Just curious: Does anyone else out there feel sorry for Bill Clinton?

[leftyladyfrommo]

I swear Monika L. and the reporters are going to be there standing next to his grave when he dies. That affair is just the gift that keeps on giving.

It's kind of like Jane Fonda. She made a huge mistake and nothing she could do would make it better.

[pinboy3niner]

1. I don't think this fits the Lounge SOP

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[hlthe2b]

2. I think Bill Clinton will be just fine. Even his self-professed enemies have to admit they like him.

They resented him, from the beginning because he was not of the "elitist" class, surely and because he was a Democrat. But, in comparison, that was nothing like the seething hatred and overt racism directed towards Barack Obama.

Both are genial men. Bill has the "gift of gab" and the charm to disarm He'll be just fine.

Blaming Hillary, on the other hand, pisses me off no end. Regardless of whether one likes or detests Hillary as a politician, to blame her for her husband's misdeeds--- that is just overt misoyny in my opinion.

[pipi_k]

3. Hard to feel sorry

for a guy who will probably have a huge grin on his face when he kicks the bucket...

And really, as for people standing around his grave, I'm thinking he probably won't be paying much attention to them

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. not just No but, Hell NO I do NOT feel sorry for Bill Clinton. Are you fucking kidding me with this?

[Iggo]

5. Nope.

He knew he was married when he woke up that morning.

[magical thyme]

6. No.

[Throd]

7. Not a bit.

[UTUSN]

8. IBTL Nope I reached the OVER stage with him long ago. & Gennifer FLOWERS is worse than ML

At the end of Primary Colors (movie) one of the supporters tells him, (after we supported him through so much, back then in the Primaries before the later crap), "Don't break our hearts (again)." And he did.

I first became aware of him in the Primaries debates, not knowing who he was and he was brilliant. Later I met somebody from Arkansas and told them, "Your governor is great!"

We thirsted (always do, with so many noble losses) for a Dem winner and champion. Just wanted him to do his job and fight for our agenda. But, no, he injected his personal crap into it all. At the time I defended him to the max against the Rethug fakeness and dirty tricks, while personally blaming both him and ML for their selfishness.

When it was all over, I think very little of either of them. I supported Hillary in the '08 primary until it was clear she had lost and had run a badly managed campaign and blew millions on the same old inside-the-box p.r. jerks. She deserved to lose. And I gave my support wholeheartedly to OBAMA and have since been more supportive of him than his original (now fickle) supporters. And despite that he seems to be mostly a ceremonial sort, even with the legit accomplishments of health care and winding up the Shrub fiascos, what I have come to appreciate most is that he has kept his personal life, what we know of it, clean and out of the mix.

At this point, as for Hillary, if she is the nominee I will support her fully, but I suspect a wingnut trap: She is a HUGH!1 TARGET. Everybody, including the wingnuts, are spinning her as inevitable and for sure, but for me as an Old Person (ME being the Old Person) she is tired and past the expiration date and frankly hasn't delivered with performance. But I also suspect that the Presidency is a figurehead with the hundreds/thousands of underlings doing the real work so it probably doesn't matter.

As for Jane, I see her as a lost soul for most of her life, always searching for her cold father's love: Started out with the privileged life, but craving the dad's absent love, then turning into the attention-craving crying out in stage after stage: Sexpot, trophy sex pot wife, politics, exercise, Causes --- always preaching preaching preaching from a This-is-the-latest-thing-I-know-better-than-you pedestal. I guess she has found herself just by being Candide all her life, but all she has ever been or wanted was Daddy's love and approval.

I'm still typing, is this locked yet?!1

[Boomerproud]

13. A great post full of awareness and empathy.

Neither Clinton nor Lewinsky have self-awareness so I have no sympathy for either of them. As for the media stomping on his grave that is their problem and I don't plan on witnessing their disgusting sideshow masquerading as news when it happens.

