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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsA little rant: I HATE it when people greet your good news with tales of disaster.
I happen to have some nice possibilities opening up to me in my writing. It's fun to talk about but there are some people who immediately go to that "Let me tell you about someone in your position who had something terrible happen" or "Don't get your hopes up because it's not likely to come through" (in detail) or "I was in a similar situation and let me tell you how awful it was." It seems they're just bound and determined to haul out every disaster or prediction of painful experience they can. I'm sick of sitting politely and having to decide whether to defend myself, tell them to STFU or listen to their self-absorbed doom and gloom diatribes.I remember the same thing from 1) when I was pregnant and 2) every diet I have ever been on. It's why I don't like diet programs that involve groups and why I don't do group therapy. I don't like the rabbit holes people go down and it's a constant effort to encourage people to tell and honor their stories but not to use them to drag one another down. If you tell them you've been successful all too often you get "I tried that and it didn't last" or "Be careful. I heard about someone who did that and they met with XYZ disaster."
For Christ's sake, the world could use a LOT more encouragement and faith in happy outcomes and simple pleasure in one another's achievements! It doesn't make us naive and it doesn't make us too dumb to recognize that there are caveats out there to be happy about things.
Thanks. Had to get that off my chest. Have a fine, successful, enjoyable, relaxed Saturday, Lounge.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)otherwise known as marshing your mellow? ask them that and then
ask them if they would like a nice cup of STFU
and then move on to someone that can relate and be happy with and for you.
I am just full of pithy advice today ... all for fee
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Yes, I've had that happen to me, and yes it is infernally annoying. Whether dieting, work achievements, or any other attempt to arrest the normal problems of middle age. In my case I have a friend that takes it a step further: He damned near wishes I will fail or run in to the same problems he did, no doubt to make his own self-induced ( due to laziness, lack of willpower, and stubborn-ness ) difficulties seem more widespread than they actually are.
elleng
(130,974 posts)Some people appear to have the 'negative' gene, or something. (Happens that my close friend, 'SO,' appears to be one of these.) So I come up with an idea, or a possible solution for a problem, and problems have abounded in my life in recent months, and the negative kicks in.
Think I'll head out!
Chin up, nolabear!!!
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Some people are just so petty.
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Joe Shlabotnik
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(5,946 posts)There are some people who are worriers and I have to keep them up and positive and then there are some people who tend to get over excited about small things and then are very disappointed when it does not turn out to be the greatest thing in the world - for those people, I try to keep them in reality. Like a friend who certainly acts like a manic depressive and bounces between everyone hates them, they should just end it and ai have tickets to the Jeremy Lin movie,I am going to meet him and get his autograph and show it to all my friends and get to know him and and and and .... I tried to contain her a bit so I said that I HOPE she meets him, but no to be disappointed if there are a lot of people there and he can't meet everyone.
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RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I'm not the most optimistic person, but I'm happy when good things happen to those that deserve it.
Congratulations to you!
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)since I do not pretend to be the arbiter of who is deserving and who is not.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I'm not happy for politicians who get elected that want to infringe on women's reproductive rights, shove their religion down my throat and screw most of the country out of spite.
I wasn't happy for George Zimmerman either.
I could go on, but I need another cup of coffee and then go play with my voodoo dolls.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)bluesbassman
(19,374 posts)Let's face it, life is tough for just about everybody and some people take the cuts and bruises very personally. Because they have been hurt, defeated, etc., and have fallen into a self defensive internal coping strategy they feel that everyone else should feel that way too. I don't believe that by and large most of these individuals are mean spirited, it's just that they have lost their optimistic spark, and I guess their form of emotional self preservation is so automatic that they feel others need it too.
It's sad really as I've known some very bright and talented people who, as the result of unfortunate circumstances/decisions/disasters, fell into this way of thinking and because of it continue to live lives devoid of the joy and happiness that otherwise should be theirs.
Soapbox psych 101 off now.
Congrats on your writing opportunities, and knock 'em out of the park! I know you will.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I got me to thinking. Everyone I know like that is that way for pretty much the reason you say, not that they are mean spirited as such. Compared to me, they all led rather charmed lives and the "cuts and bruises" of life really rattle them, whereas I just shrug them off I'm so used to them. This seems to irritate them and they're all too happy to remind me I'll soon feel just like them....and they get mad when that doesn't happen.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)envious because something they wanted badly, didn't work out. So they don't want it to
work out for your either.
I said the other day, for every person who will build you up, there's at least 10 who want to
tear you down.
Seek out and cherish those who DO build you up.
antiquie
(4,299 posts)I have one in my life, too. I am happy for you, nolabear!
