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Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 07:44 AM Oct 2012

Loungers, I need nutrition advice.

I seem to be getting weaker on this new diet regimen, not stronger. I went to see a dietician about 10 days ago, her plan was high protein, moderate "healthy" fats, no refined sugars, as few processed foods as possible, limited fruit (2-3 servings a day), and a lot of non-starchy vegetables. Her biggest recommendations was cut out complex carbs as much as possible, at least for 2-4 weeks - no bread, no regular pasta, no potatoes, no corn, peas, winter squash, dried beans, rice, etc.

I have two problems. One is eating enough calories. For my weight and height, I should be eating right at 2000 a day, and that would allow me to lose weight at a healthy rate of about 1 lb a week. During my "illness" (yeah, you know what I mean) over the summer, I was lucky to get 800 calories a day, about all I could stand to eat was cottage cheese, yogurt, and bananas. Now, I'm not repelled by most foods like I was, I just don't have that much of an appetite. If I just ate what I wanted, I would probably get 1200 to 1400 calories a day. I've been forcing myself to do 1500 to 1800 a day. I'm keeping very close track of it on my iPad, I found a great app called "MyNetDiary" which has a fantastic food tracking function.

But I honestly think the bigger problem is giving up carbs. I think that is draining my energy level. Nothing else has really changed to speak of in the past 3 weeks, meds are the same, exercise level is increasing but slowly.

I did a little experiment saturday and sunday, ate more carbs that recommended and less fat and fewer non-starchy vegetables. And I seemed to do a lot better -- rode 15 miles Saturday night and 12.5 Sunday night and it seemed effortless, I could have done more each night if I didn't have to get up early the following mornings. Yesterday was a bad food day, I had to skip lunch due to circumstances (I know, I know, bad), and only ate about half of a small dinner of chicken and mixed vegetables because it didn't appeal. Last night, I went out with the intention of doing 12 to 15 miles, and turned back at 3 1/2 and finally did about 4 1/2 because I just felt weak. This morning, I felt a little better, so did another no-no and drank a cup of pomegranate juice. I still feel kind of weak and tired, but I managed to do 10 miles in just under an hour. I think I couldn't have done it without the sugar boost from the juice.

The good news in all of this, I am almost exactly to my half way point -- I've lost 26 of the 55 lbs I want to lose.

So, what do you think. More carbs?

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LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
1. We aren't supposed to give medical advice on DU BUT
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 07:48 AM
Oct 2012

I would recommend you see another nutrition specialist for a second opinion.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
2. If you don't do strength exercises while you lose weight, you will lose a pound of
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:02 AM
Oct 2012

muscle for every pound of fat you lose. You need to keep the muscles you have and that means strength exercises because if you don't you'll not only feel weaker, you'll be weaker.

Agree with poster #1 and get a second opinion. In the meanwhile, visit the USDA and other websites about a balanced diet.

Good luck.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
6. Carbs are your friend. That's the main source of energy in any endurance test.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:48 AM
Oct 2012

It sounds like your doctor was recommending an Atkins-like thing and that's just completely wrong, especially for an athletic person. Go with some whole grain rice (brown) and corn muffins. If you make soup, toss in some quinoa. Carbs DO NOT make you fat if you are burning them off. They're what you DO burn off. Carbs are only bad if you're a couch potato. You obviously are not.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
7. Your body is trying to adjust to fewer carbs.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:08 AM
Oct 2012

I went on the low carb diet @ 12 yrs ago. You will loose weight on it. It took me about a week of feeling crappy & THEN once all the toxins & fungi that were residing in my bod had left (very cleansing diet....fungi cannot live w/o carbs) I felt fabulous! My mind was clearer, as were my sinuses & skin. Had much more energy, too. Give it time. And consume more protein to help ward off the weak feeling. Nuts are very helpful to help you feel full & have amazing health benefits.

Your body is adjusting to burning stored fat, instead of carbs. It must go thru some adjustment. I hope you "eazed" into this & didn't just go cold turkey. That would be VERY hard on the bod & make adjustment harsh especially of you started doing strenuous exercise (biking) at the same time. I'd hold off on the biking until my bod adjusted better.

Cut out sodas, sweets & anything that is made w/sugar or white flour, any sugars that are not naturally in the foods. Watch condiments like ketchup & steak sauce, they contain loads of sugar. Basically just eating fruits & vegs & healthy meats is what you should strive for once you get the weight off.
It is SO hard in our society to do this! Hidden sugar is everywhere!

Good luck & hope you are feeling wonderful soon!

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
8. Re: giving up the carbs, I agree with you.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:42 AM
Oct 2012

As omnivores, we are mainly plant eaters who need to supplement our diets with relatively small amounts of animal protein. I agree about limiting starchy carbs like rice, potatoes, and bread. But you shouldn't exclude them entirely. Brown rice, potatoes with their skins, and whole grain breads are all good in moderation. Fruit is great but watch out or you may find yourself using it in place of processed sugar products. Eating local and seasonal, as much as possible, is a good approach. If you like tuna but you're concerned about the heavy metal content in seafood, remember that canned light tuna has up to three times less mercury in it than canned white tuna.

