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Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:30 PM Jan 2015

How fast have you double-clutched into low gear?

This post won't make sense unless you have driven an old stick shift. Low gear, unlike second gear and high gear, was not synchromesh. That meant that unless you wanted to strip your gears, you needed to get the RPMs just right before shifting down to low gear while moving.

The procedure is as follows. You press down on the clutch pedal, put the transmission in neutral, let up on the clutch, rev up the motor, press down again, shift into low, then let up on the clutch again. The higher your speed, the higher the RPMs needed for this maneuver. If you miscalculate, there goes your transmission.

As a smartass high schooler, I used to pride myself on my ability to double-clutch without making that horrible grinding sound. I once did this at 36 MPH, which in a 6 cylinder Ford required very high RPMs indeed. Not having a tachometer, I judged the RPMs by the sound of the motor.

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How fast have you double-clutched into low gear? (Original Post) Lionel Mandrake Jan 2015 OP
My little gang of friends could drive without a clutch. 69 Firebird, for example. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #1
Most commercial vehicles have transmissions like that Tobin S. Jan 2015 #2
Indeed. 2naSalit Jan 2015 #6
We called a transmission with a non-sychromesh first.... catnhatnh Jan 2015 #3
if you were really good olddots Jan 2015 #4
The art is getting the engine to turn at the same speed as the wheels, GGJohn Jan 2015 #5
My first car was an old MGA aint_no_life_nowhere Jan 2015 #7
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. My little gang of friends could drive without a clutch. 69 Firebird, for example.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jan 2015

I guess everyone who tries can shift though the gears, up or down, without a clutch by getting the revs just right, but my friend Brian could pop his Firebird into first from a dead stop on occasion without killing the engine, and then shift through the rest from there, always impressive.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
2. Most commercial vehicles have transmissions like that
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jan 2015

Actually, you are supposed to double clutch for every gear shift up and down in semis. Ten speeds are pretty common. However, most drivers learn how to float shift through the gears in the early going, only needing the clutch for starting and stopping. It's not the proper way to shift gears, but it's a lot easier once you learn how to do it well.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
6. Indeed.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:48 PM
Jan 2015

I had the benefit of manual transmissions back in the day. My favorite was a 4x4 with 300rpm on the aux stick and 600rpm on the main, things could interesting on occasion but I was able manipulate the two rpm "sets" by sometimes grabbing a 900rpm change while using both sticks simultaneously (you literally have to reach through the steering wheel to do this, you could get a good rap on the knuckles if you miss!) and a jake brake was helpful in achieving the shift quickly. I kind of miss that part every once in a while...

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
3. We called a transmission with a non-sychromesh first....
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:22 PM
Jan 2015

...a crashbox for the noise made if you shifted poorly. They were common in English sports cars in the late '50's and early '60's. Never checked how fast my best was...

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
5. The art is getting the engine to turn at the same speed as the wheels,
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jan 2015

when you can master that, shifting without a clutch is easy peasy.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
7. My first car was an old MGA
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:57 PM
Jan 2015

It was a '61 that I got in '66 while in high school and it cost me $600, or every penny I had. First gear wasn't synchroed and so i had to double clutch if shifting down. I never drove it that hard and wasn't going very fast when i shifted down into first gear.

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