So does anyone else wish JJ Abrams never touched Star Trek

[Arcanetrance]

I was having this conversation with a friend and we disagree personally he feels he made star trek relevant again. While I believe he ruined star trek by turning it into another modern action flick just set in space.

[onehandle]

1. That's exactly how my wife feels.

He pretty much discarded the spiritual socialism of the Star Trek universe.

I admit I enjoyed both films, but as action films, not Star Trek mythos.

She saw the first one and refused to see the second.

[Arcanetrance]

2. I saw the first and didn't see the second til like a week ago a friend brought it over

[MrMickeysMom]

11. As far as the spiritual socialism of Star Trek...

… you couldn't beat The Next Generation.

It covered damn near everything. The movies coming out should shift into gear with those story lines, but who am I kidding?

[progressoid]

3. It's hard to find Sci Fi today that isn't an action flick.

To be fair though, I think Star Trek was drifting that way when TNG brought in the Borg to some extent.

[Bill Lermer]

4. I certainly do. Modern Trek...blech.

[Behind the Aegis]

5. Personally, I liked the movies.

Most movies, especially sci-fi, are going to be more action packed in order to keep audiences happy. Given that a new mythology has been created, I can see new series being launched on TV that will have more of the original flair, but under the new mythos. My only problem is there are still no gays! Pigs in space? YUP! Jews in space? Oh yeah! Gays? What's a gay?

[Arcanetrance]

6. I had to with the jews in space

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[Behind the Aegis]

7. That, of course, was what I was referencing.

One of my favorite movies, and that bit just tickles me.

[Arcanetrance]

8. But in all seriousness you're right the lack of Gay characters is wrong

[Behind the Aegis]

9. It is a plague among almost all genres.

Even in this day and age, most of the time, we are still treated as an "issue" rather than an actual human. Last week, the OK paper's TV guide insert had a picture of the cast of "Modern Family"; guess who was missing? Granted a few shows can be OK with it, but most of the time, it seems we are still relegated to "After school special" status. Hell, some people lose their fucking minds when it is even suggested that newly written mythos should include making lead characters gay (search LBN for "Spiderman gay" and "Dr. Who gay", it will be quite eye-opening.

[Arcanetrance]

10. It's ridiculous I know my niece has been really angry at that show supernatural

Because what she feels is queer baiting

[Behind the Aegis]

12. We love that show!

I fell it plays into the real life situations on the web in regards to the characters and the slash fiction created around them. In no way would I say it is "queer baiting." In all honesty, I can't even see it. I'd be interested to know why she thinks this. They have handled GLBT issues in funny ways, so I guess that might be it, but there are many more shows which are worse given we aren't even mentioned, and if we are, it is as I said earlier, it is a "special" episode. Even "Glee" kind of goes back and forth sometimes between normalcy and "special."

[Arcanetrance]

14. I really haven't kept up with supernatural since like season 3

She felt that they created a special dynamic between castiel and Dean that pointed to them having feelings for each other. I personally never watched glee so I don't know much about the characters in it.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. That is true about the "relationship" between Cas and Dean.

We love it! The actors know they have a huge gay male following. Quite frankly, I think it shows the complex nature of friendship among men, including the possibility of the development of sexual attraction. There is LOTS of slash fan fiction on-line about it. As for "Glee," they introduced a transgender student and have actually done well with the character.

[Arcanetrance]

17. I promised my niece I'd catch up on supernatural. But sadly I've been lost in a 90s Sci fi kick

So maybe I'll get the point of what she was saying about the writers doing that when I catch up. As far as Glee I congratulate them for introducing a transgendered character. It's funny as a kid I always questioned how it was normal to live in a world where people just broke out into song and dance. Now I'm older and interestingly enough I find myself doing it alot especially when cooking.

[Agschmid]

23. Hmmm...

I need to pay more attention apparently!

[Behind the Aegis]

25. You should check out some the slash fiction. Oh boy!

There are lots of "glances" and clever innuendos. My partner and I just giggle. I love watching interviews with them because they clown around and they know what the audience thinks, so it makes it funnier to me.

[Demo_Chris]

13. Me. He did a few things right, but seriously screwed up a lot of other things. nt

[OriginalGeek]

16. I'm not a JJ fan at all

I think he blows up too much stuff in every movie. And I love blowing stuff up. But I love Star Trek so much I sadly take whatever I can get in most any form. Abrams Trek doesn't feel very Trekkie but it's trekkier than no Trek.

[Arcanetrance]

19. I was personally hoping for some DS9 movies at some point even if they went the made for TV route

like Babylon 5

[fizzgig]

24. i would be all over a ds9 movie

i love me some sisko

[Arcanetrance]

26. I was hoping they'd do a series of movies showing DS9 after sisko plus eventually showing his return

[fizzgig]

28. count me in

i'd love that

[lunamagica]

18. Me! As soon as I saw Uhura and Spock kissing in front of everyone

So out of character for them.

As a little girl I always admired Uhura. She was composed, and all class...I couldn't stand NuUhura and her 'tude

Never bothered to see the second one

[Arcanetrance]

20. Yeah that was wrong and made me angry on many levels

[Llewlladdwr]

21. Yes.

Frankly I have had about all the JJ Abrams I can take.

[Arcanetrance]

22. Lol you and me both

I'm glad i'm not a star wars fan

[jakeXT]

27. Aren't the writers responsible for that ?

[Rob H.]

29. Didn't mind the movies, but he sure as hell needs to get over his lens flare fetish

It wasn't distracting the first time I saw the first one in the theater, but when I re-watched it at home the lens flare stood out like a sore thumb. (He did the same thing in Super 8, which kept me from liking it as much as I otherwise might have.)

[Arcanetrance]

30. Yeah I'm beyond sick of lens flare

[warrprayer]

31. original Star Trek was art

new one is a cartoon

[Xyzse]

32. Edit... No, I'm fine with it.

I was wishing they took Brad Bird instead. The guy who did Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. He has an amazing sense of depth and perspective...

---On Edit--- I thought you meant Star Wars.