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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsHave you ever been summoned for jury duty but gotten out of it? For a legitimate reason?
Or did you simply not want to serve, as I often hear is the case from friends, coworkers, etc.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)for a civil case that lasted about a week if I recall. Circumstances have changed where my employer no longer pays me it I serve. And it can take almost a full day of time off from work to even find out if you're chosen. My employer frowns on taking time off and quite frankly, I can barely spare the time.
My budget could not withstand a week or two without pay, and what the court pays is very small amount.
I'll be happy to serve down the road when it doesn't negatively impact my job and finances. I've heard it is time-consuming and they are very stringent when you try to get out of serving. So what do I do when I get a summons? Trash it. Not my proudest solution but I have no choice at this time in my life and my fragile career. If they come and get me, I'll be no worse off than losing my job.
I'll do my civic duty when my employer pays me my regular salary and doesn't resent my service. Or when I retire.
My friend attended the interview armed with medical records showing he is medicated and under supervision for mental issues. They let him off immediately and intimated that he won't ever be summoned again.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)MiddleFingerMom
(25,163 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)I told them my grandmother was dying and she did the same day.
We knew it was coming, 93+ and in declining health. But, I have not gotten out of it, as in not called to serve. The case they did call me for after the delay was a civil case and I wasn't picked so I was done with it until whenever they call me again. 11 years and counting.
Now my youngest brother has been called at least twice. IIRC... one time he was in the middle of Australia and the oteh time sailing around the Indian Ocean off of either Iraq or Afghanistan. Join the Navy and see the world. I believe my mom sent the paper work back with that explanation.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)the guy settled on a plea bargain the day the case was supposed to start
Rhiannon12866
(205,405 posts)I was very unwell back in the '90s and my doctor wrote a letter for me. I believe it happened twice. Since then, I've only been called once, but I didn't get picked for the jury, so I only had to report for the first day.
My mother was called once when she was out of the country, and I was responsible for her mail. She was in Australia and there was no way for me to even reach her. I called the Commissioner of Jurors, who happens to know my mother, and explained the situation. She was very nice, said that she'd save "something special" for my mother in the future, and she did. My mother was not only called to serve on a Grand Jury, but she was foreman(person?).
surrealAmerican
(11,361 posts)I was summoned in New York after I had moved to Chicago.
Other times I've gone, but not been chosen for a jury.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)My mother was invalided and living with me. I couldn't leave her alone all day. The judge accepted my reason. If I'm called again and my situation allows, I'll be happy to serve.
Auggie
(31,171 posts)the other time I had a vacation scheduled. But I've also served twice too -- both civil trials.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I have panic disorder, depression, general anxiety, seasonal affective disorder, and agoraphobia.
I also have irritable bowel and irritable bladder.
My therapist writes a letter which I forward to the commissioner with my summons card.
If there's anything a defendant wouldn't want, it's a juror who cares more about not pissing or shitting herself, or having a full blown panic attack, than about his case.
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)And I want to serve on a petit jury too! The one time I did get past voir dire was for a grand jury, which was very enlightening & I encourage everyone to try to get on a panel.
In fact, it was a voir dire for a capital murder jury panel that got me thinking "hey, this law stuff is pretty interesting!" Also changed my mind about the death penalty too & I've advocated against it ever since.
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)I was called for the GJ when I worked for the City. My duties brought me in contact with the county Sheriff, Chief of Police , Fire Chief, Prosecutor, and a few judges.
So I report at the appointed time and place (upstairs from my office) and the judge comes in. "All Rise", we all get up. "Good Morning, and thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. Oh, Jawn! so they called you? Well, you'll be excused, but sit back and watch how this works..."
So glad. Hell, I can't even pick a winner when it comes to wives, what makes me qualified to judge the matter of somebody's freedom or life?
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)I have been summoned multiple times. Sometimes I served, sometimes I was rejected. The last time I served was at traffic court. One case. The whole thing took an hour. The time before that, I got picked, and came back the next day to find out that the guy settled out of court. When they were picking the juries for that and other cases, there was girl in the pool that kept getting rejected. She was around twenty, and she came in jeans with rhinestones on them. She also had this really spaced-out look on her face the whole time. It was kind of a cross between an airhead and stoner. If you are hell-bent on getting out of jury duty, you might want to assume that look. But, I don't really want to encourage that. Jury duty can actually be really interesting. The only time I wouldn't want to do it is if I were to be sequestered for some big murder or other infamous trial.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)I got out of jury duty several times, because I covered police news in the county I lived in.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)The estimate that the jury time would last for up to three months. My horse boarding business had just expanded with a new barn and we had a three show circuit scheduled. The first show was scheduled the weekend after the jury was supposed to start sitting and then one show a month.
