Why are some people so contemptuous of veganism???

[diva77]

Some people will bite your head off if you ask whether vegan items are available (most recently, a clerk at the hotel desk when asked about the breakfast they offer)

[TreasonousBastard]

1. It upsets what they consider the natural order of things. Besides, it often...

means more work.

And, some people consider veganism, as opposed to vegetarianism, to be cultish and too absolutist.

[diva77]

2. Well said.

[mitch96]

53. "cultish and too absolutist."

I've gotten that also.. If not in words in looks and actions.. My friend has Chrons Dz and when she mentions that her gut is messed up and can only eat XYZ there is no problem..
Geeze..... lighten up..
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[VarryOn]

3. some can be pretty annoying because they'll tell you they're vegan...

within 30 seconds of meeting them. They talk about it all the time and can be quite evangelistic about it. Many are quite pretentious and judgemental of non-vegans.

Just a few reasons why some people may not like them.

[wasupaloopa]

5. Why does it bother you if I say I am vegetarian? I have to do it when I go out to eat.

I found that many things I thought we meatless had meat juice in them. Spanish rice at some restaurants has chicken broth in it. I ordered cheese enchiladas once and the sauce had beef chunks in it.

All it is is a eating preference. Some folks are on low salt diets some no sugar.

If you invite me to dinner I tell you that I am vegetarian just so you know I won’t be eating any meat dish.

I am not evangelical about it. I don’t care what you eat though I have in my mind ideas about it.

[HockeyMom]

8. Daughter (adult) is now Vegan

Much more difficult to cook for her now as opposed to when she was a vegetarian who would at least eat eggs and cheese.

When she and her family (not vegans) come over for dinner what do I feed her? Thanksgiving is not too much of a problem since there are a lot of veggie side dishes. I can make the stuffing myself, use veggie broth to soften it, and not cook it in the turkey. Christmas was impossible. Salad, side of string beans, and potatoes was all she ate. Not much of a Holiday Dinner.

Breakfast won't work at all. Forget bacon. Cannot make pancakes either (eggs in it). Just toast? Cereal? Bring your own almond milk?

I cannot cook for 6 people and make something (?) else for her at the same time. I told her bring your own food over and cook for just you. I will cook for everyone else. That is the only solution I can think of. I feel bad since she is my daughter, but what can I do? I am not a restaurant with staff.

Edit: At home her husband cooks for himself and their kids.

[Revanchist]

9. You can find many vegan friendly pancake mixes, no egg or milk needed

For Thanksgiving or Christmas Quorn makes a tasty meatless roast that isn't too large, you should find it frozen in the markets. I'm not vegan but I do Meatless meals every so often so I know some options. The main thing you can do is talk to her for recipe suggestions that both her and the rest of the family can enjoy.

[Phentex]

22. Peta suggests Bisquick...

add oil and water or milk. Add fruit if you like. They aren't fluffy but they are light and delicious.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

69. No milk for vegans, right?

I'm assuming animal products are out: milk, cheese, butter?

[Phentex]

71. I meant for milk...

Left out the f. I would add soy or almond milk but son says he likes them best with just oil and water. He's the one who makes them.

[MuseRider]

12. I know what you mean

from the other side of that. Until I got really sick and am not allowed to eat like a vegetarian I was one for a long time. Don't worry when you think that what she ate at Christmas was not much of a Holiday Dinner. Please. We make our dietary choices and we become accustomed to what we eat. It is always so sweet when someone worries about it but your solution is a good one. I do not know a vegan or vegetarian who would not understand and be happy to bring their own food. We end up feeling bad because you do so talk to her and tell her that if you have not and it will be fine, I promise, I cannot imagine it not. This is love and learning.

Vegan diets are hard to learn to accommodate. I do not know a single vegan who would be upset if you asked for help or for them to supply their own.

I find your post so sweet. My mother would have looked at me and given me hell the entire day about her food not being good enough, who did I think I was and how dare I ruin everything for everybody. Why was I so special? I bet your daughter appreciates your difficulties doing multiple diets. ((hugs)) to you for being a good and kind and understanding mom.

