How many people here are like me, "mongrels?"

[Archae]

I ask this because Ted Nugent called Obama a "subhuman mongrel," when technically, most people in the US, and across the globe are mongrels.

I'm Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Irish, German and Russian.

Makes for quite an interesting face and body, that's for sure!

But there is one disadvantage to my heritage...

I keep invading myself!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. My dear Archae!

I too am a "mongrel."

English, Irish, Scottish, German, French, Swedish!

Mostly Swede.

And there's probably some others that I didn't see...

I like it!

[SCantiGOP]

61. If you are an American

Odds are very large that you are of mixed heritage. But don't worry, our ancestors were run out of some of the best countries in the world.

[ailsagirl]

63. Scottish, English here

Mostly Scottish

[RebelOne]

66. English, Irish and Scotish. But mostly Irish. n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

2. My family has always joked about our mongrel status.

I'm Swedish from my mother's side, but on my dad's side we have English, Irish, Scots, Cherokee and French that we know about. My children have spouses with Asian and Polynesian roots, so my grandchildren have even more diverse genetics. When we all get together we represent a wide range of hair color, eye color, complexion and body type.

[Archae]

6. My family does too.

My Mom used to joke about us kids being "Heinz 57" breeds.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Woof, woof.

Norwegian, German, Scottish, English, Irish, French, Swiss, and Spanish.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. oh lord. Maybe people will follow you around, too --

Some people take high offense to all this, yanno

I am a Mongrel with Seven Different Bloodlines. Proud To Be A Mongrel. Thank You Very Much!

Reminded of an old Elton John Tune ...

When are you gonna come down
When are you going to land
I should have stayed on the farm
I should have listened to my old man

You know you can't hold me forever
I didn't sign up with you
I'm not a present for your friends to open
This boy's too young to be singing the blues

So goodbye yellow brick road
Where the dogs of society howl
You can't plant me in your penthouse
I'm going back to my plough

Back to the howling old owl in the woods
Hunting the horny back toad
Oh I've finally decided my future lies
Beyond the yellow brick road

What do you think you'll do then
I bet that'll shoot down your plane
It'll take you a couple of vodka and tonics
To set you on your feet again

Maybe you'll get a replacement
There's plenty like me to be found
Mongrels who ain't got a penny
Sniffing for tidbits like you on the ground

So goodbye yellow brick road
Where the dogs of society howl
You can't plant me in your penthouse
I'm going back to my plough

Back to the howling old owl in the woods
Hunting the horny back toad
Oh I've finally decided my future lies
Beyond the yellow brick road

[No Vested Interest]

5. Thanks, Archae! Don't you think we ought to let Ted Nugent

know, as well as our President?

[CherokeeDem]

7. Mongrel here!

Scottish, Swedish, English, and Cherokee.


And lol for this.... I keep invading myself! Great line!!!!

[pinboy3niner]

8. Proud Irish/Welsh mongrel here!

And btw Fuck Ted Nugent!

[nolabear]

10. I knew we were cousins, ya bastid.

[pinboy3niner]

13. I'll drink to that!

Oops--did I give away our secret?

[nolabear]

9. I had a DNA test done. I'm CERTIFIED mongrel!

Northern European, (certainly Welsh and Irish) a teensy either Arab Peninsula or Iran, a scoche Scandinavian from when the Vikings did their viking of the British Isles, a smattering of French or German, Choctaw by family history but undetermined by DNA, and 3.1 per cent Neanderthal!!

And Ted Nugent can kiss my fluffy mongrel ass.

[pinboy3niner]

15. We knew you were certifiable

That's just not the way we expected.

[laundry_queen]

17. Can I ask about the DNA test?

Like how to go about it? I'm very curious about whether or not I have any Native/First Nations in me...basically I'm 1/4 French Canadian and we can trace our ancestors back to among the first to arrive in Quebec...someone told me very few people who can trace back that far don't have some Native blood, so I'm just curious about where/how to get the DNA test done, how much it costs, how specific it is, etc.

[sarge43]

23. Genographic, sponsored by National Geographic Society, is one good choice

It cost $200 and it's quite specific. My material Haplogroup is V, a recent mutation that occurred in the Pyrenees about 15K years ago. The Vs got around. I have distant cousins in western Ireland and among the Basques, Berbers and Saami. I have a higher than average percentage, for European ancestry, of Western Asian and Mediterranean DNA. Two percent each of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA. Pretty specific.

I assume from your name you're female. With women only the material line can be traced. A near male relative's DNA tells you what Dad's people were up to. Father or brother is best.

[laundry_queen]

26. Sounds very cool. Thanks.

The information I'm looking to get is on my mother's side, so that's good, but I'm sure I could convince my dad or brother to help out if I change my mind Thanks again for the info...very helpful.

