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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:43 AM Sep 2014

If you are a Led Zep fan, this list was designed to tick you off

Spin: All 87 Led Zeppelin Songs, Ranked


26. "Carouselambra" (In Through the Out Door, 1979)
Certainly not among the fondest-remembered songs in Zeppelin's body of work, the ten-plus-minute "Carouselambra" is nevertheless one of their most fascinating, half-prog and half-disco, with a zooming guitar line, a juggernaut of a synth hook (which unexpectedly goes all Kraftwerk about halfway in), and one of Plant's all-time most-enigmatic lyrics (Opening lines: "Sisters of the way-side bide their time in quiet peace / Await their place within the ring of calm&quot . It shouldn't work, and many likely would argue it doesn't, but the playing is never less than air-tight, the groove is considerable, the melodic ideas are plentiful and unpredictable, and the sheer musical ambition is jaw-dropping.


26th???


63. "Gallows Pole" (Led Zeppelin III, 1970)
A traditional folk cover (super-original title: "The Maid Freed From the Gallows&quot that a suddenly mandolin-infatuated Zeppelin made their own on the acoustic side of LZIII. A little close to Jethro Tull for comfort at some moments, but an important transition track nonetheless.


Carouselambra > Gallows Pole?

86. "Candy Store Rock" (Presence, 1976)
A hookless, aimless, funk-less tribute to Bo Diddley and '50s rock that was somehow released as a single A-side, demonstrating just how out of touch the band was in 1976.


Ranking this 86th out of 87 shows just how out of touch the writers at Spin are in 2014.


5. "Fool in the Rain" (In Through the Out Door, 1979)
A large portion of the Zep-listening population would likely bristle at the inclusion of the band's final Top 40 hit in their all-time top five, and it's not hard to see why. Conceptually, the song sounds disastrous: a pop song closer that's just as much "Bennie and the Jets" as "Whole Lotta Love," which drops out with a hissing disco whistle for an extended samba breakdown? Luckily, Led Zeppelin were really good goddamn songwriters, and "Fool" is as tight and catchy and clever as any other late-'70s crossover, with one of Plant's finest story lyrics — a mopey tale of getting stuck in the rain waiting for a date, with the perfect last-line resolution — and an out-of-nowhere Page solo that shreds about as much as anything he did on the band's first few albums. Ignore the haters: "Fool" is classic Zep, and shows that the band was still capable of excelling in new and interesting modes, right up until their untimely breakup the following year.


Nice song and all, but 5th?????
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If you are a Led Zep fan, this list was designed to tick you off (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 OP
Oh, I thought it was the list of all the songs they stole and the songwriters they screwed CBGLuthier Sep 2014 #1
I'm pretty sure Led Zeppelin has them beat in album sales shenmue Sep 2014 #4
Only the Fab Four hifiguy Sep 2014 #5
I was glad to see Heartbreaker up there. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #2
Led Zeppelin 2 was the first real rock n roll album I had Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #3
The cluelessness of that writer hifiguy Sep 2014 #6
Very cockeyed and erratic set of criteria he uses in rating these Populist_Prole Sep 2014 #7
Much of the pop music/culture press keeps changing their mind on Zep Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #8
I guess I'm not a very faithful type of fan Populist_Prole Sep 2014 #9
That's Bob Dylan's thing now: seeling high-priced tickets because of his name. arcane1 Oct 2014 #31
I love "Fool In The Rain" MrScorpio Sep 2014 #10
Me, too. GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #12
"Stairway to Heaven" is not one of my favorites either MrScorpio Sep 2014 #13
Same here pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #17
Zep is being sued by the bass player from Spirit panader0 Oct 2014 #22
The genius of Jimmy Buffett is that he always sounds damn glad to sing "Margaritaville" Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #14
Nope. He hates it. GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #16
It's actually one of the few songs of theirs that I actually like. arcane1 Oct 2014 #30
I could care less about the rankings or the writers opinion FrodosPet Sep 2014 #11
"...one of Plant's more irritating vocals" INDEED. This is my LEAST favorite Led Zep song...TRASH. Miles Archer Sep 2014 #15
Dude is full of shit re. Presence, but otherwise not a downright terrible ranking hatrack Oct 2014 #18
On the plus side I read a rumor today OriginalGeek Oct 2014 #19
I wonder if he'll tour with JPJ? Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #23
I wish he would but OriginalGeek Oct 2014 #32
I just saw JPJ last week touring with Dave Rawlings Machine (playing mandolin) cemaphonic Oct 2014 #33
well, that was a fun read fishwax Oct 2014 #20
Fool in the Rain...that's my adolescence calling... mackerel Oct 2014 #21
"When the Levee Breaks" is clearly my favorite. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2014 #24
Yeah, it's an amazing song. cemaphonic Oct 2014 #28
Didn't piss me off too much. I expect critics to be wankers. Throd Oct 2014 #25
Critics are idiots. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #26
Great read. Raffi Ella Oct 2014 #27
The most horrible and cruel review I have ever seen was in the Houston Chronicle. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #29
My top 10 Zep tracks MrScorpio Oct 2014 #34
You have good taste Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #35

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
1. Oh, I thought it was the list of all the songs they stole and the songwriters they screwed
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:28 AM
Sep 2014

out of royalties.