[HockeyMom]

25. Thank you.

Apart from Holidays being a problem with multiple family members, I tried to eat a Vegetarian diet 50 years ago as a young woman. Did not know what I was doing (substitutions) and ended up in the hospital with severe anemia. Back then no Internet or Cookbooks for Vegetarian Diets. I have told my daughter to do her research and KNOW what you are doing.

I am not a fanatic meat eater (juicy steak or burger YUCK) myself even today, but I know now that I cannot just eat iceberg lettuce salads with tomatoes and cukes and bread. Not nutritious enough. Today I make salads with dark green veggies, beans, nuts, and fruit, although I love my cheeses in that. Daughter will eat those salads, but problem is that the rest of my family (husband, SIL, grandsons) won't eat just that. especially on Holiday. I really think the best solution is for her to bring her own food.

[Phentex]

21. Aside from the turkey, I make vegan dishes that everyone can eat...

without knowing they're vegan. Mashed potatoes, stuffing, cranberry/apple concoction, green beans, bread, etc.

We still made a turkey and gravy and the vegan had a store bought vegan roast with gravy.

But yeah, I'm not a short order cook. With our son at home, I make vegan dinners throughout the week for everyone. It's making sure we all get enough protein that's the challenge. I'm not into protein powders and I have to eat more than just rice and beans. But there are a ton of good vegan dishes that are very filling.

I think we need a group for crossovers! Not ALL vegan or ALL meat eaters, lol. Cooking and Baking group is awesome and non-judgmental.

[hunter]

41. I don't even think about it anymore.

My extended family ranges from hunting/fishing carnivores who kill their own meat to vegans.

I'm mostly vegetarian. I'm also much more likely to use olive oil than butter in my day-to-day cooking.

It's really not that difficult to keep meat and dairy products out of food vegans might enjoy, and on holidays especially, to make a few vegan alternatives to meat dishes.

[murielm99]

7. IMO,

vegans and atheists are the most evangelistic, pretentious and judgmental people on the planet.

I am fine with your beliefs and practices, but let everyone else have their way of life, too.

[PJMcK]

10. Atheists?!

Good God!

[MicaelS]

17. Excellent post and very true. n/t

[Clash City Rocker]

52. There are two types of vegans, in my experience

I had a vegan roommate years ago who was very accepting of my carnivorous lifestyle, and had a great sense of humor about it. My favorite line of his was “I don’t love animals, I just really, really hate plants.”

But I had a coworker once who kept photos of animals who had been slaughtered in her office. She could be quite judgmental and humorless about the issue. Otherwise I quite liked her, but I’m sure her attitudes about meat cost her a few friendships.

[Harker]

55. As a non-theistic Buddhist vegan...

I'm sorry that those with whom you have had contact have left you with so poor an opinion of all of us.

We're not all that way.

[Merlot]

79. Usually it's the other way around - vegans and athiests get attacked

by pretentious and judgemental people threatened by somone doing somehting different.

[JonLP24]

88. Exactly

[MicaelS]

94. Your fellow Vegans accuse us Carnivores ...

Of being complicit in murder. In this thread and others.

Murder as a statute does not apply to any animal other than homo sapien.

As far as atheists go, when you accuse people of being idiots for their faith you're going to get push back.

[Merlot]

95. Nice pre-emptive attack

I'm not a vegan and don't accuse people of being idiots for their beliefs

But somehow I'm being accused of behaviors that I would not do.

Kind of proves the point of my previous post.

[Merlot]

78. I've never met one of those rumored to exist vegans who tell you

they are vegan within 30 seconds of meeting them. I knew one woman for about a year before she mentioned it.

I keep hearing all these stories about militant vegans but never seem to meet any of them...

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

4. Probably because vegans not only tell you within 30 seconds of meeting them

that they are vegans, but they make it very clear that veganism is morally superior to any other kind of food consumption.

Here's my essential problem. We evolved as carnivores. We really are designed to consume meat. Yes, we are. And I, an enthusiastic meat eater, find that I'm healthier than almost everyone else I know, especially my age mates. I'm 70. I'll defend my meat eating quite happily.

Oh, and someone posted here that veganism simply isn't the planet saving wonder that is claimed. Apparently, going to a vegan diet uses up as much resources as eating meat. Hmmm.

