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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsSorry to be a downer, but damn, I am a broken man!
It all started around four years ago when I found out my wife was cheating. She had been my dream, my best friend, and the sexiest woman I could even imagine.
I was devastated, but not entirely surprised.
She had been leading up to this for several years. Excessive flirtations, dodgy internet activity, "phone" buddies - that sort of thing. We even went to couples therapy over it. (I want my money back )
So the actual real-world cheating was a deal-breaker for me. I moved out. I threatened divorce, but I never really followed through on the legal paper work. There was always an excuse to put it off a few months.
Reconciling with her is not an option and never really was. She'd just do it again. Nothing in her has changed.
I guess a part of me was hoping that she would realize what she had "lost" one day and start at least trying to make amends. But no. I don't think she feels like she has "lost" anything.
And why not? What is so unattractive and/or unsexy about me as to render my love "disposable"? Well, I know that I'm a depressed, whining little shell of a man now, but I wasn't that way when she started all of this.
Well sorry for the pathetic rant. I hope no one replies and it sinks like a stone. I just don't seem to have the ability to get past this thing that has happened in my life. I want to find love again, but I'm shy and I don't have a large social network and I'm afraid there is something profoundly undesirable and unlovable about me that I'm just too dumb to see anyway.
Sigh.
Now, off to listen to the Joy Division album again.
Maraya1969
(22,484 posts)If you look at your thinking you will see it is all in the past or in the future, not in the now. If you can get into the now you will feel good. You have to keep a good watch on your thought though.
I find that doing something that takes my brain up helps. You can do a set puzzle, (it is maddening sometimes). Just look it up on Google.
Anything non emotional is helpful I think. I've even counted backward from 1,000 by 7's to get my mind off of what I am feeling.
I wish the very best for you. I wish you happiness and peace.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)So glad that you're here again
For one more time
Let your madness run with mine
Streets still unseen we'll find somehow
No time is better than now
Tell me where are you driving
Midnight cruiser
Where is your bounty
Of fortune and fame
I am another
Gentlemen loser
Drive me to Harlem
Or somewhere the same
The world that we used to know
People tell me it don't turn no more
The places we used to go
Familiar faces that ain't smilin' like before
The time of our time has come and gone
I fear we been waiting too long
On the other hand....
Well, I heard some people talkin' just the other day
And they said you were gonna put me on a shelf
But let me tell you I got some news for you
And you'll soon find out it's true
And then you'll have to eat your lunch all by yourself
'Cause I'm already gone
And I'm feelin' strong
I will sing this vict'ry song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo,hoo,hoo
The letter that you wrote me made me stop and wonder why
But I guess you felt like you had to set things right
Just remember this, my girl, when you look up in the sky
You can see the stars and still not see the light (that's right)
And I'm already gone
And I'm feelin' strong
I will sing this vict'ry song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo, hoo,hoo
Well I know it wasn't you who held me down
Heaven knows it wasn't you who set me free
So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains
And we never even know we have the key
But me, I'm already gone
And I'm feelin' strong
I will sing this vict'ry song
'Cause I'm already gone
Yes, I'm already gone
And I'm feelin' strong
I will sing this vict'ry song
'Cause I'm already gone
Yes, I'm already gone
Already gone
All right, nighty-night
DO NOT LET YOUR SELF WORTH BE DETERMINED BY ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!
dawg
(10,624 posts)Eagles, man!
Thanks, though.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I used to be dead certain that Fagen was singing "Thelonious, my old friend...", as in, Monk. But I read the lyrics one day and sure enough, it's Felonious. I don't understand this. It's used as though it's a noun, like someone's name. But the word felonious is an adjective. Is this someone's nickname, or something else? Thanks.
panader0
(25,816 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Sometimes taking tangible steps to close that door can move you off the dime and onto better things.
After that maybe sign up for some of those singles groups that do fun things together - not necessarily romantic (like bowling or wine tasting or going to a ball game), but something that gets you out with women who are on your wavelength. Or go and volunteer. Of join your church choir - something! Anything!