Good luck in your efforts to become more healthy!

 

crunch60

(1,412 posts)
9. I like Letha Hadady, she covers all the bases regarding, diet, herbs, and our food habits
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:43 AM
Oct 2012

We have to eat wisely and according to our energy type and addictions. Craving sweets or pasta are more a problem for some people than others. We need to address our energy and addictions before we can be conscious, free and healthy and slim as we want to be. If you crave sweets, breads, sugars and empty calories you may develop a blood sugar problem. If you crave spices and hot sauce you may develop complexion blemishes, nervous tension and inflammatory pains. Mindful eating involves eating wisely, selectively, not just less.

Letha’s Feed Your Tiger (iUniverse.com) features four energy/emotional types: Dragons, Bears, Tigers, and Cranes each with associated dietary and social habits. The book is filled with targeted slimming recipes, Asian SuperFoods, and easy ways to lose excess weight and curb addictions.

http://www.asianhealthsecrets.com/

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
10. are you sure your electrolytes are okay?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:54 AM
Oct 2012

Are you taking a daily vitamin that contains potassium and magnesium?

I think I would want to make sure that I'm not depleting electrolytes ASAP.

As far as maintaining calories goes, I agree on the whey protein. Also smoothies.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
11. Ya I know its tough
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:09 AM
Oct 2012

trying to follow the most effective diet and eliminating carbs, but with your working out hard on you bicycle, you have to take a step back and realize that you need carbs, and that any physical gains that you have gained bicycling like a madman are commendable, but not sustainable. Balance. Slow Down. Get some realistic advice from Dr. Bluto:



Seriously. Its not a race to finely sculpted death. Slow down, enjoy the ride. Enjoy some of life's 'sins' because you are actively trying to negate them through positive action. Balance: be realistic: you are not going to be some superstar athlete..... so why kill yourself in the meantime. Thanksgiving and Christmas are coming.... enjoy them for all their worth. You can and Should do both.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
13. Nope... protein drinks can kill you kidneys.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:36 AM
Oct 2012

And this comes from one whose brother founded and administers 13 franchises specializing in protein drinks etc. They are made in China, have passed only the thinnest short-term clinical studies, and increasingly, old (ie 40-60 year old meat heads) are tumbling with diabetes and enlarged organs now.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
14. The diet you have been recommended..
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:55 AM
Oct 2012

... is pretty much textbook of current thinking. However, I used "current" for a reason. Current as in "it will change because it is all based on factoids not real science".

While nobody would argue that large amounts of bad fats and refined carbs are "good for you", reducing carbs so drastically was almost guaranteed to have the result you are experiencing.

Maybe instead of bread or pasta you could eat more beans or something like that, with carbs but not refined carbs. Or maybe you should just eat small portions of rice at various times during the day.

A diet is not going to help you if it saps you energy to the point that you cannot exercise IMHO.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
15. You'll stay nourished on this diet. Give it some time and attention.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:13 AM
Oct 2012

Nutrition is energy-giving. Nutrition isn't what mainstream nutritionists say. Don't starve yourself.



I'm trying this diet. My asthma is lessening.

I also recommend a very short, easy-to-read book, "In Defense of Food," by Michael Pollan, which explains how micronutrients are key to nourishing mitochondria.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
16. I do not think that the extreme low carb diet is based on science.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:57 AM
Oct 2012

I would slowly add some carbs back in and see how you feel. You certainly need carbs if you are going to be doing vigorous exercise. Do the calorie calculation and make sure you are getting enough calories for the amount of exercise. Consulting with a sports trainer might be a better idea than listening to that dietician.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
17. I don't think diet is a "one size fits all" sort of thing.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:34 AM
Oct 2012

The diet you describe works great for me. I actually feel and look my best when I follow that advice. Having SAID that, I will also say that I know people who are just not feeling good eating like that. If you are not feeling good (on any diet--no matter the type) then your body is telling you something and it is important to follow up on it.

You mention having a cup of juice and feeling a bit better this morning... What happens if you eat the entire fruit rather than just drinking the juice? At least, if you eat the entire fruit you are getting the fiber that comes with it--and that added fiber is a good thing for multiple reasons. The main reason that I've ever heard to avoid juice if you are going controlled carbs is that the majority of the sugars in fruit are found in the juice, and the phytonutrients and fiber are found mostly in the flesh and skins. Not all fruit is the same when it comes to sugars, and you might want to take a look at which ones are higher in sugars when you make your food choices. Most generally speaking, berries have been the best choice for me personally for fruits--but YMMV.

Carbs by themselves are important but it seems like it is a balancing act to find which ones your system can deal with and not stall your weight loss. Given the activity level you describe and given what you were talking about as your personal food aversions, I'd think you'd be happy as a clam eating lean meats, veggies (read as non-starchy veggies--avoid the peas and corn type stuff) lots of lots of cruciform veggies like broccoli or cauliflower, and as much of the leafy green stuff as you want.

Are you feeling hungry a lot on your current diet? If you are, it maybe is a sign that you need to adjust something--like maybe go to a few small mini-meals per day rather than "the three squares" we are accustomed to...

Good luck! Ain't none of this that's fun!


Laura

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