[mucifer]

11. Look at it from our point of view. Animal eaters CONSTANTLY talk about eating animals

If you pay attention you will notice it. Consider our point of view. We are told we should never discuss our diet. But, it's ok for you to do it.

[MuseRider]

13. LOL

I never thought of it that way. If I am ever allowed a normal diet again I will be back to being a vegetarian. It was very hard at first being a farmer, I do not raise food animals but food for food animals. I live in BEEF country, it was impossible to find vegetarian food. It is much better now. Being a vegan would be much harder. I have not tried that but I love your point of view, I never thought of it that way. I know I do have a hard time in a steak house, it just smells bad to me now and those big burger ads on TV are disgusting. LOL. Interesting point of view. Thanks, I will definitely use that.

[Bev54]

34. Because vegans are contemptuous of us who are not

I have not met a vegan yet that hasn't tried to convert me, like a religion. Most of those vegans returned to eating meat after a few years. Eat what you want we don't need to hear about it.

[MuseRider]

36. That is so odd

being a vegetarian I figured I would move on to being a vegan. I spoke to a lot of vegans and just kept saying, "I just do not think I can do that!" Their response was that it was OK. It might be easier later and it might now.

Could it be the responses or looks on your faces that make people respond to you all this way?

I have had several people get in my face about being a vegetarian but that was years ago. I don't see any of this back and forth from either of the sides anymore, not ever. Not even eye rolling.

Interesting. Perhaps the mid west and plains states are more tolerant of differences?

[JonLP24]

89. There are vegans all over DU

I never tried to convert anyone.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

59. Nope. We don't. We don't inform everyone two minutes after first meeting them

they we eat meat. Unless the Vegan has already brought up the topic.

[BigBearJohn]

6. I didn't fight my way all the way up the food chain to eat only veggies

Vegan is an ancient word for "poor hunter"

[Beringia]

14. They might feel threatened

Got that response when I asked my vet about brushing my cat's teeth.

[SharonClark]

15. Because they go to a steak house and complain that there are few vegan offerings?

I've seen that in restaurant reviews.

I was a vegetarian for over 20 years and never had a problem dining in other people's home or restaurants. Veganism can be more work for non-vegan cooks.

[MicaelS]

16. Because by the very act of them choosing Veganism..

They are prententiously announcing they are morally superior to everyone else.

Sort of like MAGAts wearing their red hats.

[oregonjen]

29. Some choices are for health reasons

My daughter is lactose intolerant, so she chooses not to eat anything dairy, otherwise she will have painful symptoms afterwards. Who wants to feel sick all the time? After being off dairy, her body has more energy and her skin looks and feels better.

It’s not always about moral superiority.

[Dave Starsky]

70. I have a lot of health conditions that keep me from eating certain things.

The people I eat with don't know about those conditions, because I'm not in their faces about them.

[Efilroft Sul]

18. It's part of the nefarious plan established by members of the Cult of Bacon.

[DinahMoeHum]

19. Vegans too often cop a self-righteous attitude. . .

. . .that is off-putting to the rest of us.

Frankly, I subscribe to that old nursery rhyme when it comes to diets:

Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean. . .

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. Maybe it's because...

[RobinA]

56. Exactly This

And then there’s the people who at 60 suddenly decide they can’t eat gluten/dairy/refined sugar/whatever the current faddish diet bugaboo is. I know there are people who legitimately can’t eat all that stuff, but too many people have serial “can’t eats” that strain credibility. I have a friend who has a different diet restriction every time we get together. Plus, unless something is going to kill you or do major damage, just shut up about it. I’m lactose intolerant, but I don’t feel the need to be catered to. If I think something is a problem I just don’t eat it, I don’t expect the menu to be planned around me.

[smirkymonkey]

63. This is a pretty funny comic strip!

I've never seen it before, but it's quite good!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

66. "Pearls Before Swine"

It's my favorite newspaper cartoon. https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine

[yewberry]

23. Well, here we fucking go again.

All you have to do is type the word and here comes the DU hate again.

Yeah, sure, we're a bunch of pretentious zealots and magats, sure, whatever.

