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ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:27 AM Aug 2014

Any DU car nuts out there? Seeking advice on next purchase...

(The following could be read as very elitist, so if you're a liberal progressive that doesn't understand why some people enjoy up-market cars, please don't report this post. I'm a liberal progressive and cars are my only vice. I always have a nice car. Perhaps it was growing up in a family that had complete disrespect for their vehicles. Whatever it is, I am a fanatic.)

So, my lease is up on my 2012 Infiniti M. I turn her in in about four weeks and am weighing my options. I've test drove a few different new and used beasts, and have narrowed it down to the following choices:

1. Another Infiniti M (now called the "Q70&quot .
2. A 2007-2009 Audi S8.

(I took buying my leased vehicle off the table as they want $10,000 more than market value. Crazy how that works. They will NOT negotiate. I've been there on previous Infiniti leases and I know the drill. They're nuts!)

Audi S8



The Audi S8 has a Lamborghini V10 engine with a 5.2L displacement which has been tuned for low-end torque to power this full-sized beast to 60 in 5 seconds. Naturally, as an Audi, it's all-wheel drive. The MSRP for these cars was well over six figures when new. Due to absurd depreciation (43% in the first year alone), these older models are now hovering around $30K-$40K on dealer lots.

Pros: Lambo V10! Jesus Christ, is that not enough? Looks extremely classy and timeless. Gorgeous interior. Audi engineering quality.

Cons: German cars seem to have electrical issues (might be a misconception). Lambo V10 sounds pricey to work on without a warranty.

Infiniti M56



The Infiniti M56 has a V8 engine with 5.6L displacement producing around 420HP and rockets this mid-sized luxury sedan to 60 in around 5 seconds as well. It's also all-wheel drive, which is very important to me. New, I think the vehicle is way over priced at $70K topped off so a lease would be mandatory for afforability. But used 2011-2012 models, at $25K-$35K, they are a bargain.

Pros: Japanese quality and reliability. Looks delicious driving down the road! Familiarity with this vehicle and its performance characteristics. Matches the older Audi in terms of features, comforts, and gizmos.

Cons: Marquee not as prestigious as anything German.

So my question, fellow liberal car nuts, is: what would you do? Both of these vehicles are in my price range. Both have extended warranties available that meet my criteria (e.g. nothing goes without coverage) and are affordable.

Thoughts?

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Any DU car nuts out there? Seeking advice on next purchase... (Original Post) ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 OP
I'll ask my husband for you TuxedoKat Aug 2014 #1
I've been looking at this. REAL hard. Starting at about $30,000... it's a nice machine. BlueJazz Aug 2014 #2
Looks nice but it's a little small for me... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #17
IF all else was equal OriginalGeek Aug 2014 #3
That He Said RobinA Aug 2014 #48
I'm really more of coupe or convertible person myself. alarimer Aug 2014 #4
Ok TuxedoKat Aug 2014 #5
Reliability is a huge issue with me steve2470 Aug 2014 #6
I've had three Infinitis in a row and they have all been superbly made vehicles. ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #12
Then maybe Audi is the one for you, best wishes and good luck :) nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #15
btw, please come comment on this thread steve2470 Aug 2014 #7
More input on this please nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #52
One of my motorcycle riding buddies here in Houston cloudbase Aug 2014 #8
As a trucker who has transported both models to dealers..... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2014 #9
Very certain... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #10
OK...fair enough.... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2014 #11
Pocket the money and buy a Yugo LynneSin Aug 2014 #13
bwahahaha steve2470 Aug 2014 #14
I don't think you can buy one anymore LynneSin Aug 2014 #16
just for kicks I went looking for one steve2470 Aug 2014 #44
The Audi is a beautiful car and it's lines will age well, much like the 94-01 7 Series BMWs... bluesbassman Aug 2014 #18
Two thoughts Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #19
Good points, but... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #21
I'll grant you the ultimate driving machine Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #22
Sort of how I feel about my Infiniti's... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #25
What you describe about Lexus is Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #28
The Q50's drive-by-wire is interesting... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #31
I checked what you said about oil changes... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #24
That's good news Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #26
You said that oil changes must be done by the dealer... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #29
That's funny on the DVD. They don't want to have to dig one up Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #30
You can BitTorrent Audi nav DVDs... LOL ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #32
Their is also that W12 floating around out there too. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #33
I've seen that... I am not sure if I am convinced... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #34
Indeed Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #36
I got the chance to drive that engine and that awd system, but Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #20
I vote for the Audi, because it's utterly gorgeous petronius Aug 2014 #23
Out of the two I would go for the Audi maddezmom Aug 2014 #27
Greatest car their is IMHO Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #37
I guess I should have said have driven only SUVs in the US maddezmom Aug 2014 #38
I'm back in an SUV now Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #39
Yeah, right! maddezmom Aug 2014 #41
Yup. Half a Volvo V50 Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #42
Their is nuttin like toolin' round in 3 series convertible on a day made for it Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #40
Mine was red and it was a really fun ride! But it stayed in the garage in bad weather. mnhtnbb Aug 2014 #49
I want to know irisblue Aug 2014 #35
They are not old enough for me. BootinUp Aug 2014 #43
The Prius locks Aug 2014 #45
But you gotta drive it six times around the globe Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #46
As a car guy who never let practicality get in the way, I'd choose the Audi. Throd Aug 2014 #47
My car is a 1986. MADem Aug 2014 #50
Good feedback... ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #53
I can't say for certain, but I think it might be the A4 MADem Aug 2014 #55
I vote for the Audi. Gorgeous looks. mnhtnbb Aug 2014 #51
UPDATE: My current thinking... sigh! ReverendDeuce Aug 2014 #54