[sarge43]

29. Happy to help.

Here's its online addy.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com

They're currently knocking $40 off the price. So now would be a good time to order.

[pipi_k]

36. I'd like to do that too because

like you, I'm French Canadian, although a larger proportion, like 75% or more.

I have one verified Dutch ancestor (four or five generations back) and a Portugese ancestor (maybe 9 or 10 generations back), both on my father's side. There's also some question about a First Nations ancestor, and I've read the same thing, that for people whose family arrived in Canada very early, most of them were men, and a lot of them took up with the native women, which was partly what prompted Louis XIV to send some 800 "filles du roi" to Canada.

But, so the story goes, if one has ancestors far back enough in Canada, there's a pretty good possibility of First Nations ancestry someplace.

My mom's side is almost a complete mystery (except for the French/Canadian connection), so I'd like to check that out as well.

[laundry_queen]

46. I really have to look up more Canadian history

They put it in the 8th grade curriculum - right when I wasn't paying attention and had my worst year at school (I was generally a straight A student but grade 8 social studies I got a 56%. yikes.) I'll have to look up the Filles du Roi....I'm not sure exactly when our family came over - I'll have to ask my uncle who did our geneology and traced that part of the family back to 16th century France. He must know when exactly they came over (I remember hearing sometime in the 1600's).

Even though I'm technically only 1/4 French Canadian, that is the culture I mostly grew up in...I speak French, went to French immersion school, grew up in a French community, my relatives on my mother's side all speak French as their first language, I was baptized Roman Catholic...so I feel the closest to that part of my ancestry I guess. It's also the part of the family I know the most about (thanks to aforementioned uncle) but the 'family tree' doesn't tell you if anyone was First nations or if they had any First nations ancestors. I'm hoping this genetic stuff may answer that question.

[pipi_k]

53. Yeah, one big problem

with finding First Nations ancestors is that sometimes they took/were given French names and when you go to look for their ancestors, there's a dead end.

I asked for (and got for Xmas) "The Illustrated History of Canada" that I'm looking forward to reading soon. I've done some very rudimentary reading on Canadian history, and want to learn more...both because they're so close to where I live, and the majority of my family came from there. Nice to know where ya come from...

I wasn't as immersed within the French community as you were, even though my relatives nearly all ended up marrying French Canadians themselves...at least up to the early 1970s anyway.

[nolabear]

38. Yes, but I'd advise waiting a bit. I did it through 23andMe.

Simple spit-in-the-tube method, a very thorough web site, lots of wonderful information, but the reason I'd wait is that shortly after I got my test done they got into a tiff with the FDA, who I think wants a piece of the pie, and now they only give you ancestry and not genetic markers for disease and traits. That will come back once they come to some sort of agreement.

I found out all sorts of very accurate medical propensities (in fact the family has dealt with lots of what they say we have elevated markers for) as well as, delightfully, NO marker for such lousy things as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's (and of course we have no family members with either).

As to ancestry, they give you your results and explain how they most likely got that way. We "Neanderthals" are particularly smug.

There's a lot of debate re Native American ancestry, since quite a few people have apocrypha that isn't supported. In my case it's a great great grandmother who isn't apocrypha; my father knew her well and the family all told stories about her herbal medicines and how she helped them. Others have the same story. I'm waiting out the debate to see.

The test is $99. Well worth it, I'd say.

[laundry_queen]

44. Thanks for that

Apparently they still give you the information about ancestry but not health information. That's fine with me, I don't really want the health stuff, but I still may get it because I'm in Canada and the FDA has no say over here...I'll have to check it out if they even accept Canadian customers first.

[TexasBushwhacker]

57. I'm definitely a mutt

I'm English, Scottish, Irish, German, Czech and 1/8 Cherokee.

[elleng]

11. We all are.

Discussed this with my daughter recently, who just gave birth.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

12. Northern mongrel

Officially Norwegian, German, and Latvian, but we know that there's some French in the background--some ancestors escaped to Germany during the persecution of the Huguenots. Also, with the Vikings taking captives to Norway, I have some relatives who look suspiciously Celtic (black hair and freckles), and since every band of marauders came through Latvia (Russians, Germans, Swedes, Poles) and the Latvian ancestors were peasants, who knows what the story is there.

[Lionel Mandrake]

14. The idea that mongrels are inferior to purebreds

has led to all kinds of mischief. Hitler subscribed to this idea. He supposed that the "mongrelized" US would be no match for the racially "pure" Japan in WW2. Thus he welcomed the attack on Pearl Harbor and could hardly wait to show solidarity with Japan by declaring war on the US.