[MuseRider]

37. Yeah, the MAGAT thing was a little much. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

24. Honestly, I have no problem with what people eat or don't eat, unless they get self-righteous

about it. On the other hand, here is a funny video explaining what if meat eaters acted like vegans. I know not all vegans are like this, but it's kind of humorous anyway.

[VarryOn]

26. thanks for sharing. that was quite funny! nt

[Beringia]

27. As long as they don't eat you

[Cousin Dupree]

28. Because as a hostess, they make things difficult. And when eating out with them, they draw lots

of attention to themselves with their behavior. If you want to practice veganism, just order something off the damn menu without comment or discussion with the server and don’t make a big fricking deal of it.

[gtar100]

39. That would be fine but it's often not clear what is available.

I am vegan and I hate asking too but sometimes I have to just to find out. I ordered green beans once and the side dish was half bacon, no mention of that on the menu.

Normally I steer clear of non-veg restaurants but it's not always possible in mixed company. I usually don't say a word about it but frequently endure little digs from people who think my food is "gross" or "disgusting" or "fake". Whatever. I didn't choose to be vegan to piss them off. I did for the animals and to protest (boycott) the animal agricultural industry for their inhumane treatment of them. Plus, the food is awesome. I don't miss meat one bit.

[hunter]

44. Hostess hint: Many vegan lentil dishes are surprisingly easy.

https://www.google.com/search?q=vegan+lentil+soup+recipies

You can throw an acceptable lentil dish together quickly, entirely from dry ingredients in the cupboard and good olive oil. Any last minute minute vegans on your guest list will appreciate your minimal effort.

I've been hosting vegans and vegetarians most of my life. I also know how to turn mammals, birds, and fish I've killed into dinner, but I haven't done that lately.

I have in more recent years cooked animals family has killed, mostly fish.

There's really not much friction in my family between vegan, vegetarian, and carnivore factions. Most of our differences are religious. I grew up in a family where religious warfare was the favorite blood sport. Not much attention was paid to what people would or would not eat. Okay, I take that back. One Thanksgiving my parents decided to simplify their lives and serve a vegetarian dinner. No turkey. But the resulting conflict was only a prelude to the religious war that followed.

You would think Thanksgiving is not a religious holiday, not like Christmas or Easter (always hell times in my childhood) but you would be mistaken.

My favorite Thanksgiving was when we were living in Europe, just me and my parents and siblings. I was a little miffed that I had to go to school that day, and my language teacher in a class full of awkward immigrants had decided to use that day to spotlight the traditions of my native land, but my dad had managed to find perhaps the only turkey and the only can of cranberry sauce and the only jar of Best Foods / Hellman's mayonnaise in the region for our Thanksgiving dinner, possibly purloined from a U.S.A. military base supply chain.

[at140]

30. My boss from England couldn't understand vegetarian people

he was addicted to Indian restaurants after having lived in London for years.
London has more Indian restaurants than Starbucks shops!

Anyway one time I suggested we go to a vegetarian Indian restaurant.
He was quite skeptical he would find anything good there to eat.
After arriving at the restaurant buffet, he placed a small amount from many dishes on his plate.
After return trips to the buffet counter a few times, he says, now I can understand how so many
people in India can live happily as vegetarians. The variety of food was more than he imagined,
and the food was tasty all around.

[yellowwoodII]

31. It's hard to stay quiet

When so many of my friends are "struggling" with heart issues or diabetes or other maladies that can be addressed by giving up meat and dairy.

It's not a matter of "giving up" meat. It's choosing healthy food to eat instead.

Choose whole foods instead of the processed junk they push in the grocery store. Believe me. It works.

https://forksmealplanner.com/?msclkid=69716c3d69f41e5df65c310ee5dcf80c

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

32. Most vegans are born-again mimes.

And nobody likes mimes.

[Siwsan]

33. The vegans in my family are as bad as proselytizing religious fanatics

They plan their visits to avoid any holidays or family celebrations because we are all omnivores and they don't want to subject their daughter to our savage, meat eating habits. Any attempts at accommodating their dietary preferences are never good enough. Regular old casual conversations can easily turn into judgmental lectures.