My husband had never run a show and I was the only other person running the farm - we had no paid employees. I was building a set of jumps for the show and for our farm and still had to get them assembled and painted. Just showing up in court to tell the judge all of this put me behind schedule and some of the paint on the jumps wasn't dry on show day!
Even if we hadn't had the shows scheduled, I wouldn't have wanted to leave my husband in charge of the farm for that amount of time. While he's pretty good at following directions, he never bothered to learn all I know about how to take care of horses and the day to day operation of the farm.
I got excused from that jury then got called again for federal jury duty the week before the third show in that same circuit. It was the same judge, so it was much easier to explain and get excused.
I haven't been called for federal jury duty since though I got called for a local jury in 2008. I got picked, showed up for jury duty, sat for two hours only to be told the defendant had plead out.
Iggo
(47,554 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)Oh.. wait...
nevermind
fladem2006
(17 posts)First time was not allowed to served because the Assistant State Attorney and I had dated. Second time because the presiding judge (Bob Wattles) had been my personal attorney when he was in private practice.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)all get a pass.
He was my attorney at one time, and is now a very popular and respected judge, but every time one of us get called for the pool, we have to visit his chambers to tell him so we won't waste the court's time.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)It was a robbery case, and I told the truth when asked...pretty much I believe police will lie--not all of course, but I have trust issues with them.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I was not crazy about doing them, but I felt that it was my civic duty. To try and get out of it would be shirking my responsibilities. If I had a legitimate reason, I would use it if it had gotten in the way.
Plus, it gives a good insight in our judicial system. This is an opportunity that everyone should be a part of at least once in their lives.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I received a jury summons last year. And it said that if you are over 70 years old, you do not have to serve. As I was already 72, all I had to do was send in a notarized statement. Fortunately, my neighbor is a notary, so that was no problem. I have tried to get out of jury duty in the past, but now I had a legitimate reason.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)I was due to go out of town on business the week I was summoned in August, so I called them and said "this trip has already been scheduled, and cancellation will cost the company a lot of money, but I will clear the 2nd week in September" and damn if I didn't get a summons for the 2nd week in September (got enpaneled, but the defendant folded as soon as he saw the jury so I was out before lunch).
Another time I was starting a new job that week and they wouldn't let me out, but I gave up arguing because I had the three magic words that would get me off the capital-case jury. Would I have any problem with the death penalty? "I'm a Quaker". "Ms. Patiod, you are dimissed." Helps to be in William Penn's land, where prosecutors know they don't want Quakers on death penalty cases (or OWS cases, for that matter).
Most recently, it was a DU jury; I served, and was also out before lunch...
Rob H.
(5,351 posts)They asked him if he knew and/or was friends with any police officers, and he answered "yes" (he worked for the city of Memphis in the courthouse and jail downtown for four years so he knew a LOT of cops), whereupon the court politely thanked him for his time and sent him home.
I've served on a jury three times: municipal, federal, and a grand jury. I hated having to do it at first, but I have to admit it was interesting.
abbeyco
(1,555 posts)for getting out of it kept me in the pool and got me on the jury.
I thought being the victim of a violent crime would qualify me to get out but that wasn't the case at all. Actually it was a very interesting 3 day trial and didn't cause me a bit of pain - and it was a nice break from work.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)Legit reason. Three years in a row they called me up. They called me for the week of midterms of my sophomore year, midterms for my junior year, and midterms of my senior year. Second term, each year, same week. If they had chosen any week other than midterms or finals week, I would have gone.
Ive never been called since. I was ready the next year, after I was all gradumitated. I had the date set aside, I had let everyone know I would be busy that week. And nada. I would love to be called now. If I could volunteer, I would. But they do not provide that option.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and the prosecution did not want me on the jury
pitohui
(20,564 posts)when jury service can cost someone a week's self-employment income and probably more than just that lost week, because a free lance customer lost never comes back, it is beyond hardship
if you have a legit reason it's a hardship speak up -- most people who don't want to serve, it isn't just being an ass, they can't fucking afford to serve -- i wasn't proud, i sent the judges in question copies of my schedule c so that they could see i was low income and really didn't need to lose a week of work
i've heard of people being stuck on federal juries for months, which is just stealing people's lives...