But I'm thinking you have to be truly "single" before you can allow yourself to open up enough again to contemplate another relationship.
Good luck! We're rooting for you!!
warrior1
(12,325 posts)The way you feel is normal. I'll bet that his has happened to most of us. It's happened to me more than once. I'm a lesbian and you would think that I would have women figured out. Nope.
Well, my problem was I always fell for the wrong type of person and didn't get out when the red flags were every where.
You have a chance to move from this relationship and take a deep breath and feel relieved. I'll bet if you go back through the last few years with her you'll remember times were not that great and you just plowed through them.
Give yourself some time to heal, then let it go.
Oh, and it's not you, it's her. You are not the problem with the relationship, she messed up. It's not your fault.
You'll find love again, probably when you're not quite ready. But, be open to friendship.
Good luck and know that you're not alone.
Mary
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)by someone you thought was the love of your life, best friend, soul-mate, all that crap. Been there. I know too well how much it hurts. But the thing is, you will get over it. It takes a while, but you have to keep telling yourself that it wasn't because there is something wrong with you. There was something wrong with her for treating you like that. I think the real shock comes from learning that the person you totally trusted turned out to be someone altogether different, and instead of accepting the fact that the love of your life is actually just a duplicitous jerk, you blame yourself for not being wonderful enough. Stop that right now. You're fine. It just takes time.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)Look at all the names you are calling yourself, as if they are true. We do that sometimes because we want things to make sense. If things make sense then we have a hope of doing something about them. If you're pathetic, unloveable, undesirable, etc. then what your wife did can either be changed or you can do something that will insure that it never happens again.
Here's the hard part. This isn't something you did; it was something that was done to you, that happened to you. I don't know your wife but I know that most of what people do comes from inside. A couples' therapist can't help save a marriage when one or both partners are unwilling to change. What she "lost" is obvious to you because you have a different way of being in the world. Sometimes people don't "lose," they "replace." For whatever reason.
But you won't get her back by hurting yourself, and if you could it would be a mess, because that's no way to have a relationship either.
You're grieving. It's understandable. But when we grieve we need care, not a beating. I hope you get some and go out and look for some. Good luck!
handmade34
(22,756 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)your D-I-V-O-R-C-E should become final ASAP. Move onward, upward and away. You need CLOSURE. Finish that chapter in your book of life and start a new chapter. Write your own pages. Do not let someone else write your book for you.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I could not stand his cheatin ways...I never attempted to get back, talk about it or therapy..just packed all my worldly stuff in my car and left....had the legal folks serve him divorce papers and got on with life..
Life is too short to be unhappy..
distantearlywarning
(4,475 posts)I found out about infidelity in my own marriage last year. Most painful, horrible thing that has ever happened to me in my life, bar none.
So I'm right there with you in spirit. And trust me, it's not you, it's her. People who commit infidelity are almost always trying to fix something broken inside themselves, to fill personal voids with the relationship equivalent of junk food. Working on yourself is always a good idea no matter what place in life in which you find yourself, but still you should never blame yourself for her poor coping skills and inappropriate life choices.
There's a great forum on the web for those of us who found ourselves members of the shittiest club nobody ever wanted to join. It's called www.survivinginfidelity.com. It's actually been kind of a lifesaver for me over the past 8 months.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)BTDT.
Thanks for the link.
And huge hugs to the OP. It's been roughly 4 years for me too...not over it. Getting better, but it's a slow process. I joined a divorce support group and it helped. See if there's one in your area. They aren't all alike, but mine was super helpful.
DFW
(54,410 posts)Even so, I thought I was in the great love of my life, and I was devastated when she told me it was over.
I should have known that age 20 life was in no way over, but trying to tell me that at the time would have been useless. I wandered in an emotional limbo for two years until one night in 1974, when I was expecting nothing of the sort, I was introduced to a tall beautiful woman with whom I am still together now. The darkest hour and all that. Ya just gotta believe when it's hardest to do so, and if you can't just now, well, neither did I. Two years is a long time when you're 20. I'm just saying you might get lucky, and if you do, it's not going to happen when or because you want it to.
