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red dog 1

(27,837 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:01 PM Oct 2018

Name a bad movie that was adapted from a good novel

Joseph Heller's "Catch 22" was a great novel, imo.

Director Mike Nichols and screenwriter Buck Henry worked on the film script for two years.
The 1970 film adaptation cost $18 million to make.

Mike Nichols has directed some of the best movies I've ever seen, including:

- The Birdcage
- Charlie Wilson's War
- The Graduate
- Postcards From the Edge
- Silkwood
- Gilda Live
- What Planet Are you From?

However, Catch 22 is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

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Name a bad movie that was adapted from a good novel (Original Post) red dog 1 Oct 2018 OP
Prince of Tides !!! DFW Oct 2018 #1
Pat Conroy was a great writer red dog 1 Oct 2018 #3
I never saw the film Great Santini DFW Oct 2018 #4
Same for the film "Catch 22" red dog 1 Oct 2018 #41
Dune IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2018 #2
I agree. Excellent novel, but the movie just sucked. ret5hd Oct 2018 #6
My choice too. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #9
OMG so true--what a giant gasbag of a movie that was flibbitygiblets Oct 2018 #85
All of them? unblock Oct 2018 #5
It's probably easier to butcher a good novel that to "pretty up" a bad one. ret5hd Oct 2018 #7
Yes. And few studios are likely to pick up a bad novel and say "yes! Let's film that!" unblock Oct 2018 #10
The Mist qazplm135 Oct 2018 #11
"Better than" is one thing. But would he say the book was "terrible"? unblock Oct 2018 #12
I was responding to this: qazplm135 Oct 2018 #23
yeah, guess i shouldn't have reworded it. unblock Oct 2018 #25
Hell yes! Glamrock Oct 2018 #57
To Kill A Mockingbird lunamagica Oct 2018 #29
not a terrible book. unblock Oct 2018 #30
I misread your post. Sorry lunamagica Oct 2018 #34
I'm not sure I agree about Catch-22 being a bad movie. Aristus Oct 2018 #8
I agree. The movie was a good snapshot of the book. FSogol Oct 2018 #64
Oh, man, that would be sweet! geardaddy Oct 2018 #68
I agree with you. geardaddy Oct 2018 #67
The Scarlet Letter. Squinch Oct 2018 #13
Frank Herbert's "Dune" The Blue Flower Oct 2018 #14
I loved the books but ronatchig Oct 2018 #16
The mini series was better... wcmagumba Oct 2018 #26
Just about any Stephen King book, except It... SKKY Oct 2018 #15
Very much agree The Genealogist Oct 2018 #18
Pretty hard to beat the movie version of "The Shawshank Redemption." (nt) Paladin Oct 2018 #24
Uhmmm... OilemFirchen Oct 2018 #39
The Green Mile? Flaleftist Oct 2018 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Flaleftist Oct 2018 #45
"The Dead Zone" film is even better than the book. Every change they made was for the better. Midwestern Democrat Oct 2018 #49
I liked that the child in the end was a stranger. I thought that was so much more mucifer Oct 2018 #90
Wasn't a fan of either to be honest... SKKY Oct 2018 #62
I agree about his horror stories but Stand by Me and Shawshank were great! Va Lefty Oct 2018 #93
i like the movie of carie rampartc Oct 2018 #102
Most any of the movies made from Robert Heinlein novels. rsdsharp Oct 2018 #17
I'd love to see someone do a good job with "--If This Goes On"... First Speaker Oct 2018 #21
The best description of 'Starship Troopers' I saw was... SeattleVet Oct 2018 #55
I think I've owned three copies of the novel over the years. rsdsharp Oct 2018 #66
The "Starship Troopers" flick has been one of my guilty pleasures, for years. Paladin Oct 2018 #71
The film version of Starship Troopers has the advantage Codeine Oct 2018 #89
Sorry. No. rsdsharp Oct 2018 #94
Apocalypse now TEB Oct 2018 #19
George Clooney is coming out with a new "Catch 22" movie. Paladin Oct 2018 #20
Breakfast of Champions with Bruce Willis as Dwayne Hoover. FSogol Oct 2018 #65
That was a casting disaster! geardaddy Oct 2018 #69
The Bible... First Speaker Oct 2018 #22
You win the thread... ADX Oct 2018 #28
Practical Magic by Alice Hoffman. madaboutharry Oct 2018 #27
The Choirboys. A good Joseph Wambaugh novel turned into a movie he at least hated. brewens Oct 2018 #31
Recently, "Ready Player One". Loved the book and don't understand sinkingfeeling Oct 2018 #32
I agree. wcast Oct 2018 #101
The Power of One ploppy Oct 2018 #33
Simon Birch Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2018 #35
That movie was an absolute travesty. Paladin Oct 2018 #37
The Cider House Rules got watered way down... skypilot Oct 2018 #76
The Host Baitball Blogger Oct 2018 #36
The Ralph Bakshi version of LOTR sakabatou Oct 2018 #38
Sometimes a Great Notion is s great novel. The movie Hassler Oct 2018 #40
Kudos here techne7319 Oct 2018 #56
Well, they originally started filming with a Universal TV director, then he got fired shortly after Midwestern Democrat Oct 2018 #86
White Hunter Black Heart MaryMagdaline Oct 2018 #42
The Milagro Beanfield War shanny Oct 2018 #43
Good choice. Paladin Oct 2018 #47
Interview with the Vampire - Anne Rice IcyPeas Oct 2018 #46
That was the 1st one mercuryblues Oct 2018 #63
"Emma" with Gwenyth Paltrow Coventina Oct 2018 #48
The Hobbit Codeine Oct 2018 #50
The Excorcist. The book scared me to death. The move was kinda laughable. Kajun Gal Oct 2018 #51
The book scared me to death too! red dog 1 Oct 2018 #81
World War Z RandySF Oct 2018 #52
Johnny Mnemonic AnnieBW Oct 2018 #53
I tried to watch that recently; Codeine Oct 2018 #87
The Clan of the Cave Bear SeattleVet Oct 2018 #54
That was what I thought. Doreen Oct 2018 #58
The Great Gatsby -any version LibDemAlways Oct 2018 #59
See, I thought the latest was quite good... SKKY Oct 2018 #61
"Hannibal" DetlefK Oct 2018 #60
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter geardaddy Oct 2018 #70
Congo. nt miyazaki Oct 2018 #72
The Firm Mendocino Oct 2018 #73
I hated that they changed the ending. The LibDemAlways Oct 2018 #75
I remember reading the novel on my breaks at work and being rather drawn into it. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2018 #78
The film needed another Mendocino Oct 2018 #82
The getaway was the best, most suspenseful part of the book. LibDemAlways Oct 2018 #83
Remember the Nordic? Mendocino Oct 2018 #84
Bambi Leith Oct 2018 #74
LOTR and the Narnia books. LisaM Oct 2018 #77
Bridges of Madison County Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #79
John Carter (of Mars) Basic LA Oct 2018 #80
I sort of enjoyed the film, to be honest. Codeine Oct 2018 #88
Bonfire of the Vanities. edbermac Oct 2018 #91
I enjoyed Postcards From the Edge. zanana1 Oct 2018 #92
So did I red dog 1 Oct 2018 #95
"Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me" was a novel written by Richard Farina red dog 1 Oct 2018 #96
I usually go in reverse Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2018 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2018 #98
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas jmowreader Oct 2018 #99
Simon Birch MissMillie Oct 2018 #100
Alice in Wonderland Cartoonist Oct 2018 #103