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
1. I'll ask my husband for you
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:51 PM
Aug 2014

He's a big time car nut. He even reads car magazines in German (not his native language!). He may have another recommendation though! For myself, I like the looks of the Infiniti. It just looks smoother and more modern to me.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
17. Looks nice but it's a little small for me...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:41 PM
Aug 2014

The E-class, BMW 5-series, Infiniti M, Audi S6, and Lexus GS are about as small as I can fit.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
3. IF all else was equal
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:34 PM
Aug 2014

I'd pick the Audi from the two above. It looks more badass to me. The Infiniti just looks too dull to me.


I should say I don't know much about high end cars at all and not much more about low end cars. If I had the time, money and skill I'd love to restore a 68 Firebird and I'd be happy with that.

So if you're interested in a non-car guy's opinion on looks alone, there ya are. I imagine either way you'll feel pretty damn sporty zooming around in one of those. I know a car guy at work who loooooooooves audis for whatever that's worth

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
48. That He Said
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 01:11 PM
Aug 2014

The Infiniti looks like an updated Taurus to me.

However...a V10 is a bit much in my book, and I've had way better luck with Japanese cars than German.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
4. I'm really more of coupe or convertible person myself.
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:45 PM
Aug 2014

Not a big fan of the big sedan-type cars. For that price range, I would get an MX-5, personally. My dad actually bought a 2007 911 for not much more than you are quoting there.

I realize that's not helpful advice. I like the Audi better, at least the way it looks. That Infiniti looks just like a Nissan Maxima, which I guess is what it is.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
12. I've had three Infinitis in a row and they have all been superbly made vehicles.
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 03:24 PM
Aug 2014

From the beginning of my time with them to the time I sold them or traded them, they've maintained their like-new quality. Fit and finish has been top shelf. Not one has ever had a single mechanical issue. Absolutely worry free.

From what I hear of Audi and the German makes, electrical problems happen but they are not the type of problems that leave you with a non-functional car. It's more of things like "oops, the automatic door closer thingy doesn't work."

The warranty I am looking at covers everything. It even covers the factory stereo and GPS unit.

cloudbase

(5,519 posts)
8. One of my motorcycle riding buddies here in Houston
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 02:24 PM
Aug 2014

owns a shop that specializes in repairs to BMW/MB/Audi.

He makes lots of money, and he drives a Lexus.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,369 posts)
9. As a trucker who has transported both models to dealers.....
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 02:48 PM
Aug 2014

and as such, must admit that I haven't put hundreds of miles on either but rather hundreds of yards, I would go with the Audi.

