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I'm personally not a vegetarian so this is more a point of amusement than annoyance for me, but both my parents are and since I still live with them my own diet doesn't contain as much meat as it might otherwise.
We eat out as a family a lot however and one thing that has become something of a sticking point is getting restaurants to understand what vegetarian means. Now in this case my parents are lacto-ovo vegetarians which means they don't eat any form of "meat" be it red or white, seafood or otherwise. Eggs and dairy are fine though. You would think this would make it easy as it's no where near as strict as vegans or other specialty vegetarian diets. But you would be surprised how often restaurants either don't care or don't understand. Ironically Chinese restaurants can be some of the worst, my mother is Chinese and we like to eat Asian food a lot. Chinese restaurants here aren't too bad but if you go to China good luck! It's ironic because Buddhism, which heavily influenced China, is mainly a vegetarian religion (don't harm animals). However years of communism in China has basically whipped out religion there and hardships faced by farmers and villagers there traditionally meant that vegetarianism was a luxury, if you had any meat you ATE it! So on our various trips to China my parents had to settle for "mostly" vegetarian. It was inevitable when they ate in restaurants that meat would find its way into dishes. If you asked them if there was meat in the dish, and said you were vegetarian, they would often say no and just interpret it as no big chunks of meat, and seafood isn't meat. etc... Or they might not even know what you are talking about. In big cities though this isn't so much of an issue now as they are as cosmopolitan as anywhere else now.
What surprises me is how often restaurants here mess up too. Again it's often the details that they don't get. OK there's no chunks of meat in the soup, but the soup is made from chicken broth and smells JUST like chicken, lol sorry that's not vegetarian. Or it used to have meat in it but we picked it all out for this dish, again for someone eating vegetarian for 20 years they will taste that. Or, no we didn't add any meat to it, it's all vegetarian. "Oh by the way is this garnish shrimp paste", Yes why?...
Any vegetarians here have these issues?
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I never know what to serve when he is here. Today, he couldn't have Caesar dressing because it might have anchovies in it. When I read through the 900 ingredients in very minute print, sure enough, anchovy paste was the very last ingredient. He settled for plain olive oil instead.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)Though close. They definitely will eat just about anything at a friends or family's house so long as they are told it has no meat. They aren't going to go look into what actually went into it, to be nice. But they can certainly taste larger amounts of meat and it makes them feel nauseated. So yeah it depends on how concentrated the flavour is. If it's a strong meat flavour, no they can't eat that. If it's at a restaurant or family/friend's they won't complain unless the above is true, they aren't going to look into the ingredients list.
However when it comes to buying stuff for home consumption, they will turn down anything that has any amount of meat in it, even the last ingredient on the label
Maybe the difference comes down more to manners?
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Even Jello has some kind of meat protein in it. I wish food producers would just label food as "vegetarian" or "vegan".
I have noticed that more products are labeled "gluten-free" now. It would be nice if they could do the same for truly vegetarian foods.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)They would be too terrified of losing customers. But I agree 100% I wish they did that.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)Which is made of melted down animal parts like bone, connective tissue, cartilage...puke.
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AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)A beef stock, or meat stock. I would prefer just a veggie stock, but its not always easy to get them to make that. Many of them just say, its the way it is..take it or leave it.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)them to make something special for them. The part that bothers them is when ordering something that they were told is vegetarian, even after having the waiter double check only to find, ohh right it DOES have chicken broth. lol
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)With the exception of an event at a steakhouse, I rarely have issues eating anywhere...except my mom's house. And I'm converting from vegetarianism to veganism.
Now, when I'm in Latin America, things are tricky. But not super difficult.
EdwardSmith74
(282 posts)RILib
(862 posts)Northern California is crawling with truly vegetarian restaurants. Here in Rhode Island, pretty much forget it except sometimes there is a pasta entree that's vegetarian.
Yes, Chinese restaurants seem to have no concept of vegetarian. Apparently chicken is a vegetable.
It takes quite awhile to learn all the food-like items, like Jello, that have not obvious meat ingredients.
I would love to go to the meals at the local Senior center or women's club meetings which include lunch, but the former has, like, one vegetarian alternative option, usually a sandwich, a month and the latter zero. I've tried talking to the senior center director but gotten nowhere.
MiddleFingerMom
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Have you never heard of chickpees?
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kwassa
(23,340 posts)Many others have vegetarian options, particularly newer and more trendy restaurants.
and frankly, I don't obsess about the details. Life is too short. You eat out, you take your chances.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)Yeah they never make a big fuss about it like some do. I actually hate people who do. I just find it funny how often some places don't get it.
Indian restaurants understand vegetarian very very well. This is because there are several branches of Hinduism that are strictly vegetarian. And yes most Chinese restaurants here get it. The more authentic the Chinese restaurant is the less likely they will understand though, and as I said go to China and all bets are off
RILib
(862 posts)Oh, sorry, Mr. Levin, yes, there is pork in that.
Oops, is that your kid on the floor? Yes, there were peanuts in the sauce after all.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)I used to be vegetarian, but still strongly tend in that direction. I have found it to be substantially better these days than it was 25-30 years ago. In many restaurants, the vegetarian-friendly dishes consisted of iceberg lettuce salads and grilled cheese sandwiches. Now, you can get veggie burgers at Burger King. Many of the restaurants in my town have actual vegetarian dishes, and it's just a step or two above being Crackerville.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)politicat
(9,808 posts)We're vegetarian because my partner has gout, and giving up meat was a way to help control it. We weren't heavy meat eaters before, but we would not have gone from 90% vegetarian to full lacto-ovo on our own. (I can't handle much soy so it gets even more complicated.) Before we made the switch, we were already only eating locally raised, humanely slaughtered meats (grass-fed bison and mutton/lamb are a better use of high plains prairie and water than tilling and irrigating; same with local backyard/small farm chickens and eggs because they provide better insect control than chemical pesticides.) I'm skeptical about monoculture crops, which further narrows our focus.
