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IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:04 PM Dec 2013

I've been threatened with violence - oh, my!

Regarding the illegal business a neighbor 2 doors down started in our residential neighborhood. Which I mentioned in a previous post. The matter will be addressed at Thursday night's town council meeting, for which I have as usual prepared a written statement. I find that reading aloud instead of speaking extemporaneously helps me be far more concise and even-tempered.

In a long conversation with another concerned neighbor, I found out that the wife had essentially called me an ungrateful wretch for not appreciating "all that's been done for me in the past" as if I hadn't paid them well for every bit of it, even asking them first for some things because I knew they needed the $ so badly. But without mentioning my name, she wrote on her FB page that if I ever step foot on their property again, she'll punch me out.

I no longer have one shred of sympathy for that couple. They had indeed always been polite with me, and as the town outlier I never heard from others about how they've really been behaving. Apparently they've managed to scare quite a few people. I knew that the man who bought the house between us 2 years after I moved here is a bully (thank goodness he moved!), as well as one of those 'citizen militia' guys who play soldier in the woods on weekends and plot armed overthrow of the federal government. But I didn't know the two guys were close buddies, and that the one with the illegal business is also involved in the alleged 'Patriots'.

So I laughed and told the neighbor I was visiting over the fence with that even a big woman like Pam would have a hard time landing a blow on me, especially when I'm forewarned! because even at my age I haven't forgot everything I learned at a full contact dojo in Los Angeles. I never made it to black belt because we moved, but as a shorty I know I have an actual advantage over a larger person. Especially a big woman about twice as wide (and slow) as she ought to be.

The visiting neighbor said I should tell our alderman about the FB page with the threat, but I'm not going to until I persuade someone with access to that FB page to snatch me a copy. Otherwise Pam might take it down and I'd never have proof. Anyway, I want to read it.

That sort of thing does make a lot of people back down, especially women alone. But I was taught to lean in and my reaction's different. It actually emboldens me. I already know from talking to my alderman that the entire board's against what's happened. He told me that a home business license was indeed granted, but since the application was under false pretenses - claiming it was only temporary and for 1 or 2 vehicles to be worked on of an evening - invalidates it immediately. I also learned that the owner had been warned that if any neighbors complained, he'd have to quit. The appeals process for a variance can be quite expensive and the neighbors would then be invited by registered letter to voice their concerns in private. So I know the answer would be negative.

And yes, I'm just the sort to voice my objections openly at every step of the way. So nobody will get any peace until mine's restored. I kept quiet when the guy started driving a semi home at night since he at least parked it off street and I knew they were on the verge of losing their home. But since then he's gone to work for 2 different places in town and got fired from both for, you guessed it - bullying and laziness on top of it. So I have zero sympathy left. I made an L.A. police chief back down in public and I'm not afraid of this local bully either. Yes, I recognize the danger but I've always in my heart fiercely castigated people who enable them, so I have no excuse for rolling over either.

When the council reaches even an initial decision, I'll post it here - if I'm able.

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IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
3. Since it's a restricted page, I don't have access. But I've fairly begged the person who saw it to
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013

do that for me and send me a copy. Just in case. Bullies have threatened me with all sorts of mayhem all my life, and a few have even tried to carry out various and sundry threats. But they never succeeded, and I don't intend to let them start now.

And I'd pay actual cash $ for a screenshot of that post. If it gets taken down, it will still be available to LEOs if needed, she should know that.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
4. You bet. I've already alerted certain people where to look if I ever turn up missing or
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:20 PM
Dec 2013

come to any sort of harm. These people can be savage, but at least I'd have the satisfaction of knowing they probably wouldn't get away with anything. Besides the fact that it's always a severe error of judgment to back me into a corner.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
8. I'm seldom w/o it. And strictly inside my home, that's not all I have up my sleeve either.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:55 PM
Dec 2013

Those people know it, too.

If they or any of their pack ever broke in my house when I'm not home, they'd never find it.

My two current dogs are no protection per se, but they bark. That's all the help I need.

 

newcriminal

(2,190 posts)
6. You sure have changed your tune
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:09 PM
Dec 2013

"There's a wonderful youngish couple down on the corner; good family etc."

now: "I'm not afraid of this local bully either."

"Anyway, he was gone from home so much that he took a job as a mechanic at a local shop in the BUSINESS district, and everything seemed fine until the owners were killed in a motorcycle accident and he was out of work again. Not his
fault. "


now: "But since then he's gone to work for 2 different places in town and got fired from both for, you guessed it - bullying and laziness on top of it."

I find these words offensive: "even a big woman like Pam" "Especially a big woman about twice as wide (and slow) as she ought to be."


