue that DC might still be a destination is that

Eugene said that he believed that there was a facility there that was his best chance for survival. If no one has a particular destination in mind, they might stick with the plan simply because he has proven himself as being more intelligent than the others.

[NewJeffCT]

16. yes

now, was the facility also total BS, or was he actually talking to somebody in DC?

[Baitball Blogger]

17. I don't think he was talking to somebody.

He was probably just well read. Remember what he said? "I just know things." He might have a photographic memory.

[NewJeffCT]

12. The first two minutes of the show

for those who can't wait...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

18. Checking in for the first time!!

[Brigid]

19. Howdy, Chisholm!

[NewJeffCT]

89. Welcome to our weekly Walking Dead thread

I think I started these in Season 2, and we're still going.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

90. I actually hang out mostly in GD. But just as the mid-season break was upon us, I decided

to check to see if DU was following the action on TWD and found the thread in The Lounge. So, wanted to check in for the second half of the season. So, here I am!

I actually got so into last night's episode, I moved from my wet bar where I have my laptop sitting and went to the sofa to cuddle with a pillow and blanket while I watched.

I did get up to check the reaction here and on Twitter to Tyrese getting bit. More like bolted up, lol.

Sad about Tyrese, though. I will miss him.

[Laffy Kat]

20. Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait.

Supposed to be a "game-changer" tonight!

[NewJeffCT]

25. is the game changer

the group going to Richmond?

[Baitball Blogger]

21. Everyone has a heart on this thread! BINGO! We win!

[Brigid]

22. Whose blood was dripping onto that picture?

[NewJeffCT]

23. not sure

Lizzie or Mika?

[Baitball Blogger]

24. That was kind of creepy.

I'm guessing that it was an artistic representation of Carol's conscience.

[NewJeffCT]

26. I think you're right

The blood on her hands from the girls

[Baitball Blogger]

38. It was a teaser. Foreshadowing.

[NewJeffCT]

27. Noah's home

has been overrun it seems. Or, did something else happen with everything being burned out like that?

[NewJeffCT]

28. oh shit

Tyreese got bitten. Can they saw off his arm in time to save him?

[Baitball Blogger]

31. Noah is his only chance.

He has seen the procedure performed at the hospital many times.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

32. Dammit! Nooooooo

Had a feeling though from Tyreese's lines so far this episode. Just not so soon.

Fuck!

[NewJeffCT]

34. I guess we know who the surprise guest

on Talking Dead will be...

pisses me off if he goes out like this - great character in the graphic novels, but a big wimp on the show.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. They are taking an awful long time to put him down.

Maybe he will have an amputation by catana and will wake up and become a different man?

[Brigid]

29. And this is Richmond

by jerome moore

JM

I wander through a land of great impressions 
dreaming of Richmond, flag limp against black horizon, 
bleakly marching through the falling city, scraps thrown to wolves 
that dance around cinders in snow. 
And this is Richmond says a melancholy voice 
...And this is Richmond.

By Jerome Moore

[Baitball Blogger]

30. Damn. The Black actor quota curse strikes again.

[Brigid]

33. Not Tyreese!

[Baitball Blogger]

35. What do you suppose Tyrese saw in those pictures?

[NewJeffCT]

36. and, what's with the British voice

on the radio

[Rhythm]

73. It was a faux BBC program -- but Andrew Lincoln's voice

According to the banter on 'Talking Dead', Lincoln did the radio voiceover to mimic what Tyreese had been talking about... about their father not turning off the bad news when it came on.

A lot of people forget that Andy Lincoln is an English actor...

[NewJeffCT]

79. Lot of English actors on the show

Andy Lincoln - Laurie Cohen - Lennie James - David Morrissey.

[NewJeffCT]

37. twice bitten now

poor Tyreese.

The place didn't look that big where they would need this long to find somebody to help?

[Baitball Blogger]

40. But on the same arm.

there's still hope.

[NewJeffCT]

43. I hope so

but, we haven't seen two "major" cast members die in consecutive episodes like this in a row - Beth and now (maybe) Tyreese. Maybe since Dale and then Shane in Season 2, though Beth & Tyreese are as "major" as those two

[Joe Shlabotnik]

41. Well, that was intense.

Tyreese was visited by everyone except Jack.

[IMG][/IMG]

[NewJeffCT]

42. Must have cost AMC a few bucks

to get all those cameos in - Bob, The Governor, Lizzie, Mika...

[NewJeffCT]

44. and now a Beth cameo

singing, of course

[Joe Shlabotnik]

48. Well, at least we got to see Beth again.

[Laffy Kat]

68. I was totally flashing back to "An American Werewolf In London".

This episode's writing and directing was, ah, different.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

74. If Bob had ate some of tyreese's rations,

and then commented on how cute Sasha was, then yes... totally AWWIL.