I think the fit and finish to the Audi is superior. Their driveability is also legendary.
Infiniti and Lexus for that matter, just seem to be trying too hard. It is, in my opinion anyway, little more than a gussied up Nissan (in the case of Infiniti). The Infiniti will probably be a lot cheaper to maintain though.

It has always struck me how quickly Infiniti and lexus models seem to deteriorate. They just do not seem to me to hold up well over time.


BTW, Are you sure about the "Lamborghini V-10"? Are you positive a German Car maker is buying their engines from the Italians?

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
10. Very certain...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 03:20 PM
Aug 2014

The Lamborghini Gallardo V10 was made by Volkswagen for then. The Audi S8 derivative is slightly modified from the Lamborghini version, here are the details from the Wiki:

"The D3 series S8 features a 5.2-litre all-aluminium alloy four-valves per cylinder V10 petrol engine. This engine is a derivative of the Lamborghini Gallardo's original 5.0-litre Lamborghini V10, which was also developed under the Volkswagen Group ownership. On this Audi-only variant, compared to the Lamborghini engine, it features a longer stroke and wider bore—which increases the displacement of the engine, and produces more torque at lower revs, making it more suitable for the larger and heavier full-sized luxury Audi application. It produces 331 kW (444 hp) of power and 540 N·m (398 lb·ft) of torque. By having its bore whittled out an additional 2 millimetres (0.1 in), displacement in the S8 application increases from 5.0- to 5.2-litres. The engine also features Audi's direct-injection system, called Fuel Stratified Injection (FSI)."

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
16. I don't think you can buy one anymore
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:22 PM
Aug 2014

I mean most of them were rust buckets after a year on the road so I would suspect most of them are just piles of rust in a junkyard somewhere.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
44. just for kicks I went looking for one
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 08:04 PM
Aug 2014

Could not find one. Granted, I did not spend hours looking, but you're probably right.

bluesbassman

(19,374 posts)
18. The Audi is a beautiful car and it's lines will age well, much like the 94-01 7 Series BMWs...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:58 PM
Aug 2014

The Infinity is a good looking car, but the lines are just a bit quirky for me and I'd probably tire of it sooner than later. I'd go with the Audi.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
19. Two thoughts
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:00 PM
Aug 2014

One: do not buy that S8 without a warranty. Period. But the ps is try and buy a maintenance warranty as well. I bet the oil change (dealership only too) is at least $350. Minimum.

Then brakes. Consider the mileage and consider the brake wear. Brakes are probably 1k each. Read the service history too.

Two. Stop messin about and get a 2010 M5 or 550i

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
21. Good points, but...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:10 PM
Aug 2014

As for the warranty, good points. I would never buy one without as close to a full coverage warranty as possible. I'll look into maintenance contracts as well.

As for the BMW... the BMW 5-series is uncomfortable to me. No matter how I adjust the seat, I cannot get away from the goddamn B-pillar. It's always pressing up against my left shoulder and it makes the car impossible to get out of without going through contortions. Same with the 7-series.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
22. I'll grant you the ultimate driving machine
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:17 PM
Aug 2014

Sometimes forgets their's a driver.

I'm a bmw nut. Traded In and out of 6 of them so far and in none of them have I ever seen the full instrument cluster and until I figured out the seat I could have invested in tiger balm.

So I'm with you there.

I'm a New Yorker (adopted anyway) and driving an Audi for me is like visiting LA. I try to love it, but after a short while I remember why I don't like and head back to stuffy, cramped, lovely BMW, er, NYC.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
25. Sort of how I feel about my Infiniti's...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:33 PM
Aug 2014

As I said, I've had three M-class Infinitis in a row, and they are just so nice to me. It's like the halfway point between BMW and Lexus. Lots of performance, all of the luxury features I want, built solid as hell. They are not nearly as glued-to-the-pavement as BMW, though. That I wholly agree with. Nothing feels like the BMW. And BMW does have more whiz-bang gadgets.

Lexus is completely placid to me. The most boring cars on the road. Like Cadillac. That Cadillac XTS V-Sport has the dual-turbo V6 with 400hp, but it's like driving a pillow around. The body roll is out of goddamn control!

