Game of Thrones, 3.2, Dark Wings, Dark Words (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

Bran, Arya, Jamie & Brienne all return, and we get introduced to a few new characters (Thoros of Myr, the Queen of Thorns, and the Reed siblings)

should be interesting, and set things up nicely for the remainder of the season.

[XemaSab]

1. The show is spoiling things for the next 2 and a half years.

[NewJeffCT]

2. how so?

just curious

[Baitball Blogger]

3. Diana Rigg was wonderful to watch.

I still don't know if Arya's sister is toast for saying too much about the king.

[siligut]

5. We were trying to determine the same thing

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But, it seems Margaery can become queen even if Joffrey is dead. And Diana Rigg and Margaery already seemed to know about Joffrey, they just needed confirmation from someone honest and with first-hand knowledge.

Sansa may feel some sort of repercussions from being honest, but she still has story in front of her. No one likes Joffrey.

[NewJeffCT]

10. Not until Joff & Margaery get married

would Margaery become queen.

[siligut]

16. Yes, my take is that Margaery marries him first

Then, even after they kill him, she will be queen? I remember a spoiler from last year, because we all disliked Joffery so much there was much concern and Joffery gets what he deserves. It may have even come from you.

[NewJeffCT]

18. My guess is

that the big Joffrey-Margaery wedding won't take place until next season. They need to introduce the Dornish characters first - especially Oberyn Martell - and they're not on the Season 3 cast list.

[siligut]

25. I was hoping Joffery's smug, sneering face would be gone sooner

Sometimes there is a character you love to hate and sometimes there is a character you just hate. Joffery is the latter. A Mitt Romney character.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

32. I hate Joffrey but I'd hate to see him go.

He's so despicable that if and when he gets nixed, the show would lose a lot not having him around. Unless they can find someone equally as despicable to fill the gap.

[siligut]

35. Joffrey is Village of the Damned kind of despicable

I don't even abhor the polygamist who fucks his daughters and sacrifices his sons as much.

[NewJeffCT]

9. Some of her lines were straight from the book

I remember the first time I read the part where she was introduced to Sansa, I was cracking up at how she called her son and her late husband oafs. (Roy Dotrice on the audiobooks does a great job with her as well...) I think the only part they left out was how she said her husband was good in the bedroom, but an oaf otherwise.

[white_wolf]

4. I propose we just rename this show: "Arya is awesome" and be done with it.

Seriously, I love this character. I was worried she wouldn't be as awesome as in the books, but I was wrong. She almost made me up for the total lack of Dany, but Dany has dragons so not even the combined greatness of Arya and Tyrion can make up for dragons.

[siligut]

6. The dragons are awesome

But Tyrion gets my vote over Arya for second place.

[white_wolf]

7. See I can never really decide who is best, honestly.

I've given up and just decided to go with a Triumvirate of Arya, Dany, and Tyrion.

[siligut]

8. Whoever is on screen at the time

So hard to really say, they are all interesting characters and artfully cast. The dragons are darn good CGI and they promise to become more fun as they grow.

You know who is just adorable is the Wilding girl played by Rose Leslie. She and Jon Stone have some chemistry.

[NewJeffCT]

14. I believe

The actor playing Jon Snow (Kit Harington) and the actress playing Ygritte (Rose Leslie) are dating in real life. Or, at least they were.

[siligut]

21. Now, there's a nice bit of something to wonder about

They are good together in the series, with chemistry and rapport, I can easily believe it is real.

[Mike Daniels]

27. I was making a case to my wife yesterday that Varys is the true bad-ass

he's just a really low-key bad-ass.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Ayra is to Game of Thrones as Michonne is to Walking Dead.

Actually, Ayra comes out stronger because she has more lines.

[NewJeffCT]

15. Arya's no one

[Baitball Blogger]

26. Do you think she was faking her abilities when she allowed the

guy to knock the sword out of her hand?

[NewJeffCT]

29. No

I think he surprised her. I think something similar will happen to her in the future, and this time she'll be able to stop it (maybe my favorite Arya scene of the books...with a certain somebody at an inn and her shouting about gold in the village)

[warrior1]

11. Who the heck is torturing Theon?

He doesn't seem to really want anything from him as far as I can tell.

[NewJeffCT]

13. It's not really clear on the show

but, at the end of Season 3, the castle was surrounded by soldiers from the Dreadfort - the seat of House Bolton - led by Ramsay Snow, the Bastard of Bolton. (Roose Bolton told Robb that his son can send men to retake Winterfell)

So, one can probably assume that since they took Winterfell, Theon is being held by the Boltons, or at least the Bastard of Bolton.

However, the note from Winterfell that Roose gave over to Robb said that Winterfell was sacked and the Ironborn (Theon's men) were gone, with no sign of Bran & Rickon. So, it's possible that Ramsay is deceiving his father about what happened at Winterfell.

[warrior1]

17. ah yes that clears that up

I really need to read the books.

[NewJeffCT]

19. the books handle it differently, though

It's probably better in the books, but I can see why they did Theon's arc how they did on TV.

[DebJ]

20. They took at least three liberties with the plot lines from the book.

Kate Stark never expressed regret about how she treated Jon Snow in the book.
But it was a wonderfully done change.