Legitimate reason: Autistic with brain damage.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)I WANTED to serve, but the first time, I was a nursing mother so that wouldn't work. The second time I was the parent to a newborn foster child (now my adopted son!), so that didn't work.
This most recent time was a Federal jury and I really wanted on that jury, but they picked the pool before they got to me.
They would have probably disqualified me anyway - based on my relationship with a prison guard (ex husband) - but that would have been the exact reason I should have stayed. I knew what those guards are really like!
DFW
(54,387 posts)I usually don't even get the summons until after the date has passed.
MiddleFingerMom
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I was working a job where I was making about $8/hour -- so I was living pretty much paycheck-to-paycheck.
My company didn't pay me for jury duty and I forget what jury pay was, but it was significantly lower than
what I was making -- enough so that it was going to (and did) cause some difficulties.
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I was torn on serving (I served my country for 6 years in the Army). Part of me didn't WANT to go through
even more "inconvenience"... yet part of me was FASCINATED and undeniably curious about the process and
experience. I went -- hoping about 60/40 that I'd get accepted (I think most cases at the time were boring and
fairly cut-and-dried DUI cases).
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I "lucked out" (I guess). Got accepted for a 1st degree murder trial. Focused on each-and-every-word spoken
during what turned out to be a two-week trial. The accused was a young woman who had shot her boyfriend
and almost got away with it entirely -- she disappeared and it was quite awhile before a weird and lucky break
pointed the police in her direction. The murdered person was a young man -- it gained some notoriety as
Tucson's "yoga guru murder".
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I ended up like Henry Fonda in "12 Angry Men" -- except I was the ONLY one voting for "guilty of 1st-degree
murder" on the first vote. I argued a lot and, as one of the very few on the jury with any weapons experience,
realized that the majority of the jurors hadn't a clue as to how the prosecutor had masterfully demonstrated
how the gun's discharge could NOT have been accidental (while we were deliberating, I petitioned the judge to
allow her to RE-present that demonstration -- he granted it and it reversed the opinions of 4 of the other jurors).
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We ended up with a hung jury. We were doomed from the start -- one of the jurors was an old racist homophobe
who ended up calling the Mexican victim -- the shooter was Caucasian -- a "gay-ro" instead of a guru. When we
started talking about telling the judge, he changed his vote from the ONLY "not guilty" to the only "manslaughter"
verdict. I think it was 7 or 8 for 1st-degree, 3 or 4 for 2nd-degree, and 1 for manslaughter. It had to be unanimous
if we were going to convict of 1st-degree murder.
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We found out later, to our extreme dismay, that we could have gotten him booted off the moment he started
exhibiting racist and/or homophobic tendencies.
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After the trial, I bolted from the jury room and found the victim's parents (they had spent the entire trial stoicly
in the courtroom). I hugged them and apologized and we all cried. I felt horrible.
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The fucking press spotted us and pounced on us like vultures. Fuck "bleeds" -- "if it GRIEVES, it sells".
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The accused was eventually re-tried and convicted of second-degree murder.
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The attorneys were petitioning the judge for about two days out-of-hearing of the jury. One of the "mitigating
factors" (in some jurors' minds) was the fact that the accused had had her handgun and carry permit for five
years, yet had NEVER even threatened anyone with it.
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The petitioning was due to the fact that, DURING the trial, the prosecution found out that, within the previous
year, the accused's husband had called the police for a domestic disturbance and, on the 911 tape, you could
hear her screaming in the background that she was going to shoot -- to KILL his lousy ass.
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The judge DENIED allowing us access to that knowledge -- saying it would "prejudice the case".
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Well, fucking-A DUH!!!!!
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I'll go if called again, though karma (at least "karma lite" almost dictates that I'd be sent home -- and I don't
think EITHER side want any jurors with previous experience in a murder trial.
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I really don't understand the almost-universal desire to "get out" of jury duty. It's not like having to chaperone
a highschool dance.
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emilyg
(22,742 posts)RushIsRot
(4,016 posts)eShirl
(18,492 posts)saras
(6,670 posts)I suspect the latter two, or related values, are indirectly responsible for the first, but I don't understand the mechanism. I've been a registered voter my whole adult life, with all moves local and well documented.