Churchill also welcomed the entry of Japan and the US into WW2. He knew that having the US as an ally outweighed having Japan as an enemy.

We humans are mostly mongrels because our mating has seldom been controlled by government enforced racist policies. Even when such policies were on the books in the US (under the so-called anti-miscegenation laws) they were not very effective.

[laundry_queen]

16. Present.

Ukrainian (half! That almost makes me a purebred, right? lol), French Canadian, German and Hungarian. My kids also have that plus Russian, Estonian, Roma, more Ukrainian and German and a bitty bit of 'we don't know'.

[LiberalEsto]

39. Hi fellow Esto-Ukrainian!

I'm 3/4 Estonian, 1/4 Ukrainian, but I suspect there's a lot of other stuff mixed in.

[struggle4progress]

18. pure mongrel here

[JoeyT]

19. I'm such a mutt I don't even know what half of it is.

I'm roughly half Native American, but a mix of three tribes, so I don't really identify with any specific one. The other half(ish) is a mixture of pretty much absolutely everything. It's possible that if you travel far enough into a remote enough jungle, you'll find a long lost people that have been so totally isolated from the outside world that my family didn't mingle genes with them, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[loli phabay]

20. i am as far as can be told as someone stated in the thread purebred

no one as far as can be told has been married or sired outside of our ethnic group as far back as can be remembered. no idea if its a good or bad thing as it goes.

[TreasonousBastard]

21. Near as I can tell, I'm mostly German, but...

the truth is that I really don't give a rat's ass where my ancestors came from.

Can't credit them for any good I do or blame them for the bad. It's all on me now.

[hermetic]

22. We may all be mongrels but

Nugent is a cur!


noun
1. a mongrel dog, especially a worthless or unfriendly one.
2. a mean, cowardly person.

And I'd post that on his FB page if I could.

[dipsydoodle]

24. We're all mongrels.

.

[sarge43]

25. Some fun facts for the Nug

The only group of people on this planet who could be considered "racially pure" are members of Haplogroup L3 still living in our ancestral homeland, East Africa. The rest of us, not so much. DNA doesn't give a rodent's hindquarters about the color of the package; it just wants to make more DNA - love the one you're with and so forth.

Every human being is a descendent of a small very dark skinned woman living in East Africa about 180K years ago. Nug would no doubt call her the N word, but she's still our, all of us, great etc grandmother.

Most people of European and Asian ancestry have a small percentage of Neanderthal genes. That probably makes Nug a - wait for it - 'subhuman mongrel'. Pot, meet kettle; kettle, pot.

He really should STFU.

[Ron Obvious]

27. I don't know

Seeing as how I was left on the church's doorstep in a basket and... Oh no, wait, that was somebody else.

[Jokerman]

28. Hell, I'd need a DNA test just to know which ethnic stereotypes to be offended by.

The German, Irish, and Jewish ancestors are just the ones we know about. My mom's family tree has a few question marks.

One of her favorite phrases was, "It takes a lot of different kinds of people to make up the world." When I grew up I realized that she wasn't just talking about everyone else, she was talking about our family as well.

[frogmarch]

30. East Indian, English, French

German and maybe Neanderthal.

[Xyzse]

31. Heck, I'm an Asian mix with German ancestry.

[B Calm]

32. Dutch and Eastern Kentucky hillbilly.

[antiquie]

51. Ah but what mix of Eastern Kentucky hillbilly?

My mother called herself Okie and hillbilly, and that mix is English-Irish and lots of Unknown (can't be traced out of the US).
My father was first-generation American-Lebanese. Tracing my mother's family is more interesting.

[B Calm]

56. All I remember is that my mother's family was from Mt Sterling area and

to get to Aunt Mary Bell's house where she lived with her nine barefoot children, dad had to drive his 54 Ford down dried up creek beds.

[pink-o]

33. Hey, Teddy Boy! You're a mongrel too! Otherwise, you'd be black.

Because all human life started in Africa. White skin is a mutation that happened after our species started migrating north and needed to absorb more sunlight for the Vitamin D.

So the purest human--the one closest to our origins without mixed blood--comes from Africa.



As for me, I'm not only mixed, but I'm also LOWEST of the LOW on the Totem. I'm Ashkenazi Jew (which in the original Ghetto in Venice was the bottom of the pond after Sephardic) and my Celtic blood is Irish. Scottish, Cornish, Breton and Welsh are higher in the pecking order. So that makes me a peasant through and through. And damn proud of it!

Mixed, mongrels, mutts: we are the strongest, most enduring of them all. My Ashkenazi family all live into their 90s and don't lose their brain power. I am 59 and have no health problems. Whereas Blue Bloods all end up with genetic disorders like Queen Victoria's family and their hemophilia. Brought down the Russian monarchy, that did. So mixed is best!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

34. Mongrel reporting.

Family Joke is that if you take a DNA scan you will find the UN General Assembly!