red dog 1

(27,837 posts)
3. Pat Conroy was a great writer
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:13 PM
Oct 2018

The Great Santini is one of my all-time favorite novels.
The film was very good as well

DFW

(54,415 posts)
4. I never saw the film Great Santini
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:17 PM
Oct 2018

I did see "Conrack," which was OK. But Barbra Streisand somehow thought she could take Prince of Tides (the novel), and remake it with her imprint. The trouble is, she had about as much insight into the Southern mind as she did into how to be Pope. The film had NONE of the book's charm, sarcasm, wit, or raw emotion. It went nowhere fast and stayed there.

red dog 1

(27,837 posts)
41. Same for the film "Catch 22"
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:51 PM
Oct 2018

The movie had none of the Joseph Heller book's "charm, sarcasm, wit or raw emotion.'
And it too "went nowhere fast and stayed there."

unblock

(52,276 posts)
5. All of them?
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:20 PM
Oct 2018

Last edited Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:10 PM - Edit history (1)

No, really. It seems universal for people who have read the book to say the movie wasn't as good.

How many great movies were actually based off terrible books?


on edit: not meant to imply there aren't a few better movies made from good books.
i just can't think of any good movies made from "terrible" books.
must be a short list....

ret5hd

(20,502 posts)
7. It's probably easier to butcher a good novel that to "pretty up" a bad one.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:23 PM
Oct 2018

Sows ear and all that.

unblock

(52,276 posts)
10. Yes. And few studios are likely to pick up a bad novel and say "yes! Let's film that!"
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oct 2018

Then again, there's no accounting for taste....