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)but I have this friend of a friend of a friend who was that way and here's what happened.......
Just kidding!
I don't really care for the Debbie Downers either.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)I'm generally a pretty good self sustainer, but had a bout of this last night and was reminded how much I hate it. I remember being SHOCKED when I was pregnant how many people wanted to tell me horror stories of awful pregnancies, unbelievable labors, etc. Fortunately I was pretty pragmatic and actually pretty much enjoyed the whole thing...and had an hour and a half labor with the first kid. LOL!
olddots
(10,237 posts)which I admit I fall into .We are so overwhelmed with the news cycle of disaster and fear that we don't find pleasure in others fortune .Fortune meaning when something goes well for a person , we see so much inequality and inequity that we get into a cynical cycle = seeing the " I got mine fuck you " crowd of 1%ers makes me attack success and I hate doing that .
I agree with you 100% now how do we get out of this state of doom & gloom appropriately ????
nolabear
(41,987 posts)In all honesty I probably can get into cynicism when I think someone is being successful as a result of doing someone else harm, and I agree that we hear so much bad news (and from a psychological standpoint that always makes more of an impression on us) that we can get stuck in that mentality. I'm pretty sure I celebrate with people when they have good things going on, but that might be an offshoot of my therapy training and realizing how much it actually generates more success and satisfaction, not only in them but in me. And that's lagniappe (N.O. speak for "a little extra something" for both of us.
JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)to get them the F##K outta my life( the nay sayers, the Debbie Downers)
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I guess we all know people like that and have encountered similar tales of doom and gloom.
Best of luck on your writing prospects! Hope it works out for you!
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laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Didn't matter what you wanted to be, or what you wanted to do, she would come up with all the ways in which you sucked too much to do what you wanted to do or be what you wanted to be. Horror stories were something she enjoyed recounting. My ex called her the 'dream killer'.
She's still like that. She never looks on the bright side of anything that might happen to you. When my ex first left me and I moved away, I randomly bought a lotto ticket and won $75. I told my mom maybe it was a sign. She freaked out and started talking about gambling addictions and how I would have to watch myself. Um, I'm sure one lotto ticket in a year will do it.
I'm getting close to finishing my degree (less than a year of f/t courses, but I'm doing it p/t because I'm a single mom who is short on time...) and the closer I get the more she harps on me for 'dreaming' and 'not working' and 'not being realistic' and 'expecting my ex to pay my way'. Well, I'm sorry I quit a well-paying bank job to raise OUR kids, he SHOULD pay, lord knows he makes enough money! Gawd.
Some people just enjoy putting other people's dreams down. Makes them feel better. And it can rub off on you if you are raised like that. I was like that as a teen and young adult but I realized (through therapy) what I was doing. My mom is narcissistic and in her world, she is the only one entitled to wonderful news. If you come to her with wonderful news, she sees it as you bragging or trying to upstage her, so she feels the need to beat you down and put you in your place. Maybe you're just surrounded by narcissists?
Good for you on your writing! I'm always in awe of people who are able to put thoughts to pen coherently and make a living doing so - that takes real talent. You must be so excited! Good luck to you
nolabear
(41,987 posts)That may be why it pisses me off. Runs in the family. I think that's one reason I work so hard not to be that way. And why I'm a therapist. LOL!
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Put a bunch of crabs in a pot, and if one starts to pull itself out, the others pull it back in.
Don't let the "crabs" pull you down. Good luck.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)I wonder if there's a breed of crab that builds little ladders...
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Doom, gloom and downers I try to avoid.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)They may not even realize it, nor would they admit it to themselves. But there are a lot of people out there who enjoy other people's misery... as long as it isn't too miserable, because then they might actually feel bad.
They are the ones who never dared, who were afraid to try, or who tried and failed and then gave up. Don't listen to them!
nolabear
(41,987 posts)I've always sort of borne up or stayed away but it's got to the point where I want to use language my Grandmother wouldn't approve of.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Even if you have worked in customer service, which many of of us have, (and it can be very taxing at times!) At least those people don't have the information to get personal. (haha, yes I said "those people" but not in the RMoney way).
It is another thing when people around you take the information you give away (knowingly or unknowingly) and use it against you. It doesn't matter how or where they picked up something about you, but they will use it against you. Those are called toxic people, and you need to get them out of your life!
Sometimes it is a person who is jealous of you. Sometimes it is a person who has been abused from an early age and they don't know any better. Sometimes it is a just plain bitter person who does nothing but complain, no matter what. Or all of the above.
Do yourself a favor and stop letting them in on your life. Stop telling that person anything about your life. Do not engage them. Do not argue with them. Keep them out of your business if you can.