[NewJeffCT]

45. quite a scene here with Tyreese

hallucinating all those people

[NewJeffCT]

46. wow!

Michonne chopped his arm off!

Was it in time? Can the "good guy" survive?

[Chiyo-chichi]

49. Knew that was coming.

When he got bit, I thought "Michonne can take that arm off with one clean hit of the katana."

[NewJeffCT]

51. I figured she would try

I really hope he lasts a bit longer than tonight.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

53. For a minute, I thought

Ty might delusionally lunge at the Governor, only to be shot in the head by Rick walking into the room. Then we'd never know.

[Brigid]

50. Michonne and her katana to the rescue.

[NewJeffCT]

52. Fingers crossed

for Tyreese.

[Baitball Blogger]

54. He so has to live after putting us through all that.

[NewJeffCT]

55. doesn't look like it

RIP Tyreese. Damn - Father Gabriel's speech was for Tyreese, not Beth.

Poor Sasha - losing Bob and now Tyreese.

[Baitball Blogger]

58. Geez. Can't we have just one black man on this show that has some staying power?

Father Gabriel is next.

[Liberal Veteran]

62. Fuck Gabriel. They should have handed him over to Dawn in exchange for Noah. -nt

[Baitball Blogger]

64. It's a given that he's going to be gone soon.

If Tyrese was written out because he is perceived as weak, then why wouldn't Father Gabriel?

[Joe Shlabotnik]

67. They keep useless and unlikable characters around all the time.

cough cough Lori cough, ahem

[Brigid]

69. Um, Lori has been gone for what, three seasons now?

Time to move on. I'd pretty much forgotten about her myself.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

71. She was the first person I thought of,

when Rick momentarily forgot how to drive.

[Baitball Blogger]

70. i was okay with Lori.

Again, I think there is a writer's issue.

[NewJeffCT]

91. Lori died early in season 3

if I recall, and the first two seasons combined were only a bit longer than seasons 3, 4 or 5. So, episode-wise, she was around less time than Sasha, Tyreese, and even Tara. (not counting Phantom Lori that came back to haunt Rick for a few episodes...)

[Chiyo-chichi]

56. Oh, man! I felt the same.

[Brigid]

57. So it happened.

RIP, Tyreese.

[NewJeffCT]

59. that was disappointing

As I said above - loved his character in the comics, disliked the big wimp he was on TV. Comic readers felt about Tyreese like how TV watchers feel about Daryl in terms of bad-assness.

[Baitball Blogger]

60. That's the writer's fault.

Not liking the direction it's taking. It's getting formulaic.

[Liberal Veteran]

61. That's gonna leave a mark.

Knew some bad shit was gonna go down when Lizzie, Mika, Gov, Bob, Beth, and Martin showed up for a visit.

Surprised Karen didn't make an appearance.

That was a depressing episode.

[NewJeffCT]

63. yes, it was

I was hoping they'd turn it around for Tyreese and turn him into a good character, but they never quite made it

[Joe Shlabotnik]

66. I didn't mind his character,

I just thought he was a complicated and conflicted soul, but I never read the novels, so...

In hindsight the writing was on the wall for his character ever since the liberation of Terminus when he had that conversation with gum-chewing-baseball-hat-guy.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

65. I'm going to have to watch it again tommorow,

when I have more time, but my first impression is that despite the unfortunate loss of Tyreese, that may have been one of the better episodes (IMO) that I've seen.

[Solly Mack]

72. Well...damn.

RIP, Big Guy.

Kinda figured his days were numbered though. Well, that it would go either way- and sooner rather than later. Either he would shake off his doubts or he would die.

[NewJeffCT]

80. I was hoping

that one of the "nice" people could survive for at least a little while longer.

[pinboy3niner]

75. An exuberant fan posted about WD in GD Saturday night

I tried to steer him straight (to the Lounge WD threads, of course), but it appears he didn't make it here. Oh, well. He didn't appreciate my humor anyway.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6195954

[Baitball Blogger]

84. I guess the Lounge wasn't good enough for him.

It happens. People use GD for one stop shopping. Happy that someone set him right, however.

[NewJeffCT]

94. would love to have another poster join us

the more the merrier.

[DebJ]

99. Dead thread. Living dead thread. snicker. n/t

[pinboy3niner]

76. Screw Saul!

Some of us are not interested in that new show, and its debut timing means we have to WAIT AN EXTRA HOUR for the repeat of WD. IS NOTHING SACRED?

Imagine me imagining Saul walking into a horde of Walkers...

[Baitball Blogger]

85. Saul will become a research source.

Lawyers can be really despicable creatures. We're a long way from Perry Mason and Matlock.

[GOLGO 13]

77. The actor playing Tyreese got signed to another series so superfans caught on that he's getting

killed off in WD. Besides Tyreese got killed off in the WD books. So no harm, no foul really.

