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Well not a complete list,but not bad either.
http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/20-greatest-movie-villains#content-41
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)dogknob
(2,431 posts)That film was creeeeepy.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think Psycho (circa 1960?) was the oldest movie and then A Clockwork Orange (circa 1970?)
No Wicked Witch of the West?
No Mr Potter from It's a Wonderful Life?
No Baby Jane?
No Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity?
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But I'd include Robert Mitchum's Harry Powell from Night of the Hunter and John Huston's Noah Cross from Chinatown. You could take out Ivan Drago and the T-1000 from Terminator 3 to make room for them.
dogknob
(2,431 posts)Villain was a great homage to Cross.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I'll have to double-check, because Chinatown is one of my all-time fave movies.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)than Nicholson's.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)I think for the villain to be great, the movie has to be great and Batman was awful.
Initech
(100,076 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)
The Dark Knight won't be topped in the Batman franchise for decades. I can't wait to see if Nolan tops that with Dark Knight Rises.
skypilot
(8,854 posts)I'd add Lena Olin as "Mona Demarcov" in "Romeo Is Bleeding".
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)skypilot
(8,854 posts)...while we're mentioning Stephen King stuff.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)skypilot
(8,854 posts)Just the thought of her up there at her station dispensing pills makes my blood run a little cold.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)The Joker- Heath Ledger was way better than Jack Nicholson. But The Dark Knight was way better than Batman.
Why T-1000 and not the original Terminator?
Why Ivan Drago instead of Clubber Lang? (Again- Rocky III was the better movie)
Begbie? He was a great character, but I don't really see him as a villain per se.
Did they consider General Jack Ripper (Dr Strangelove)? Sgt Barnes (Platoon)? King Edward (Braveheart)? The Humungus (Road Warrior)? Cruella Deville (1001 Dalmatians)? The Kurgan (Highlander)?
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)nuxvomica
(12,425 posts)I would add Raymond Lemorne from the original Dutch version of "The Vanishing".
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Such as:
Graybeard
(6,996 posts)Glenn Ford has always been an under-rated actor IMO but his outlaw Ben Wade in 3:10 To Yuma (1957) is chilling.
Good looking, easy going, soft-spoken and...evil.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)One of my favorite movie villains!
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WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)HAL should have made the list
Initech
(100,076 posts)I'm not the biggest fan of his but this movie kicks a lot of ass and is one of my favorites - not to mention it has some great shots of my city in it.
MichaelMcGuire
(1,684 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)Not a female in the bunch, and nary a kid...
what about Rhonda Penmark?
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)First, the 20 selections, and some initial impressions. First, I have a personal antipathy to cartoon villains. There will be a couple of exceptions, but generally I don't find live action cartoon characters to be realistic or believable, and it isn't fair to actors "creating" a flesh-and-blood person. Second, the character has to know he or she is a villain, and isn't just playing for the wrong team from the story's point of view. While Travis Bickle is a memorable character, I don't see him as a villain, as he sees himself as some kind of shining armor knight. Another point is that the villain has to be a villain, not just as revealed at the end. This lets out the Kevin Spacey character in The Usual Suspects, a movie and character I really like. But is he a villain? Finally, the movie has to have some presence in the movie-going public's mind.
With these criteria in mind, here are my verdicts on the list:
1. Darth Vader, Star Wars - Yes, exception to the cartoon character rule
2. Hannibal Lecter, Silence of the Lambs - Yes
3. Tommy DeVito, Goodfellas - No, but I'm persuadable
4. Hans Gruber, Die Hard - No
5. T-1000, Terminator 3 - No, cartoon character
6. Agent Smith, The Matrix - I'd like to say yes, but there seem to be a couple of strikes against him
7. Amon Goeth, Schindler's List - Haven't seen the movie, but Nazis tend to make me think of cartoon characters
8. Gordon Gecko, Wall Street - Ambivalent, tend toward no
9. Ernst Blofeld (Donald Pleasance version), James Bond - Tend toward yes, despite cartoonish demeanor of Bond movies
10. Dudley Smith, LA Confidential - Ambivalent because he's not revealed as the villain until late, but he's pretty good
11. Keyser Soze, The Usual Suspects - No, for reasons stated above
12. Frank Booth, Blue Velvet - Haven't seen the movie, no opinion
13. Ivan Drago, Rocky IV - No. Just no.
14. Alex DeLarge, A Clockwork Orange - Odd to say, but too likeable to be a movie villain
15. General Zod, Superman I and II - No, cartoon character
16. Begbie, Trainspotting - Minor film, saw it too long ago to remember, no presence in the movie-going public mind; no
17. Norman Bates, Psycho - Yes
18. The Joker (Jack Nicholson version), Batman - Lean yes, but 20 greatest? No.
19. Travis Bickle, Taxi Driver - No, for reasons stated above
20. Don Logan, SexyBeast - See number 16, verbatim
So I have outright agreement with at least four villains. As mentioned elsewhere, I'd add the Chinatown and Night of the Hunter villains, as well as Kathy Bates from Misery. I like my villains menacing and in some way arbitrary. Some people get away from an encounter with the villain without a scratch; others might get killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Who else should be on the list? Let's bicker!
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)If the audience cheers when the villain gets it, that's a villain!
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)They seem mostly limited to Action and SciFi
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)than studying films
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Especially when Glenn Close does the role. Her best two - Alex Forrest in "Fatal Attraction" and Marquise de Meurtil in "Dangerous Liasions"
Graybeard
(6,996 posts)The sheriff talking about "the old days" says that things began to go wrong when we stopped being polite, stopped saying "Yes sir and No sir."
Well the most polite person in the film is Chigurh. "Step out of the car please, sir." And then he mercilessly kills him.
ceile
(8,692 posts)Creepiest old man ever!
Lawrence Olivier for those may not know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_Man_(film)