And, because of their ridiculously 'high standards' as to what and where they buy their dietary choices it was, at one point sending them into considerable debt. They admitted that their food was their greatest expense. More than their mortgage. More than their utilities. I have baled them out, more than once, but have now stopped enabling them. I finally convinced them to start growing their own veg. They've given it a half hearted attempt.

I respect their right to eat what they want, as long as they are responsible. They need to afford me (and others) the same.

I can only wonder how they will react if their daughter turns out to have those rebellion genes, that run in the family.

[HockeyMom]

45. My Vegan daughter isn't raising her sons in it

As I said on my previous post, her husband eats meat and will cook for himself and their sons.

Daughter takes the kids to McD's, Burger King, Taco Bell for lunch and buys them burgers, nuggets, and tacos. She just eats fries. Subway? She gets them a turkey sub and herself a veggie one.

My personal view is that the grandsons could eat far better meals than ANYTHING at a Fast Food restaurant; meat or otherwise. Give them a PB &J sandwich, and it's VEGAN. They aren't allergic to peanuts. I think she just plain does not want to or like cooking, period.

My "beef" is having to make something different for her than the rest of the family. Again, bring and cook your own food.

To quote my older daughter, "Our 70 year old Mom shouldn't be cooking for all of us, let alone separate for you" "We should now be cooking Holiday Dinners for HER". Although I do like cooking, maybe she has a point? My husband agrees with her.

[Siwsan]

46. My nephew and his wife are so hard core, they'd make their dogs and cats vegan, if they could

I offered to buy vegan dinners for them, when my niece got married, so that they could enjoy the reception. My niece was having a Cuban restaurant do the catering, and (surprise surprise) they had no vegan options. So the kids ordered the food and when I went to pay for it, I almost fainted. I ended up shelling out over $80 for 2 adults and one toddler's meals. And then they ate at the Air B&B so that they wouldn't be in the presence of the very tasty chicken and picadillo the rest of use were enjoying.

To say that we all felt a bit insulted and disrespected is an understatement.

[hunter]

50. I don't expect our dogs to be vegan.

They eat Costco dog food, more meat than my wife and I do.

I'm sure that makes us some kind of hypocrites.

[RobinA]

57. No It Doesn't

Your dogs need meat. If you can be healthy without it that’s your call, but dogs and especially cats are carnivores, period.

[handmade34]

38. because

they are lazy, disrespectful, apathetic, ignorant assholes jmho

[Ilsa]

40. I'm only upset with unnecessary gluten-free crap.

It's hard to find vital what gluten, or more than one brand of it, in a grocery store these days. Instead, there are tons of GF mixes for baked goods.

If someone has celiac, sure, GF is the only way to go, but I suspect a lot of people do the GF diet without noticing much change. We certainly didn't.

[customerserviceguy]

49. If you did a survey

and one of the multiple choice answers to "What is gluten?" was "A poison made by Monsanto" you'd be surprised how many people would pick that alternative.

[RobinA]

58. What????

You don’t hold out for gluten free water? Heathen!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

77. There's a lot of marketing hype. You see a lot of foods labeled as "gluten free"

that never had gluten in it in the first place. It's good that there's food that's available and properly labeled for people who do have gluten sensitivities like celiac disease, but of course everybody has to take advantage of the opportunity to create a fad to make a buck. "Oh, look, gluten-free tomatoes! And they're only $3 apiece! My chakras align so much better when I don't eat gluten."

[customerserviceguy]

83. You've hit the nail on the head

For some, it is simply a substitute New Age religion.

For those of you who don't fit this description, the zealots are ruining it for you. Maybe at the next meeting (pun not necessarily intended) you can ask them to give it a rest.

[aka-chmeee]

42. On the positive side....

Not one post trying to make the whole thing about race and no white men snark. Unusual!

[KT2000]

43. "they consider themselves to be special"

it is just the idea that people would have to cater to someone who is outside the norm.
The same reaction occurs for some with severe allergies. Even knowing the reaction could be life threatening, people have been known to surreptitiously expose the person to the allergen. When I developed serious sensitivities to certain chemicals, it didn't take me long to realize that for safety reasons it is best to not mention it. I concluded that people do not really like each other very much.