Maybe you should reconsider getting involved. Just my 2 cents.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
7. Don't YOU find the phrase 'changed your tune' rather offensive?
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:37 PM
Dec 2013

I found out the truth and admitted I'd been under a misimpression, or that the person had changed under his own burdens - which I now understand were self imposed, therefore my sympathy was withdrawn.

And massively large people have been known to use their size to try to intimidate others. Say they never do and I'll know you've never been near a school yard. God forbid we should admit to human nature and bald facts! I am indeed a descriptive writer, but I stick to the truth as best known to me at the time because I'm a professional. Would you have me omit a crucial part of the equation? Have you yourself never been misled at all by anyone? Tell me that and I'll laugh myself sick while you keep whistling in the dark.

You went to a certain amount of trouble to throw stones. Then you turn around and say I should reconsider getting involved? That advice is worth as much as the rest of what you've said. Shall I enable a couple of bullies by rolling over for them when they bark? Get real.

I didn't start this fight. They did by breaking the law just as surely as if they'd robbed their neighbors at gunpoint. I may not be immediately as privy to certain personal history as people who've lived here all their lives, but when I do find out - watch out. I appreciate the timely warning the other neighbor gave me, but I don't owe you or anyone else an ounce of apology.

 

newcriminal

(2,190 posts)
9. No, I don't.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:55 PM
Dec 2013

One day they are wonderful, and the very next day they are bullies.

Before you involve yourself, and perhaps be a big part in a young family losing their home, I suggest you think about it.

If you can change your mind so quickly, you could just as quickly change it back.

Again this is just my advice, didn't ask for an apology.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
10. Look, the people in this tiny town in the middle of nowhere have been at each other's throats
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:21 PM
Dec 2013

for over 200 years. It's full of old families that shot at each other before, during, and after the Civil War. Most people have never been over 100 miles away in their entire lives, and they have no interest in anything outside their immediate reach. The one characteristic virtually all share is extreme xenophobia. When a damnYankee Yellow Dog Democrat plops herself down in their midst for the sole sake of affordable retirement, the town secrets don't unfold immediately.

This latest underbelly show took almost 8 years to reveal itself to me, common knowledge though it was to everyone else. I have little idea as to why the couple in question was formerly cordial to me, unless it had to do with the fact that I occasionally engaged the husband's repair services at a price.

What I do know beyond a doubt is that his recent behavior has been toxic. On top of engaging in a blatantly illegal business based on its location, in the last few days I've heard him yelling at people. It was beyond stupid for them to blow so much $ at something he knew or should've known would never fly. Now he's even taken out an ad on the local radio station saying the business is open 24 hours a day! If these people crash and burn, it will be on their own heads, not mine.

The alderman for our section is just as aghast and opposed as I am. I've had confirmation from several different sources now as to the couple's behavior the last several years at least. The fact that I didn't know about it until now doesn't mean I'm rushing to judgment. Or that I'm flip flopping. As a person still learning her way among the thicket of local feuds, I had warm feelings toward a couple who then betrayed that conditional, provisional trust I'd extended. I'm not the only person who's been threatened either.

Our alderman, native to the area, has said he will find out who does have access to that FB page and have them capture a screen shot (if the post hasn't been removed already) because he doesn't like the idea of threats either. I know that if anything ever did happen to me, he'd see to it that justice was done. We're essentially political opposites, but we're both aware of sufficient commonality that I have reason to trust him - provisionally and conditionally always.

Even that level of trust is so sacred that betrayal of principle deserves any backlash that comes its way. As I've written in my statement prepared for tonight's meeting, I don't intend to be sacrificed on the altar of Mammon for anyone.

If you insist on believing in the relative innocence of people who've done what that couple has brazenly done, you're asking me to react in a manner which I seriously doubt you'd do yourself under the same circumstances. At least I hope you wouldn't.

In other words, talk is cheap.

 

newcriminal

(2,190 posts)
11. Yes, these evildoers should be run out.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:48 PM
Dec 2013

And, it sounds like you are acting rationally to be scared for your life. I sure am glad you told so many what to do if you go missing. This people sound like no good murderers. Have fun at your town meeting tonight. I hope you bring witnesses. Oh, I forgot you can whip their wide asses.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
12. Well, actually I could do that - but I restrained my wilder instincts.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:19 PM
Dec 2013

And if you don't think paramilitary secessionist militias are a problem, why don't you take that up with the SPLC and other human rights organizations? Maybe they could straighten you out.

Or do you yourself really trust people who make threats of violence on FB? If so, I've got a bridge, baby, and I'll let it go cheap, just for you. Midnight special only.

Actually I was reasonably pleased at how the meeting went tonight. Although I'm really more than done with you and cannot exactly whip out the welcome mat, I'm going to do another OP on what happened. Of course you can mosquito me there too, but don't count on a pleasant answer if any at all.

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