[Aristus]

35. I like how so many here have not allowed white supremacists to define them as 'white'

when it is so much more complex than that.

The haters would say that being white is good enough, and better than being anything else. We 'mongrels' are asserting that we are the products of disparate nations, cultures, creeds, and societies, and have a right to be proud of all of them for reasons other than mere skin color.

I'm a mongrel of English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh and French ancestry.

When asked to define my ancestry, I reply simply "I'm a Celt."

(With a smidge of Anglo-Saxon, but no one needs to know that... )

[pipi_k]

37. Mongrel-ness...

French Canadian with a teeny bit of Dutch, another teeny bit of Portugese, a bit of English/Scots (descended from a survivor of the Deerfield, MA massacre) and perhaps some M'ik Maq.

That's dad's side


Mom's side...French Canadian and who all knows what.



Oh, and a bit of wolf/German Shepherd/coyote mix

[sharp_stick]

40. I'm half German and half Scottish

so I'm always trying to take over Europe on a strict budget.

[sarge43]

41. "I keep invading myself!"

Snerk. My husband (half Russian) and I (mainly German) joke that it may be a good thing we didn't have kids else they would be invading Poland all the time.

[Arcanetrance]

42. I'm Jewish and Italian

[pink-o]

47. What was it Bill Mahr said?

"Being half-Jewish and half Catholic: I went to confession, but I brought my lawyer with me."

[Arcanetrance]

48. Lol something like that

I remember I saw a comedy once called My mothers Italian my fathers Jewish and I'm in therapy

[Populist_Prole]

43. Proud strutting mongrel. Up the melting pot!

Half Italian / Half Russian & Swedish. What's funny is my brothers, sisters and me have such a disparate smattering of the physical and mental traits of the 3 ethnic roots.

[DFW]

45. Eastern European mongrel here

Pole, Russians, German Jews, who knows who else was in the mix back then?

My paternal grandfather was from Charleston, SC and worked his way through Harvard as a janitor. For a while, he was even deputy mayor of New York City. My mom's side is murky, as her grandfather was some obscure failed Mississippi Riverboat gambler who fled to New York to escape his debts. Some of the family stayed in the north. Some, like my branch returned south before my generation was born.

[NewJeffCT]

49. Polish, Italian and Sicilian

so, my daughter is Polish, Italian, Sicilian and Chinese.

[mainer]

50. Can one really be a mongrel with just one race?

Or do you have to be mixed race?

Either way, hybrid vigor rules!

[geardaddy]

52. Proud to be a mongrel

English, Welsh, Scot-Irish, maybe Dutch. Mostly English and Welsh.

[MrScorpio]

54. African, Irish and Cherokee

All in!

[Walk away]

55. My Irish Grandfather found my Grandmother on a garbage pile...

in Russia when she was a young and starving teenager. The ancestral twist was, his Grandfather was a Civil War battlefield surgeon of German and Huguenot extraction who moved to Dublin after the war to marry and raise thirteen children. My Garbage Pile Grandma does not remember her family but she believes they were Jewish.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

58. All American Mutt

3/4 English, 1/8 German, 3/32 Swedish, 1/32 African (probably Algerian - kidnapped and enslaved by the French and freed by the Swedes)

[Prophet 451]

59. *waves*

I'm British in the sense that I was born and live in Britain but ethnically, I'm 3/4 English and 1/4 Romani (gypsy).

[Blue_Tires]

60. The only subhuman mongrels I've ever seen play for the Boston Bruins

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

62. Audrey Hepburn

was born in Belgium of a father of Bohemian/Austrian descent and a mother of Dutch descent and was a British subject. Someone who was adored by millions as one of the most elegant and refined persons who ever lived was a mongrel.

[whistler162]

64. Me not so much.....

mostly Swedish on both sides. My fathers maternal grandmother was of Finnish-Swede, like Linus Torvald, ancestry and his maternal grandfather said he was part French or Portuguese or Flemish, the story varied.

Well technically his father could claim Russian, Danish and Swedish ancestry since the island, Gotland, he was born on changed hands a few times.

Also who knows who my ancestors picked up while plundering and pillaging when they went a viking!

[Wolf Frankula]

65. I'm an erdi odol

Mother's people are Navarrese Basques. Father's people were Scots from the eastern border. There's probably some sheep in there too.

Wolf

[a la izquierda]

67. Irish, Scottish,

Italian, French and Spanish. My mom's family only acknowledges the Italian part. Meh. I just want an Italian or Irish passport so I can work in the EU with ease.