[NewJeffCT]

78. Tyreese was a lot different in the comics

than he was on the show. He was Rick's right-hand man in the comics and a bad-ass zombie killer. On the show, that place was taken by Daryl.

Plus, in the comics, he was the one that got his head chopped off by the Governor, not Hershel.

[Baitball Blogger]

86. This explains his uplifting mood last night on talking dead.

"On November 20, 2014, he was announced to play Fred Johnson, a former Marine caught in a power struggle between Earth and Mars on the new Syfy science-fiction drama, The Expanse. He would take on a main role in the 2015 series"

[NewJeffCT]

81. I recorded Talking Dead last night

it was too late for me to watch live... to me, it seemed pretty obvious that Noah's little gated community was not overrun by walkers, but by humans. Walkers would not have chopped up the bodies like that, nor set fire to everything.

Was anything said about that?

[Baitball Blogger]

83. Just that it was an issue that would be come up in coming episodes.

I think the point is that the writers have decided that there is more excitement in the shows where the characters are moving rather than settled down in one place. I have a bad feeling that Z-Nation may be affecting their judgment. Truth is, Walking Dead worked because we were committed to the characters. Z-Nation is just a game of Grand Theft Auto. We don't care who dies, just make it spectacular. While Walking Dead is a story where the suspense increases BECAUSE every decision matters.

[NewJeffCT]

88. good point

On them being settled down vs on the move.

I'm not sure about Z-Nation affecting them all that much, though. Agreed that nobody really cared about the characters on Z-Nation all that much.

[Lex]

92. Good point. I'm close to stopping watching the show.

Just don't feel very invested in the characters anymore or what happens to them. Some mildly good stuff has to happen soon, or at least something that feels like a more complex story-line than just dying and killing.

[dr.strangelove]

95. I doubt anyone cares about Z-nation

Z-nation got below average ratings, which was okay for SciFi to order a second season, but no one shoudl be trying to model it. It averaged a .5 rating in the 18-49 demographic with 1.42 million total viewers. the first part of Season Five last fall averaged a 7.2 in the 18-49 and was grabbing 16 million viewers (more for the premier and finale).

I think the writers are telling a story which will involve some movement and some stationary points. Every time they reached a stationary point, it ended badly, so there is clearly something in the mind of the characters about whether its worth it to stay still or to keep moving. the prison fall was just about 4 weeks ago for them. Its not like they have been wandering for 12 months like viewers wait each season. Most fan timelines have the prison fall at about day 503 or 504 post virus and last night's show was about day 531, so its less than a month since they left the prison. They may still be feeling antsy about fidning another home, as Rick and Michone discussed last night.

Last night was a gift to fans of the show. You learned a great deal about a character before he died. You learned what was in his head. I ranked it as one of my favorites. I hope we get a lot more like that. I do not want deaths made extraordinary. In that world, people just get bit when their back is turned to look at pictures.

[Baitball Blogger]

96. You would think that by now they would all know to be

extra cautious until a house is de-zombified.

It was a gimmick to have Tyresse distracted by a photograph, as if it never occurred to him that Noah could have a brother. He was looking so intensely at the photograph that I thought it was a long lost son.

[NewJeffCT]

97. yeah, they seemed kind of careless

not having the area completely cleared.

[dr.strangelove]

98. I thought he misunderstood Noah

Noah talked about twin brothers and I thought he assumed Noah had a twin brother. Noah was taking care of his mom in the living room while T found his twin brother. I think once he saw the picture of both twin brothers with Noah behind them, that he realized his error, just a second too late though.

Clearly Tyresse was distracted by the peace that was in the old world. He had a much harder time letting go of the old world and joining this world. Its sad, but appropriate that his flaw in letting go lead to his death.

[DebJ]

101. I wish they would let the characters stay in one place for awhile and then show

more of the characters more often. It seems only a very small number are actually there in any one episode.
Last season was so stretched out this way I wasn't even remembering who they weren't showing any more.
Makes me feel too disconnected from the characters to have them absent so long (and a 1 minute walkie-talkie
conversation or a cameo doesn't count).

On edit: Also, when they are on the move, there is too much fighting imminent dangers as well as too much
abandonment of character development and interaction. That makes the show seem like a video game, blech.

[Sedona]

82. WTF with five minute commercials breaks every five friggin' minutes?

I bet there was less than 35-40 of WD content on this episode.

[Iggo]

87. We record it and then start watching about a half hour after it starts.

Which makes it even easier to notice the extra commercial time in the middle. But at least we don't have to sit through it, and we're finished at roughly the same time as everybody else. Just gotta stay off the internet.

[Lex]

93. That's the way I do it too.

Seems like with the commercials sped through, the show is about 30 minutes long!

[NewJeffCT]

100. Emily Kinney lands a new role

good for her.

http://comicbook.com/2015/02/09/emily-kinney-confirmed-as-the-bug-eyed-bandit-on-the-flash/