After completely abandoning all of the warg scenes from the book, it appears
they are trying to catch up a bit now. In fact, the tv show has fairly well
ignored most elements from the book that could be categorized as magical.
I have been a bit disappointed in that, although not generally a fan of magic
(or even of fiction). I am fascinated by the parallel I see in the books between
the Starks whose wolves are still alive, and Sansa, who seems to lack the fire
courage and passion of the other Starks.

I forget now what the third change was, but it was something to do with
Tyrion and his girlfriend.

Also (was it last week?) the harsh conversation between Tyrion and Tywin...
I don't recall that in the book.

Oh yes and I think that with the scene with Margaery and Joffrey, they are once
again showing him as even more cruel than in the book.

[NewJeffCT]

22. Much of the Tyrion-Tywin conversation was also from the book

where Tyrion asked for Casterly Rock, and Tywin went off on him about disgracing the place by turning it into his whorehouse, and how he can't prove Tyrion is not his, so he has the right to carry his name, etc.

The only thing they didn't have in there was (big spoiler hidden below):
[font color=white]When Tyrion notes that Tywin was writing letters, and Tywin responds that some wars are won with quills and ravens instead of swords and spears.[/font]

[DebJ]

23. Thanks. Now that you mentioned it, I do remember it..

My problem was that last June I read all five books in one month!
Couldn't put them down, but now I have forgotten too much!
And alas don't have time to re-read them.

[NewJeffCT]

24. There are so many characters

and so much interaction between them in the books that it's almost impossible to catch it all with only one reading.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Having read the books, the thing that jumped out at me was the scene with Tyrion and Shae

It came off like a clunker, and I think it was an interaction totally missing from the books. I think I know why they did it, though.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. ***Possible SPOILER ALERT***

I think that the show has made Shae into more of a sympathetic character than she ends up being later on in the books.. so they're trying to set up a dynamic between her and Tyrion under which certain later plot developments make sense.

But what ended up happening in this episode was a lot of "you like her!" "no, honey, I don't" sort of 3s company stuff... which is way out of Character for Tyrion.

[Duer 157099]

28. The problems waiting in the wings are

the young actors who are growing so fast! Bran and Arya, and Rickon eventually, are growing so much faster in real life than their characters should be.

I wondered since Season 1 how they would handle it.

They don't. They just sort of ignore it.

But in a season or two, it will be impossible to ignore any more. No? Or am I too literal?

[NewJeffCT]

30. well, it did seem kind of odd in Season 2

where Sansa had her first flowering at what, 16 or 17 on the show, but 13 or 14 in the books. She seemed kind of old-ish for that on TV, but it was an important scene from the books.

Martin was supposedly going to have a 5 year gap after A Storm of Swords, with book 4 picking up 5 years later. That might have helped... however, he nixed the five year gap and started book 4 over again (part of the reason books 4 & 5 took so long)

[Duer 157099]

31. Yeah, but Sansa is old enough to disguise the issue, mostly

the younguns are going to be a much different story though. Especially Arya.

[WolverineDG]

36. the way I read the books,

several years have already gone by. There's no way all the action in the books can take place in just a year or two.

[Duer 157099]

42. I'm not so sure

I guess it depends on which time period we're talking about. But in the books, I'm pretty sure that time is going by fairly slowly.

Think about the ages of things, birthdays, marriages, relationships, journeys, dragons, etc.

[WolverineDG]

45. I've read all the books

children are born & start growing. I have other examples, but those might be considered spoilers, so I don't want to ruin it by listing those, but it is apparent that "fall" lasts a couple of years.

[Duer 157099]

46. OK fair enough.

The first thing I was thinking of was how long Arya was called a "boy" and the course she took based on that misidentification.

It won't be long before the actress won't be able to masquerade as such. Or has that point passed already? It's been a while since I read the books. I can't recall how she was identified while "over there."

[WolverineDG]

47. she's disguising herself

in the books (not sure if in the tv series as well) she was warned early on not to let anyone know she was a girl. but now that the Hound has found her (on the tv show), I think that's about to become moot.

[Stuart G]

33. I don't know...is this....a TV show???

haven't seen it...don't know..

[NewJeffCT]

34. It's an HBO series based off of a series of books

by George R.R. Martin.

[Solly Mack]

37. I love Arya.

He needs to finish that book, dammit.

[nolabear]

40. Can I get a shout-out for Brienne?

I mean, she's a great, original yet not unheard of female character. Now and then women did go to war ostensibly acting as men but Brienne is just awesome at it.

Having interesting and varied female characters is one of GoT's main strengths.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. Brienne is great.

Gradually turning Jamie Lannister into an at least vaguely sympathetic character is another amazing accomplishment of the writing.

[siligut]

43. If Game Of Thrones took place entirely on Facebook: Season 3, Episode 1.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10373865

dipsydoodle posted this in the TV Chat group and it is now in the Cool section, but It is so much fun, I wanted to put it here for the people who don't leave The Lounge much.

[NewJeffCT]

44. That is awesome

I like Mance's response on Jon (I'd also have taken because bastards don't get to sit at the cool table)