[hunter]

75. Bacon eaters are the worst "special" people.

I'm not allergic to bacon, but I do have a few "puts me in the Emergency Room" allergies but for epipens and diphenhydramine.

And yeah, in some situations I'd rather say I'm simply not hungry than mention it.

Exactly the same sort of people who would surreptitiously serve pork to a vegan or someone whose religion forbids it.

[yewberry]

47. I'd say this thread illustrates who the judgmental asshole in the room is.

All of y'all saying "Oh, I have no problem with vegans & what other people eat" and then shitting all over vegans who are not even responding is pretty fucked up.All it takes is one mention of veg*nism and all of a sudden it's the Purge.

So, for clarity, in a thread in which no veg*n has done more than mentioning veg*nism, on DU, my food choices make me:
*cultist
*absolutist
*annoying
*pretentious
*evangelical
*pretentious
*morally superior
*contemptuous
*a MAGAt
*self-righteous
*off-putting
*difficult
*a proselytizing religious fanatic
*insulting and disrespectful
*a lazy, disrespectful, apathetic, ignorant asshole

Yeah, for sure, those of us who just live our lives and make our own decisions without commenting on others' choices are the problem.

DU fucking sucks on this topic. It always has.

[MicaelS]

91. It isn't that too bad?

Check out your fellow Vegans calling carivores in this thread, murderers.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212306025#post24

Just proves everything negative posted about Vegans in this thread I true. Don't like it? Go talk to your fellow Vegans.

[yewberry]

96. Are you fucking kidding me?

Two people I don't know and you don't know said something that hurt your feeling and that makes this okay?

There's something broken in you.

[customerserviceguy]

48. We all know

what the hidden agenda is, to convince enough simple-minded people to ban meat, eggs, and dairy for the rest of us. Some of us rebel against that.

[yewberry]

51. Remember when you said that DU didn't have anything against veganism?

Read through this thread. DU hates us.

We have no interest in banning meat, eggs, and dairy. Your bizarre conspiracy theory is nonsense. Get a grip on yourself.

[customerserviceguy]

54. After they

banned me from their little sandbox for trying to explain it to them nicely, I'm determined to prove them right!

It was said facetiously, but feeds into their beliefs about those of us who are not vegetarian/vegan.

I'm all in favor of people eating whatever they want to eat, without shaming or proselytizing, and I was banned from their group for not being accepted for that point. Some of them probably do have an agenda that would use a slippery slope to take certain foods away from others.

[yewberry]

61. And I responded to you in that thread with my perspective

Which you clearly have not taken into account.

Remember when you said someone could mention veganism and it wouldn't be a problem? This thread shows how very wrong you are.

If you are actually "in favor of people eating whatever they want to eat, without shaming or proselytizing," how about me? Am I allowed to make my own choices without shaming or proselytizing? Obviously not. Look at what has been said in this thread about me. I don't engage in evangelism and I don't comment unless asked or challenged, but here we are.

What you people don't understand is that most of us don't engage in that behavior-- it is generally new vegans and annoying assholes who do. That vegan is the equivalent of the meat-eating fuckwit who insists on waving his burger in my face asking if I want a bite. Assholes are assholes regardless of which end of the spectrum they're on.

As for being banned from the VVAR group, why are you surprised? You went into a protected group to explain why you think we're jerks. Uh, that's some pretty simple math right there.

And again, no one is trying to take foods away from others. That's just plain silly.

[customerserviceguy]

67. Well, maybe I was wrong

Maybe DU doesn't like not only the ideas, but the people presenting them. And you have a good point about the newbies, there's a parallel with people who quit drinking or smoking, or who newly join a religion.

May I disagree with something you perceived about my posts on the VVAR group? I really wasn't trying to explain that they are jerks, I was trying to explain why they are perceived as jerks. I tried to make the point that leading by example was a more effective method than constantly being a PITA every time someone mentions meat.

At this point, no one is trying to take anything away from anybody else. But, if the number of people dedicated to vegetarianism/veganism becomes a sizable minority, that may well change. I can easily imagine say, California, trying to do away with at least meat on a statewide level in school lunches, prison meals, etc. someday.