Nor am I saying you'll get over it soon or ever. But you might, and you have to give yourself the chance.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)First, as rider wrote, get the divorce final. Taking that first step will free up your stuck energy.
Of course you are loveable. Somebody married you once. Cheating is not a reflection on you or measure of your loveability; it's a reflection on her inability to grow up and be real.
Once you've started getting your divorce finalized, join a club. Take a class in something you always wanted to learn or do. Volunteer at something. There you will meet like-minded people in a no-pressure environment.
The fact that you posted this here tells me you are ready to move forward. So go on and take that first step.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... and it took some time (couple years) but I found the most incredible woman I could ever imagine and we've been together 16 years and have a very happy life together.
It's not about who you are it is about finding the right mate. There is someone for everyone. She is out there but you will have to find her and win her.
You can do it. Get the divorce and close this chapter. Then move on. You can do it. You can come out of this in a better place than you have ever been. Where you focus your energy is where you get results in your life. Focus on finding that someone. It will be worth whatever it costs! I did it, you can do it.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)He started being a broken man about 10 years before his 40 year marriage ended. Painful to watch it happen
in his case, very painful year to two years afterwards.
It got better because he is learning to be stronger. There are many ways. They always are aided by a supportive group of folks. Thankfully, he has his two sisters and at least one of his three children and that family.
Those who thought he'd remain weak are wrong, but it didn't happen because of luck
It got better because the right people cared. Ultimately, he cared and respected himself after doubts that he could again.
You can and will again. Your rant wasn't pathetic. It was cathartic.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Get the divorce done as quickly as you can. Be done with this part of your life and move on. When my "charming ex-wife, The Dragon Lady" and I split up I was given this advice that helped.
1). "It is not Your fault."
2). "Be sure that You eat right, as this time will be exceptionally hard on You and You need to take care of Yourself."
3). "Get it over with, but don't give up anything of value ($'s) being in a hurry to do so. She created this mess, so don't give away the farm just to be rid of her."
And I would add remember this verse....
"I am hurt, but I am not slain; Ill lay me down and bleed a while, And then Ill rise and fight again.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Sorry you're going through this dawg.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)What I want to address is your comments about feeling undesirable and unlovable because your spouse cheated on you. Let me put your mind at rest on that score.
First of all - sad fact of life - cheating is so damn common. I'm sitting here taking a mental inventory of the people I've known throughout my life and having a very hard time thinking of an unaffected person. Saddest of all, IMO, are the situations where one partner turns a blind eye because they just can't face getting out there and starting over. Glad that's not going to be you.
But the point I want to make is there have been many situations I've been close to where I can tell you, as an objective female observer, the cheated upon husband is undeniably hot, not to mention intelligent, funny and generally desirable in all the various ways that ping your radar as a woman. And more often than not, the person with whom the unfaithful spouse has chosen to cheat is a total "meh". How many times have I had the "what the hell is she thinking?" conversation with friends, as we all wonder why in hell she'd hook up with the nothing boyfriend when we know what she's got at home. I couldn't even guess.
I've become convinced that it's the forbidden fruit factor that underlies a good deal of cheating, which needless to say, is no reflection on you. And it never ceases to amaze me when I see the desirable guys who get cheated on - the ones that leave you thinking, damn, if I was only unattached myself...
Who knows what sort of amazing woman is out there waiting for you. When you find your next love, and you will (trust me, lots of women really go for the shy type), it just might hit you like a thunderclap and when it does, you'll be damned glad you did the smart thing and put your unfaithful ex behind you.
Hang in there - happier days ahead
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Filmore
(20 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I was also run down and blamed myself for just about everything that went wrong. I was very depressed and down. Not only was I working too many hours at my regular job due to a special project, I also tried to work overtime at home to make sure my ex was happy. I was getting maybe 4 hours of sleep a night most of the time, so was mentally, physically and emotionally just worn out. I kind of knew the end was coming, but it still hurt when she actually pulled the trigger and filed. (I had always held out that slim sliver of hope that maybe, just maybe, things could turn around if I just worked harder, spent more money on her, did more & more for her, etc, because nobody in my family had gotten divorced before me, so I just kept hoping for a turnaround.)