All i can say is Led Zip would be BLESSED if they were as good as Jethro Tull.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
4. I'm pretty sure Led Zeppelin has them beat in album sales
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:44 PM
Sep 2014


So, most people would not agree with you, no.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. Only the Fab Four
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:07 PM
Sep 2014

exceeded the Mighty Zep's album sales. And there have been many fewer Zep repackagings.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
2. I was glad to see Heartbreaker up there.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:04 AM
Sep 2014

Great riff, great solo, lyrics attributed to all four members, and it makes a great intro to Living Loving Maid (She's Just a Woman).

Bonham gets a only a brief moment to shine.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
7. Very cockeyed and erratic set of criteria he uses in rating these
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:25 PM
Sep 2014

Clueless, as others have noted, but with an air of pretentious "knowledge".

The larger question though, when reading critic's reviews, is this: Why would someone take advice from a source who didn't at all share their tastes? Most critics seem to have a dislike for hard rock anyway.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
8. Much of the pop music/culture press keeps changing their mind on Zep
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:18 PM
Sep 2014

Through '75, they were the darlings of magazines like "Rolling Stone". Then, Punk and what was then called "New Wave" and Disco became fixtures, and Zep was out-of-touch --- filling stadiums -- but out of touch. The beatdown of one of Bill Grahm's operatives in Oakland didn't help them. However, now, they are kind of grand-old-men of Rock & Roll.

If they could perform at the level of the Ahmet Ertegun O2 concert, I'm absolutely they could do a tour of America on which they could bank $1B (people would pay $200 + per ticket; in an intimate venue, $1000 or more would not be out of the question)-- but as nearly as I can tell, they don't want to do it. I think mostly Robert Plant doesn't want to do it.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
9. I guess I'm not a very faithful type of fan
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:35 PM
Sep 2014

That is, I wouldn't attent a concert of a touring classic old band just because of loyalty. I Like a band for their particular sound and like to remember them in better times. If they are not able to "deliver the good" live ( or even in studio ) then I'm not interested. I'm not that much of an evolver type when it comes to music: If a band's sound changes and i don't like that sound, then we part company.

As you say, it's getting quite expensive to attend a show, and I want it to be good. I've been burned several times already attending shows that were disappointing to me. The worst was seeing Metallica in '94 or '95. They had "evolved" into a neo-grunge band by then, and I couldn't believe how bad they sounded...even when they played their older good stuff.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
31. That's Bob Dylan's thing now: seeling high-priced tickets because of his name.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:33 PM
Oct 2014

A new artist with a voice as dreadful as his has become would never sell a single ticket

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
12. Me, too.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:30 PM
Sep 2014

It's one of my favorites, and I'd definitely rank it over "Stairway to Heaven," which I can't stand. I understand that Robert Plant hates it, too.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
14. The genius of Jimmy Buffett is that he always sounds damn glad to sing "Margaritaville"
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:03 PM
Sep 2014

I don't think plant hates it so much as he's just sick to death of it. Quite honestly, I think he'd like to talk about music he's been a part of other than Led Zeppelin.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
30. It's actually one of the few songs of theirs that I actually like.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:28 PM
Oct 2014

They have many songs that are good, but don't do anything for me. That's just the singles though, I never owned any of their albums.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
11. I could care less about the rankings or the writers opinion
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:29 PM
Sep 2014

But I love that the article has YouTube links to the songs (especially the obscure ones).

As to who is better, Jethro Tull or Led Zeppelin? Who cares! Both groups are Rock and Roll royalty, far above almost every other band before or since.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
15. "...one of Plant's more irritating vocals" INDEED. This is my LEAST favorite Led Zep song...TRASH.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:27 PM
Sep 2014
79. "South Bound Saurez" (In Through the Out Door, 1979)
More of ITtOD's self-conscious genre-hopping, this time a jaunty honky-tonk number with Elton John saloon-style piano and one of Plant's more irritating vocals. Someone should've spell-checked that title, too.


hatrack

(59,592 posts)
18. Dude is full of shit re. Presence, but otherwise not a downright terrible ranking
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:27 AM
Oct 2014

Glad to see 'Ten Years Gone' give the credit it deserves, though I'd probably put 'Levee' at #1.

Glad 'Stairway' didn't rank higher - great song, but I just can't hear it again - sorry.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
19. On the plus side I read a rumor today
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:15 AM
Oct 2014

that Jimmy is putting together a band to tour and do songs from all stages of his career.*

Presence is my favorite album and Tea For One and Achilles Last Stand fight for my favorite song (with strong competition from III's Since I've Been Loving You and and some some others) but I actually love every single Zep song.

I even like Coda.


