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UTUSN

(70,755 posts)
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 10:11 PM Nov 2018

Can we agree - top *popular*/live-forever movies - allow me to cast my vote:


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Can we agree - top *popular*/live-forever movies - allow me to cast my vote: (Original Post) UTUSN Nov 2018 OP
Sound of Music. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #1
Well, my key word *was* "popular" so... UTUSN Nov 2018 #2
A Hard Day's Night 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2018 #3
Yes! Cartoonist Nov 2018 #6
West Side Story Lochloosa Nov 2018 #4
GWTW is barely better than HopeAgain Nov 2018 #5
I take your point, but in this category (flash, drama) ideology is sidelined. UTUSN Nov 2018 #7
GWTW has some unfortunate moments, agreed. Merlot Nov 2018 #8
I missed it when I was a teen but when I thought of it later it turns out Ashley and his applegrove Nov 2018 #9
That scene may have gone over my head as well Merlot Nov 2018 #12
Yes. It was not a kkk lynching but a foreshadowing of what was to come. I have applegrove Nov 2018 #13
Thank you. That scene of the field of wounded, selfish Scarlett & beleaguered doctor UTUSN Nov 2018 #10
Thanks for describing that scene so well Merlot Nov 2018 #11
Play it Sam DiverDave Nov 2018 #14

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
8. GWTW has some unfortunate moments, agreed.
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 10:47 PM
Nov 2018

But it has some great moments and great actors. It also had a strong anti-war statement in the scene of all the men at the train station dying due to lack of medical care.

Scarlett was feminist, Ashley was a pacifist and abolitionist, and Rhett was a free-thinker who had some fine words to say about war-profiteers even though he was himself one.

All in all, I wish they could re-edit the movie to get rid of the objectionable scenes and show the destruction, arrogance, and devistation that is war and how it affected civilians.

applegrove

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9. I missed it when I was a teen but when I thought of it later it turns out Ashley and his
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 11:00 PM
Nov 2018

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friends started the Klu Klux Klan one night. I related to the character Melanie as a teen. Not alot of characters in fiction who were such ninnies at the time. That should have been a warning to myself as well. A lot went over my head as a teen.

Merlot

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12. That scene may have gone over my head as well
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 11:21 PM
Nov 2018

I read the book (my pre-teen friends and I practally memorized it!) and the scene where the men go out to avenge Scarlett was after she had ridden home from the mill by herself, which was a nod to how dangerous the times were during reconstruction.

But I thought the man who attacted her was white, and the black man (Big Sam) saved her. So the men who went out to avenge her were not actually looking for the white man who attempted to attack her. Agreed, looking back on it I see that they were a pre-cursor to the kkk.

applegrove

(118,832 posts)
13. Yes. It was not a kkk lynching but a foreshadowing of what was to come. I have
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 11:24 PM
Nov 2018

not read or seen the movie since I was 18. So my memory is foggy.

UTUSN

(70,755 posts)
10. Thank you. That scene of the field of wounded, selfish Scarlett & beleaguered doctor
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 11:00 PM
Nov 2018

Screen full of closeup faces of Scarlet and doctor, her begging/insisting he go tend Melanie, him saying he can't go, can't go (without saying why), and the camera pans away to the side and in the background is the acres of wounded - magnificent characterization of Scarlett's selfishness and thoughtlessness and the doctor's humane duty, ending with the f***ing confederate flag waving over the wounded.

Then there's just looking at Vivien LEIGH.

************We are all fully aware of hateful ideology. Then there's Art. Art for Art's sake. I hate Richard WAGNER, nod my head to his music (and on and on).







Merlot

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11. Thanks for describing that scene so well
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 11:12 PM
Nov 2018

I can still see that scene in my mind's eye, it was very powerful, made an impact on me as a young teenager the first time I saw it.

The doctor was so resigned to death, to the fact that there was so little he could do. On his face you saw the despair. I always took Scarletts selfishness in that scene to be a larger comment on how people who didn't actually fight the wars were oblivious to what actually happened on a battle field.

And yes, the stupid confederate flag, waving over all the despair. What a symbol that shot was.

Both Vivien Leight and Clark Gable - so telegenic, and so well matched on screen!

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