So for me, the Infiniti is a nice spot between the two. Audi sort of feels the same.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
28. What you describe about Lexus is
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:43 PM
Aug 2014

How I feel about Benz. To a tee.

I drove the 2014 Infiniti q50. Yawner for me. I'm sure I'd like the m class. Always been a fan especially the older rear wheel drive ones.

I also like Nissan engines in general. Gutsy.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
31. The Q50's drive-by-wire is interesting...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:02 PM
Aug 2014

The Q50 looks great and is an exceptional value in that size class. You really need to pay attention to how the adaptive steering and throttle response are configured for you. If you leave it tuned for "comfort", you'll feel like you're driving dad's old Buick.

As for Mercedes... the E-class is mundane, the S-class looks like grandpa on the inside (it looks like it needs bench seats and a transmission stalk coming from the wheel with a faux wood knob on the end).

The M's have been great. The others here have assumed it's a re-badged Maxima, which is not true at all. There's nothing the two cars share. I like how I can easily defeat all the nanny options with real buttons. The M56 can deliver some impressive burnouts with AWD and traction control shut off. The sport model includes some extra goodies and paddle shifters.

I keep sticking up for Infiniti because I like them, obviously. But I do feel like it's time for a change having owned three M's in a row.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
24. I checked what you said about oil changes...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:28 PM
Aug 2014

It doesn't appear to be true. Brake work is the same deal.

The dealer who has the one I want has ASE staff. In order to get an extended warranty from Nissan they have to complete a 156-point inspection which includes tire and brake wear, just about every fluid I've ever heard of, shocks, a litany of things.

Nissan's warranty is the only one I could find that would cover this vehicle. It's managed by Nissan Extended Service North America for non-Nissan vehicles and they sell to the public. You just need to use their CPO checklist. They offer extensions all the way to 100,000 miles (only an additional 2/24 at 100K, though). For the one I am looking at, I can get a 3/36 or 3/48 for quite a reasonable price.

The warranty is an exclusionary warranty and even covers the on-board GPS, stereo, and every gizmo in the car.

I can get the repairs at an Audi dealer or any ASE-certified shop.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
26. That's good news
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:40 PM
Aug 2014

But I don't really follow on what I was incorrect about. Cost or if it's covered?

It was just a guess based on my bmw experiences.

Certainly you could use an ASE Cert. repair place, but I wouldn't trust it. You gotta dig pretty deep to find a Lambo tech.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
29. You said that oil changes must be done by the dealer...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:56 PM
Aug 2014

At least that's what it looks like you wrote. Maybe I misunderstood. Same with the brake work.

As for a mechanic that can work on the V10, this is true and obviously I'd make every effort to have a VW or Audi tech work on it rather than some local yokel.

The only items the warranty doesn't cover (I just re-read) are obvious wear items (pads, rotors, wiper blades, upholstery), non-OEM equipment, oddball stuff like the hydropneumatic suspension as seen in Peugeots (I've asked for clarification on whether or not the OEM adaptive suspension is covered, but I believe it would be as it is not stated as an exclusionary item), and, amusingly enough, they even state that the GPS Navigation DVD *disc* is not covered (the drive is, but not the disc). When I read that, I LOL'ed -- at least they are thorough!

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
30. That's funny on the DVD. They don't want to have to dig one up
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:00 PM
Aug 2014

Good reads.

I vote audi. When is your next chance to drive a Lambo V10 incognito like that.

I bet that thing still kicks like a bull on up the gear box.

That 560 sure did.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
32. You can BitTorrent Audi nav DVDs... LOL
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:07 PM
Aug 2014

Nobody pays $300 for nav discs anymore.

There are some impressive videos on YouTube...




ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
34. I've seen that... I am not sure if I am convinced...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:12 PM
Aug 2014

That looks even MORE exotic to deal with should issues arise.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
23. I vote for the Audi, because it's utterly gorgeous
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:21 PM
Aug 2014

Although I know nothing much of cars (my vices tend in other directions) so my opinion is pretty-much meaningless...