*of course, I will actually believe it when I have tickets to a show in my hand.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
32. I wish he would but
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 04:41 PM
Oct 2014

JPJ is pretty busy on his own..at least he has been pretty busy recently..he produces and arranges and appears with other people all the time. Not sure if Them Crooked Vultures will do another album and tour but I hope so.

I saw JPJ on tour when his album Zooma came out and it was seriously one of the most incredible musical experiences I've ever had. Dude gots chops. I think he can play any instrument there is. Certainly most of the stringed ones. And keyed ones. And ones with both. That's him playing the recorder at the beginning of Stairway. SO add wind instruments to the list.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
33. I just saw JPJ last week touring with Dave Rawlings Machine (playing mandolin)
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 09:47 PM
Oct 2014

and they were incredible. I would much rather see him continue with that, and Plant do another album and/or tour with Alison Krauss than a half-hearted Zeppelin show.

Zooma was cool. When it came out, I was interested in a lot of the electronic signal processing that he used to put that album together.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
20. well, that was a fun read
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:31 AM
Oct 2014

Obviously the list is always going to be idiosyncratic, and so much of it is (from my perspective) askew, but there is some good stuff on here. Haven't listened to Over the Hills and Far Away in quite some time before today, but I've always thought of it as a quintessential Zep song, and I can't disagree with it being on top.

One of the things that makes ranking all of Zeppelin's songs difficult is the Overplay factor. I listened to it so much back in younger days that for a while I simply had a hard time handling any of it. If I hear the opening strains to Stairway I'm probably changing the station, while if I hear Night Flight I'll probably see it through to the end. But it's hard to argue that the latter is a better song.

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
21. Fool in the Rain...that's my adolescence calling...
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:42 AM
Oct 2014

It's hard to describe how this song makes me feel. It's like Senior Year and 18 all over again.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,191 posts)
24. "When the Levee Breaks" is clearly my favorite.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:32 PM
Oct 2014

Best rendition of a Southern Rock song by an English band, ever.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
28. Yeah, it's an amazing song.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:03 PM
Oct 2014

Apparently, even though it sounds so primal and raw, there's so much subtle studio trickery going on that it was pretty much impossible to recreate live.

I always figured that Jones and Page's studio expertise is one of the things that separates Zeppelin from the many rock and metal bands that learned to ape their riffs and singing style.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
26. Critics are idiots.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:55 PM
Oct 2014

That said, I didn't like Led Zep back in 1969, and I still don't like them now. Too much screaming and too much distortion.

Here is the best quote ever about a critic. I heard it from the great operatic bass Samuel Ramey from Colby, Kansas. He was quoting Max Reger, French organist and composer, 1906:

"I am in the smallest room in the house. I have your review before me. Soon it will be behind me."

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
27. Great read.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:02 PM
Oct 2014

I don't agree with all his rankings but it's cool he linked to each song. Zep is my all time favorite band. No other band even comes in as a close second. They define music for me.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
29. The most horrible and cruel review I have ever seen was in the Houston Chronicle.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:15 PM
Oct 2014

Alexei Sultanov won the Van Cliburn Piano Competition in Fort Worth when he was NINETEEN years old in 1989.

He was the most powerful and amazing pianist I have ever seen. And I've seen Horacio Gutierrez and Arthur Rubinstein live.
I saw Alexei play a recital in Houston about two years after he won the Van Cliburn competition. I met him after the recital and shook his hand. He did not know much English. All I could say, over and over, was, "Sunshine, sunshine, sunshine".

The stupid critic at the Chron, Carl Cunningham, called him "Tarzan of Uzbekistan". Horrendously insulting. Mr. Sultanov was about five foot three, and extremely powerful and solid and muscular. He was the closest thing to a piano playing machine that will ever walk this Earth.



This is Alexei Sultanov playing the Mephisto Waltz at the 1989 Van Cliburn Competition with a BROKEN STRING!!!!!!
LISTEN to this and tell me that is NOT an ultimate genius!!




And Carl Cunningham had the balls to insult this fine young genius. Unfortunately, he had a couple of strokes and died very young at the age of 35. He lived from 1969 to 2005. I think he had so much physical energy he literally burned out.



MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
34. My top 10 Zep tracks
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 11:15 PM
Oct 2014

1. Kashmir
2. When The Levee Breaks
3. The Houses Of The Holy
4. Misty Mountain Hop
5. What is and What Should Never Be
6. D'Yer Mak'er
7. The Ocean
8. Dancing Days
9. Fool In The Rain
10. All Of My Love

Special consideration:

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
Since I've Been Loving You
Black Dog
The Lemon Song
In My Time of Dying (Live at Earl's Court)
Bring it on Home (Live at the Royal Albert Hall)


Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
35. You have good taste
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:02 AM
Oct 2014

My top 10 (exclusive of live tracks) in no alphabetical order:

Black Dog
Bring It On Home
Candy Store Rock
Down By the Seaside
Houses of the Holy
In My Time of Dying
Misty Mountain Hop
Nobody's Fault But Mine
Stairway To Heaven
Trampled Under Foot


This is not to say that other songs aren't great. I just happen to be fond of these.

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