Oddly, though, not long after she moved out, I started to feel better about myself. Sure, I was still stressed about all the debt she had left behind (she told me I was lucky she didn't max out all the credit cards before she filed for divorce - though, she did come reasonably close.), but just not having her shadow looming over me every day (well, as much as a hair under 5 foot tall woman can loom...) was a relief to me. Not being yelled at for questioning her spending, or having to clean up after her and her dog every day, was a big relief.
Looking back, I was surprised at how quickly I got back in the dating saddle again and kind of went crazy, meeting all kinds of terrific women and having a lot of fun times and fun dates. And, I stopped blaming myself for everything that went wrong - Then, maybe a year after my divorce was finalized, I met the woman that became my second wife, and we've been together for 13 years now.
So, things can and will get better. I speak from experience.
Well said!
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)First of all, I'm sorry you're going through this, but the longer you let the clock tick on your legal marriage, the more she is entitled to in terms of any claims on your assets, job benefits, etc. In California, for instance, I think that a 10-year marriage entitles a spouse to claims of retirement benefits (among other things like spousal support, if I remember), and that is not reversible (as far as I know). It doesn't matter about all the relationship wrangling in between those 10 years. It's a legal benchmark. You might feel melancholy for her now, but what about when you're in a future long-term relationship and she's still around collecting spousal benefits because you didn't put an end to the legal time clock on your marriage. She may be calculating enough to let you twist while she sits back and runs the clock out for her benefit entitlements because she knows she still has you in her clutches. Why hasn't she filed for divorce if her life is so great with all those other men that she wanted to be with and you were so disposable? Things that make you go, hmmmm.
That's just a practical aspect, but as far as emotionally, it will do you good and will probably give you feelings of empowerment to take control of your life back and file the paperwork. Believe me, she will notice. You contradict yourself (very normal to have these ambivalent feelings about decisions such as these), but you say you know it's over, yet you're hoping that some day she will realize what she's losing. She obviously hasn't come to that realization on her own in the past four years, so it's unlikely that giving her more time is going to change that. The only way you'll really know the answer to that is if she does actually lose you. So lose her instead, since you've also said you realize that reconciling with her is not an option.
You'll find other relationships in time, but you can be sure that no one you meet will like that fact that you're still married. You have everything to gain by moving forward.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Keeping a wagon hitched to the past is just going to keep dragging one down both financially and emotionally.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Open up a separate bank account in your name only and change any direct deposit/payroll info to the new account. (I don't think you're allowed to close a joint account without consent if you're in the process of divorce)
If money is an issue for either of you, nothing would be worse than having to go pay your bills only to find your soon-to-be ex had emptied the joint account of all but a few dollars without telling you. (That happened to a guy that lived right near my brother - he woke up to find out his wife had left him and had emptied 50k out of their joint bank account...)
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)I discovered one important thing. Living well is indeed the best revenge! Of course it hurts. But it will fade in time. Get out there and make yourself a good, meaningful life. I know it is easier said than done but it CAN be done.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)She's the fool. Realize that...and move on. There are many women out here who would love to have a partner who understands that commitment is commitment and that cheating is not an option.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)Talking to a lawyer is the best start, for me the lawyer part was the reality of the situation and it created an ability to see it from a different perspective. Your lawyer looks at what you built and protects your interests in all of this, those folks giving you advice to get this done are right on the money.
You can't make someone love you my friend, but you can indeed make sure they don't get all of your stuff. Life does indeed go on, I am married for the second time to a great woman we have a nice home in the burbs of Western Massachusetts and we get to travel a bit....and life just seems easy and wonderful for almost 20 years now....
It gets better, get yourself moving and take care of yourself now. Get that lawyer and keep busy.
My best wishes for your quick recovery and for some new love in your life!