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I before E... (Original Post) MrScorpio Apr 2019 OP
Science says otherwise on "except after c" jberryhill Apr 2019 #1
I learned it as PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #2
English from 5 centuries ago is hard to understand Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #3
English 5 centuries ago really was a different language. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #7
And if you want to know about Shakespearian English... sakabatou Apr 2019 #8
Cantar de Mio Cid Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #9
Neither financier seized either species of weird leisure. Callmecrazy Apr 2019 #4
Speices? PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #5

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
2. I learned it as
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 06:01 PM
Apr 2019

I before E except after C, or when pronounced like A as in neighbor and weigh. I've also on occasion heard a longer version of that rule that names several specific exceptions, such as the word weird.

So whoever designed that cup simply doesn't know the full rule.

I do get tired of people pissing and moaning all the time about English spelling. Our variegated spelling is a proud tribute to the fact that we've acquired so many words from so many other languages. Oh, and if you want to go to some sort of phonetic spelling, which pronunciation will you make standard?

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
3. English from 5 centuries ago is hard to understand
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 06:53 PM
Apr 2019

Spanish from 10 centuries ago is still as readable as modern Spanish.

I'm at a loss at which is the better option.

Is being stuck in a 1,000 year old culture a good thing?


PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
7. English 5 centuries ago really was a different language.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 09:23 PM
Apr 2019

Which is why forcing people today to read Shakespeare in the original almost never makes them appreciate it, let alone love it.

In other countries Shakespeare is routinely re-translated, so they are always reading or seeing it performed in their current language. Whereas students in English speaking countries have to have a lot of words and phrases footnoted, which is hardly conducive to easy reading.

And somehow I doubt that thousand year ago Spanish would be all that readable, today. Maybe 500 year old Spanish.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
9. Cantar de Mio Cid
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:25 AM
Apr 2019

Composed sometime between 1140 and 1207

Still taught in high school in Mexico.

Still readable to modern Spanish speakers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantar_de_mio_Cid


Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
4. Neither financier seized either species of weird leisure.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:01 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Sun Apr 14, 2019, 10:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Those are the exceptions.

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

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