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Any paralegals here on DU? (Original Post) Brigid Mar 2012 OP
Yes. Hello. Denninmi Mar 2012 #1
Hi, Denninmi. Brigid Mar 2012 #3
OK, I'll share my somewhat limited insights with you. Denninmi Mar 2012 #5
At least one, namely, WilmywoodNCParalegal KamaAina Mar 2012 #2
I'm a retired corporate paralegal HeiressofBickworth Mar 2012 #4

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
1. Yes. Hello.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 08:15 PM
Mar 2012

I've been a paralegal for about 4 years now. I work for an attorney who specializes in estate/probate and tax law.

What would you like to know?

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
3. Hi, Denninmi.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 09:47 PM
Mar 2012

What are lawyers like to work for, generally speaking? What do they expect of their paralegals? What do you do during a typical day? What do you like about your work? Dislike?

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
5. OK, I'll share my somewhat limited insights with you.
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 05:37 AM
Mar 2012

The attorney that I work for is a super nice guy, so I don't have any problems there. There are two other law firms on our floor of the large office building we're in, and each of them also has a paralegal, each of whom also seem very happy from what they've said to me. As stated below, it's going to be like any job, you'll find a range of people from the nice to the horrible.

What do I do -- well, it's mixed, because his practice is mixed. He is a CPA as well as an attorney, but doesn't do any actual accounting per se of the business type, i.e., he doesn't keep corporate books. We do some fiduciary accounting for estates, trusts, conservatorships, which is generally a pain because people often keep not very good records of how they've been spending money -- fiduciary accountings generally take a long time and cost the client a lot of money due to their own lax record keeping, and I get to play financial CSI, trying to figure out how they went from A to B to C. We do prepare tax returns of various types, 1040s, 1041s, 1120's, 990s, 1065s, 706s, some foreign account reporting returns, ec., for the clients who have had IRS issues, so Feb into April and again in October I do a lot of data input on tax returns, which is actually one of the things I like doing most, it's often time consuming but not hard, and other than a few strange situations or glitches, the software does all of the real work. Then, we deal with the IRS a lot, which is also not difficult once you learn the quirks of jumping through their hoops, IF you can get the clients to work with you. Most people facing IRS problems just want to resolve them and move past, but you get a few with a martyr/persecution complex that want to compound their problems by tilting against the windmills, most of which are self-created.

Then there is probate -- also not difficult overall once you learn the system, but there tend to be weird quirks because individual courts and judges interpret statute and court rules different ways, and what pleases one sometimes displeases others, so there are times when you are left standing there saying "huh???" And, it is a little sad at times, because most probate matters involve death or illness, and the situations and emotions can be sad and stress often brings out the worst in families, so it can get tense at times.

One of my biggest cases of the past 4 years was tending to the financial and medical affairs of a mentally ill disabled man who retained my boss because he had absolutely no family to help him, doing routine things like paying his bills and coordinating doctors appointments and in-home care and medical transportation, and he died suddenly last year, which was a blessing for him in many ways, because he was on a bad downward spiral that no one could seem to stop, but I would by lying if I didn't say it was more than a little sad since I had gotten to know him fairly well in about 2 1/2 years of dealing directly with him, and I saw him quite often because he lived only about 2 miles from the office so I would often just go over there to deal with things for him.

Drafting up estate plans is the last major category that I work on. This is mostly done via software -- input the data, and it spits out the documents. Some customization and modification is sometimes needed. Overall, its pretty easy.

I worked in an entirely different, totally unrelated field for about 20 years, but that basically dried up due to the economy here. I had a B.S. in my first field from one university, later went back and got a B.A. in political science with the possible intent of applying to law school but never did that, and then finally went through the one year paralegal program at a local university to get my certification. None of the classes was particular difficult except that ALL were held at night, so it was kind of tiring and I was basically doing 4 nights a week, every week, for a year with just a few weeks breaks between terms. I was also lucky in terms of job placement that it was really easy -- the final requirement of the paralegal program was an 80 hour internship, and after I did that, I was offered the job where I've been for almost 4 years.

And no, I'm definitely NOT getting rich. The attorney I work for can't afford to pay me all that much, its about comparable to what I made in the other field, which wasn't great. It's enough to get by, and it works for me because I have the freedom to tend to my own family matters as need be, which right now is more important to me due to circumstances. I could probably easily double what I make now after 4 years of experience if I wanted to go out and look for something, but it's just not in the cards right now.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
4. I'm a retired corporate paralegal
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 12:05 AM
Mar 2012

I started work life as a legal secretary. I took a job that was supposed to be secretarial but as time went on, I took on more and more responsibilities and was then designated paralegal. I was doing divorces, adoptions and bankruptcies at that time. After that I went to work for an attorney who practiced mostly corporate and business law. I stayed in that field for many years, finally retiring in 2009 from the legal department of an engineering company.

Paralegals specialize in one or two areas of law. I loved the corporate and business side, but I would caution you, that's not where the jobs are. I was membership chair for our state paralegal association years ago and at that time, there were only 52 corporate paralegals in the entire state while there were hundreds of paralegals in other specialties. Probate/estate planning jobs are also scarce. Most of the work is in litigation. Litigation can be broken down into a variety of sub-specialties. For example, I once knew a paralegal at the firm representing an airplane manufacturer -- her specialty was fixed-wing aircraft litigation. Medical malpractice is another branch -- some I've known also had nursing degrees.

I was a paralegal instructor at the local university for five years. I taught winter quarters. What I liked about this program was that two attorneys taught theory and I taught practice. I've seen too often people getting out of paralegal studies, chock full of theory but no knowledge of how to sit down at a desk and perform the job. So, chose your program carefully.

Money: paralegals can make pretty good money, depending on who you work for and who/what their clients are. It was my experience that I made more money working for a company (engineering) than I did working for a law firm.

I don't know what the current market is, given the level of unemployment right now. In other times of high unemployment I saw that paralegals were competing with just graduated attorneys for the same jobs. Law firms liked that they could get attorneys for the same price they could get paralegals.

Most states have specific statutes on what constitutes the "practice of law". As a paralegal without a juris doctor degree, I did not qualify to practice law. I could meet with clients, find out what they wanted/needed, and under the supervision of an attorney, implement those actions. I could not, however, offer any advice on whether or not a client could or should take any particular action. Some states have provisions for LPO (Limited Practice Office) which generally is a real estate closing agent.

When I was in 9th grade, we had to do a report on what we wanted to be when we grew up. I always wanted to be a lawyer but it didn't work out for me to go to law school. Working as a paralegal was great for me -- I loved working in the field of law in any capacity.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. If you have any other questions, I'll do my best to answer. I know there are other paralegals here who are currently working and may be able to give you better information on the current market.

P.S. As far as how attorneys are to work for -- some are pretty good, some are total jerks, just like the rest of the world. And you never now until you've worked with them which side of that coin they are on. I've only worked for a couple of stinkers in my life, the rest were not only pretty nice people to work for but attorneys worthy of respect.

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