[UTUSN]

19. Thanks but *whups* - left out the main point: All our energy went into defending Bill personally

instead of both him and us spending all the energy on our agenda. When there's a leader like him who sucks all the oxygen out of the room, whether it rises to the cult level or not, and his personal priorities have to be defended like this, our only opportunity at the Power is divided and weakened while we divert our all toward saving his personal skin. Our agenda is set aside while we have to save Him. Him him him.


Haha, as for the point about this thread being off topic for Lounge, well, if the consensus for GD is that occasional cat threads so long as not overdoing it are O.K., then perhaps the occasional GD incursion into Lounge, is, too?!1 Haha.

[Boomerproud]

20. Your points are correct and well taken.

Yes, having to spend all that energy trying to save Bill (from himself actually) was extremely detrimental and ultimately heartbreaking.

[MH1]

24. I think you really captured my feeling about Clinton as compared to Obama.

I do think Obama has done more than he gets credit for, in an incredibly toxic atmosphere that I think we don't even appreciate here at DU.

But it is SO refreshing to have the idyllic, picture-book wholesome presidential family that the Obamas project.

As for Hillary, I'll support her if she gets the nom, and I think she'll be a competent president. But I'll wait to see if there are other challengers before unconditionally throwing my support behind her in the primary.

[steve2470]

9. Not really

He thought he could dodge the whole thing and vastly underestimated the Republicans. If he had just owned up to being a sex dog, the whole thing would have blown over in a few weeks and he and Hillary could have patched things up behind closed doors. Instead, he pulled a Nixon and almost lost it all. That being said, I think the Republicans are going to come off far worse in history than him.

eta: The persons I feel sorry for are Hillary (who had to deal with all the BS) and Monica, only because she was only 22. Yes, she was an adult and made horrible choices, but so did I at that age. In her old age I do think Monica will privately rue the whole thing.

[HipChick]

10. I do feel sorry for him

that he has poor taste .

[Auggie]

11. No

[Chan790]

12. Can I reframe that question before I answer it?

Do I feel sorry for Bill Clinton for receiving consensual oral sex from an attractive younger-but-legal-aged woman who wasn't his wife?

No. Why would I feel sorry for Bill Clinton for getting his knob polished? If anybody, I'd feel sorry for Hillary for being cuckqueaned. Actually, I don't feel sorry for either of them because I generally got the impression then and now that their marriage is more complex than we as a public understand. I believe it wasn't as big of a deal inside of their marriage as it was in the media.

[mgcgulfcoast]

22. it was a political marriage

i doubt love was ever a consideration.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

14. No, I feel more sorry for those negatively affected by NAFTA and the repeal of Glass Steagall.

He made a decision and that decision has consequences.

[MrMickeysMom]

15. ...

Aaaaaaaa----hhhhhhh

[Joe Shlabotnik]

16. None whatsoever.

Though I wish he was skewered less for his personal short comings, and skewered far far more for his pro-corporate agenda. I do have sympathy for the victims of welfare 'reform', or the people that lost their jobs from NAFTA, or Rwandans etc.

[840high]

17. No.

[Nye Bevan]

18. "Young lady, I am a married man!"

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said Bill Clinton, to nobody, ever.

So no.

[mgcgulfcoast]

21. i dont feel sorry for him

he had a good time getting jollies from every woman he could get in bed.

[CBGLuthier]

23. Not One Damned Bit.

[leftyladyfrommo]

25. I think the "do not" feel sorry for him guys won.

You sow the wind. You reap the whirlwind.

He really, really shouldn't have done it.

[Arugula Latte]

26. No. I just wish he'd go away.

But with Hillary on the horizon, that ain't gonna happen.

[RobinA]

27. I Get Where

you are coming from with this, but no. Bill Clinton is my role model in resilience. He just carries on no matter what. That's partly why his enemies hate him so much, he's indestructible. I admire that, even if I don't admire some of his choices. Although I think the two go hand in hand.