I'm confident that I'll always be able to grab a burger for the rest of my life, especially where I've chosen to retire to, but it might not be that way for my grandchildren in Washington state.

[yewberry]

68. Glad you're willing to listen.

You're of course free to disagree. I agree with why we are perceived as jerks-- but as one of the people who is actually living as a low-key don't-judge-people "ONE OF THEM," it can be hard. Look at the attacks here in this thread. We really don't deserve this shit.

Leading by example has had mixed but sometimes positive results for me. My husband, cousins & in-laws think harder about their food choices. Not vegan, but who cares? They're making more informed choices, so that's a win. I wish my dad had made other choices-- he struggled with obesity & diabetes, amputation, had multiple heart attacks and a then catastrophic stroke which rendered him unable to produce or comprehend speech. It was a bad death and I am not signing up for that.

There are many of us who don't knee-jerk about meat, but I am hoping that you can understand that on our end, there are people who are constantly a PITA when veganism is mentioned.

Again, there is no one lobbying to take food choices away from meat-eaters. You are the majority and we are the hated minority, as evidenced here.

[Ptah]

60. This feels like a return to days of yore.

Circumcised pit bulls breast feeding at Olive Garden while munching on a kudzu salad.

[yewberry]

64. And Laura Branigan

eating cornflake chicken.

[mainer]

62. Because I worked all day to feed "vegan" guests their special dishes

And then they ate all the chicken I cooked for myself.

[Harker]

65. Some vegans.

https://m.

[Kaleva]

72. Because of their numerous posts complaining about how they are treated?

[wyldwolf]

73. Likely because vegans have a reputation (deserved or undeserved) for being preachy

[hlthe2b]

74. Veganism doesn't bother me, as I have lots of menu items I routinely cook/eat that will fit.

My last dinner party, however, quite coincidentally included guests requiring one or more of the following: nut-free, gluten-free, vegan, no shell-fish, phytic acid and lectin-free (no legumes or seeds), no nightshade foods (Potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, and eggplants)...

On the other extreme, I had low-carb, Ketogenic, Paleo diet eaters.


THIS, out of 10 total people. Fortunately, a friend had recommended I reach out ahead of time to identify dietary issues. I had to prepare three separate menus, labeling all the dishes with what they contained and even that may not have sufficed for everyone, though I genuinely did my best.

I don't cook much anymore and this was a real challenge.

But, I have to ask, is this typical now?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

76. A vegan wouldn't bite anybody's head off. That's meat.

[Blues Heron]

80. I think vegans are morally superior

because lets face it - meat is murder. There's just no way around that.

[Kaleva]

90. We do like to play God and decide what gets to live and what dies.

[Jake Stern]

81. The obnoxious preachiness many vegans have

If I want to know about the vegan lifestyle I will ask. Don’t be like a vegan (former) friend who
would do crap like asking me how death tastes while I’m eating dinner.

[customerserviceguy]

82. Man, would I have an answer for that former friend

Ask a stupid question, get an obnoxious answer.

[Jake Stern]

85. I told her it was delicious, especially with A1 sauce

[customerserviceguy]

86. Yeah, that's my favorite, too!

And we're talkin' the original version, not any of those goofy variations, either!

[Tipperary]

84. You know, I actually do not think I have ever met a vegan.

Lots of vegetarians, of course. I rarely eat meat myself; even as a kid I just did not like meat. Funny though, this thread made me realize that I have never met a vegan, or if I have, I was not aware of it.

[Phentex]

92. I don't know many either but now one lives with me...

while he finishes school. He is not preachy or judgmental. In fact, he went to a cookout at a friend's house and never even told anyone! And his college roommate was paleo so there was a lot of meat in the fridge. I think he's a kind of you do your thing, I'll do mine kinda guy.

He was raised an atheist. As far as I know, he still is.

[yewberry]

97. You have.

Most don't talk about it unless asked.

[JonLP24]

87. I had no idea there was so much vegan bashing

Meat grosses me out that's all there is to it for me.

[hunter]

93. They've forgotten they are made of meat, tastes like bacon.

And hardly any brighter than pigs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm