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UTUSN

(70,696 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 10:47 PM Dec 2019

"serious" topic in Lounge won't lead to Demerit? ---- Forgiveness.

So, I hold grudges, no wiggle room there. Reason/justification/rationalization: Uh, justice? Recent studies say our fellow animals sense when treatment is *UNFAIR* compared to their/our fellows.

Anyway, so this eve I brought up an ancient gripe with a confrere, who said, something like, I know I know you won't let it go!

And I said, something like, I only bring it up every decade or so because when something is not acknowledged (validated) it keeps on being there.

I added in a possibly passive-aggressive aside because this person is a semi-evangelical, "It's in the Bible." Haha. (Remember "Dr Laura" who was a thorn in our Lib side, who was (first?) an Orthodox Jew then a Fundamentalist "Christian"?) She said the Bible said that Forgiveness is not automatic, that it goes by stages: Acknowledgment, repentance, asking for forgiveness - which might or might not be granted.

So, in my life's circle, for better and worse, are some very "religious" folk who PRAY a lot - whether of the mainstream denominations (Catholic) or the evangelical (Pentacostals). I'm a sort of Secular Humanist or agnostic or who knows what. Lucky, ain't I?!1

So they pray a lot. My old sister goes to Catholic Mass every damned day. And one of my Pentacostals prays on the KNEES (I don't know how often).

***** At this point in this entry I'm not sure where this is going, was set off by *something*!1

***** ON EDIT, oh yes, I remember: To me, "apologies" are WORTHLESS. In social services training, perpetrators are known to go by a pattern: Slow build-up of anger, then emotional/verbal abuse, then the explosion of physical abuse, then collapse into APOLOGY plus abject weeping; with the victim accepting the "apology" and:: The whole cycle BEGINS AGAIN.

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Kali

(55,009 posts)
1. when I feel magnanimous to religious people who inflict their prayers on me
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 10:55 PM
Dec 2019

I just say I'll take whatever help I can get.


(is that what set you off?)

UTUSN

(70,696 posts)
2. Yea what I said to a recent flamer who said "Bless your heart' was, I know you're not really
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:05 PM
Dec 2019

blessing me and I don't want blessings. After all these years, I can't get used to flames, I guess that's what set me off.

***Anatomy of flame wars/flamers:


* They won't stop, (internet rule, last word wins?).

* They ignore "rational" replies to their "arguments".

* They personally slur, slander, attack.

* They repeat repeat repeat.

* Here on a like-partisan minded site, they prefer to attack fellow members instead of wingnuts.

* They mob, swarm, self-satisfy with their spiteful pals.

* They are vengeful and somehow attract 10K rubberneckers.


******Yea, *that's* what set me off!1








Kali

(55,009 posts)
6. aww thanks
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:18 PM
Dec 2019

you have been here longer than me, and you are one of the good guys. pretty sure I know what flame war you speak of and I wouldn't worry about it. language is constantly evolving and at the same time people are in a hurry to find things to get offended over - but that is also how change happens so it is a dynamic that keeps people awake and paying attention.

UTUSN

(70,696 posts)
7. Gosh, way-thanks. Am just having a self-pity session at the same time knowing
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:29 PM
Dec 2019

that other people are going through way tough shit all over, including some of our fellow DUers (u no who u are!) not to mention whole populations and the planet.





Kali

(55,009 posts)
8. that's ok
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:35 PM
Dec 2019

we can do more than one thing at a time. sometimes we need to lick superficial wounds before we bound out to hug the world.

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