We have a couple of don't ask don't tell policies in place -- soups are probably going to have either chicken or beef base instead of vegetable base. I accept that seasonings like Worcestershire sauce, oyster sauce and fish sauce exist and might be used without being defined.
When traveling, I've found that the national chains are better than local restaurants (especially in the rural Midwest, where being vegetarian is apparently a major, personal insult to everyone else.) Panera and Chipotle are not my favorites, but they are reliable. When they're available, Ethiopian and some Indian restaurants are generally safe. I've had few problems with most Norteño Mexican restaurants (Sonoran style, not Tex-Mex) but those can be hard to find.
When I know my options are limited to iceberg lettuce salads and grilled cheese (made on the same grill with the bacon and the burgers), I just accept the inevitable, locate tolerable pizza, carry portable cheeses (mini-gouda, string and cheddar) and packets of hummus for protein and suck up a lot of bread and side salads. I really hate visiting my Midwestern relatives.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)Luckily living here in Vancouver there is a LOT of variety. And even when we went to China we knew how to ask since we spoke Chinese. It must be difficult when the locals are almost insulted that you are vegetarian lol. Indian restaurants are some of the best for vegetarians because of Hinduism.
politicat
(9,808 posts)The soil just south of the Great Lakes grows the best tomatoes, squash, lettuce, beans and cucumbers in the world. They've got brilliant conditions for vegetables, much better than California or Texas. It's gorgeous soil -- plant a 2x4 and it will sprout leaves. And they they waste it on corn and soy that mostly gets turned into animal feed. And they wonder why nobody wants to live there anymore...
When I'm at home -- Boulder, CO -- we have a lot of options. Almost every place has a number of options, and we've got a strong vegetarian contingent -- both hippie and immigrant, so lots of variety. Most of our limits are because we tend to be locavore, not because of meat.
If you don't mind me asking, which Vancouver?
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)Love it here, though it has it's issues of course.
Yes I imagine being locavore would put much greater restrictions on your diet than the vegetarian aspect. What the US and much of the world has done in terms of mega farms turning all their land over to mono culture ethanol crops is a real crime IMNSHO. It's ruining the worlds biodiversity and the diversity of our own diet. Can you imagine the diversity we could achieve in our diet and the public health issues we could solve if all that land could be turned over to the great variety that you mention can be grown there! Sadly that will likely never happen given the amount of money behind it all.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)and MI.
Since I moved to CA I have nothing but trouble trying to grow vegetables.
I forget what a fresh picked beaf steak tomato smells like. Nothing in our produce depts has any smell or taste.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)because the health code is very loosely enforced and many people seem not to know basic safe food handling procedures. I'm not in NYC now, which by comparison was very strict. I have gotten sick from restaurants in all price ranges. A neighbor who doesn't cook for herself is sick all the time with food related stuff and she probably spends $30 to $50 a day eating out.
A surprising lack of information and practice all the way around.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)I have something of an iron stomach for germs. Even eating all the street food in Asia I never got sick. However street food in Asia may in fact be cleaner than some restaurants in North America.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)I used to have a cast iron stomach, not so much these days.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Animal products are hidden in so many places these days, including in vegetable dishes that you normally shouldn't have to worry about. The new thing I am hating -- chicken stock in frickin' mashed potatoes!
"Vegetable" soup bases, sauces bases, desserts -- lard and gelatin and fish sauces -- hash browns cooked on the grill at the same time as bacon/sausage -- ack ack ack.
There are entire cuisines I will either not eat or only eat at vegetarian only versions. Luckily we have several really good vegetarian Chinese restaurants here in SF, and many Mexican restaurants that do not use lard or chicken stock in their red sauce.
One thing that makes me MENTAL is watching cooking shows where they take a dish that SHOULD be naturally vegetarian -- you know, like VEGETABLES -- and throw in animal stock in the cooking process.
RILib
(862 posts)When did mashed potatoes change to the consistency of soup? I never buy prepared mashed potatoes now.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)that's what is used in many restaurants -- makes for those super smooth "mashed potatoes" that are nothing like our grandma's used to make for us. It's all about saving time -- no boiling, no peeling, no mashing. I love a still-chunky mashed potato with the skin on.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)Since my Dad is a vegan, I respected that choice in others.
I became disgusted because meat broths are added to everything (along with a zillion extra grams
of sodium, fat or sugars).......and that is sooooooo unnecessary and unhealthy.
My husband is now in stage 3 chronic kidney disease, plus diabetes and heart disease, so we will never eat out ever again.
All his food has to be made from scratch, weighed, measured, counted and sodium, potassium, carbs, proteins
add up. Many restaurants do not make ANYTHING from scratch; stuff is premade, frozen or dried, and reheated at
the restaurant...........and it is all loaded with salt and preservatives.
Can't say I miss going out to eat..........but I miss not having to produce the six small meals a day every single day
no matter how I feel.
Still Blue in PDX
(1,999 posts)I'm pretty much stuck eating just salad when we go out unless we go to Red Robin and I have a gardenburger without the sauce wrapped in lettuce, and then I have to worry about the overprocessed soy.
There are lots of vegetarian and vegan places to eat in Portland -- I just can't get the hubs to go to them.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Restaurants are a problem for even the most omnivorous people out there . As the father and husband of 3 beautiful women who have
what I consider to be the most absurd special dietary needs ----I say fuck it !!!!!!!!
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datasuspect
(26,591 posts)you have no guarantee about what is happening to your food.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)that I like.
If I go with some group to someplace not familiar to me I usually get sides and not any meat dish.