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
27. Out of the two I would go for the Audi
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:40 PM
Aug 2014

I just got a previously own certified 2011 BMW535i. It is my first sedan in over 12 years...been driving SUVs. Absolutely love it and the gas mileage isn't bad either.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
37. Greatest car their is IMHO
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:28 PM
Aug 2014

I had the 2010 wagon. Only difference is twin turbo vs the new twin scroll turbo. Same stats though.

Loved it. Hugged it goodbye.

Yes. I hugged it goodbye.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
38. I guess I should have said have driven only SUVs in the US
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:34 PM
Aug 2014

Had a used 2004 M series wagon my first time in the UK...cuz the roads were so much smaller it took me a long time to get adjusted, but loved it. Ex had a used 3 series convert able that I loved to tool around in when he was on business. All and all I am pleased with my purchase and got the extended warranty.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
39. I'm back in an SUV now
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:40 PM
Aug 2014

First one since the late 90's. That was a lifted 4runner. This one, an x5. Kinda the same.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
41. Yeah, right!
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:51 PM
Aug 2014

LOL! My last car in the UK was a Volvo x5...nice, safe but was the fleet car for most expats. Boring.

mnhtnbb

(31,390 posts)
49. Mine was red and it was a really fun ride! But it stayed in the garage in bad weather.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:08 PM
Aug 2014

We even took it out one night, top down, to see the Christmas lights (no snow on the streets)
in Lincoln, NE before we moved. Sleigh ride in a BMW anyone?


irisblue

(32,975 posts)
35. I want to know
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:16 PM
Aug 2014

could you take me on your test drive? I know nothing about cars.....but I can tell you how the passenger seat works.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. My car is a 1986.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:11 PM
Aug 2014

So I can't say I know a thing about the two you are considering.

That said, I have a friend with an Audi who, if he had it to do over again, would not. The damn thing is ALWAYS in the shop.

I like reliable cars, myself!

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
53. Good feedback...
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:46 PM
Aug 2014

I realize that lots of this is anecdotal, but still it's good to hear others' opinions.

What Audi did your friend have, do you know?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. I can't say for certain, but I think it might be the A4
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 08:02 AM
Aug 2014

It is only a few years old, now, and it's been in and out of the shop since it was new.

They're very good at giving him the "loaner" car, but they should, at those prices.

Every time I see him in a different color car, I know he's got that thing in the shop!

Once I got to gloat when I gave him a ride to the dealership to pick up his loaner when his car was towed (wouldn't start).

My car is a shitbox, but it takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!

mnhtnbb

(31,390 posts)
51. I vote for the Audi. Gorgeous looks.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:15 PM
Aug 2014

I've had three BMW's--all pre-owned, certified--bought them when they were 2 years old and
low miles--and none has had an electrical problem. All 3 series: convertible, sedan, now a wagon.

I do love the ride.


My oldest son drives autocross here in NC. When he was in Germany last May (we were all visiting
youngest son living in Berlin) he drove a BMW wagon from Berlin to Frankfurt so he could, of course,
drive the Nurburgring. He had the BMW up to 145 MPH on the road. (You have to rent special vehicles
for the Nurburgring.) He said it was fantastic handling.

ReverendDeuce

(1,643 posts)
54. UPDATE: My current thinking... sigh!
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 06:25 PM
Aug 2014

So, it's been difficult to ascertain a lot of the details about the Audi and I'm a bit flummoxed. It seems that the 2007 Audi S8 model does NOT have adaptive cruise control or lane departure warning. I use the adaptive cruise control in my Infiniti all of the time, sometimes even in the city on major thoroughfares. The lane departure warning and blind spot detection are also things I find very useful. They are quite reliable when it comes to merging and changing lanes.

These features are on the 2008 model, but I am not sure how to identify whether or not the features are installed. The ventilated/cooled seats are easy to spot as there is a button in the center console. The lane departure/blind spot apparently have their LED indicators on the inside of the side mirrors, but apparently these are not standard features.

Do I really need this? I don't know... I've only had blind spot warnings since 2011. I've had adaptive cruise for nine years now and I make heavy use of it.

I'll be driving several hours on Friday and I'll give it a shot with both features disabled in my Infiniti to see what the experience is like. I hope I can live with it, because these Audis are just so damned sexy...

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