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
23. I was responding to this:
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:40 PM
Oct 2018

"No, really. It seems universal for people who have read the book to say the movie wasn't as good."

unblock

(52,276 posts)
25. yeah, guess i shouldn't have reworded it.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:56 PM
Oct 2018

there are exceptions where people who read the book think the movie actually is better.
didn't mean to introduce a tangent.

my point was simply that terrible movies made from good books is more the norm than good movies made from terrible books.
the latter list would be quite short imho.

Aristus

(66,432 posts)
8. I'm not sure I agree about Catch-22 being a bad movie.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:26 PM
Oct 2018

It may not be as good as the book, but it captures very well, I think, the sheer nasty ugly lunacy of war.

FSogol

(45,504 posts)
64. I agree. The movie was a good snapshot of the book.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:52 AM
Oct 2018

Some streaming service should do it, faithfully following the book as a 8-10 hour series.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
67. I agree with you.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:05 AM
Oct 2018

I thought the movie was pretty good. It wasn't necessarily a good adaptation of the novel, which was excellent, but I thought the movie was pretty decent.

SKKY

(11,814 posts)
15. Just about any Stephen King book, except It...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:01 PM
Oct 2018

...His books just don't translate to the screen well. Not sure why.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
18. Very much agree
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:07 PM
Oct 2018

I read most of Stephen kings books in high school, so more than once. "Stand By Me" was pretty good, but most of the rest of them just didn't do the books justice. He is just so good at appealing to the reader's imagination and getting it to work, that a film kind of gets in the way.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
44. The Green Mile?
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 07:23 PM
Oct 2018

Aside from some minor details and a little more information about Paul's situation at the retirement home, the movie seemed pretty similar to the book, from what I recall.

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #39)

49. "The Dead Zone" film is even better than the book. Every change they made was for the better.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 09:53 PM
Oct 2018

I think good vs bad Stephen King adaptations comes down to the director and cast - if you get Stanley Kubrick, you get "The Shining". If you get David Cronenberg, you get "The Dead Zone". But if you get a director that even a major film buff like me has never heard of, the results are going to be more like "Firestarter" and "Pet Semetary".

mucifer

(23,557 posts)
90. I liked that the child in the end was a stranger. I thought that was so much more
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:42 PM
Oct 2018

powerful than in the movie when it was his girlfriend's child.

That's how I remember it. But, I read it a long time ago. I might be wrong.

SKKY

(11,814 posts)
62. Wasn't a fan of either to be honest...
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 08:50 AM
Oct 2018

....but then again, most of my closest friends love, love, love Bob Dylan, and I can't stand him. So, take my opinion with a grain of salt.

rampartc

(5,428 posts)
102. i like the movie of carie
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:38 AM
Oct 2018

but i am a fan of sissy spacek. i agree on all athers being bad, especially the shining. and speaking of kubrick ........

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
17. Most any of the movies made from Robert Heinlein novels.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:03 PM
Oct 2018

Puppet Masters and Starship Troopers were excellent novels -- Troops won a Hugo. Both movies with the original novel titles were bad. The four Trooper sequels were hideous. Puppet Masters was a little better than the original Troopers but I may have been swayed a bit by the fact that some of the movie was filmed in Des Moines. The building I work in is shown in the helicopter scene; they flew between my building and the Hub Tower across the street.

Heinlein was also one of the writers and technical adviser for the 1951 film Destination Moon, which is loosely based on his juvenile novel Rocker Ship Galileo. That movie wasn't too bad.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
55. The best description of 'Starship Troopers' I saw was...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 11:07 PM
Oct 2018

"Somewhat loosely based on the cover art of one edition of the novel by Robert Heinlein."

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
66. I think I've owned three copies of the novel over the years.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:44 AM
Oct 2018

I must have missed that cover. The shower scene was interesting, though, even though it really belonged in Joe Haldeman's Forever War, rather than Starship Troopers.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
71. The "Starship Troopers" flick has been one of my guilty pleasures, for years.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:56 AM
Oct 2018

I can recall times gone by, when my young daughters would come into the study, take a look at the TV, and shout "Mom! Dad's watching the bug movie again."

And before too much longer, I'll have grandkids old enough to enjoy it with me. Life is good.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
89. The film version of Starship Troopers has the advantage
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:47 PM
Oct 2018

of not being an open love letter to fascism, however. It rather cleverly skewers Heinlein’s politics at several points, in fact.

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
94. Sorry. No.
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 03:15 PM
Oct 2018

Heinlein was not a fascist. In the 1930s while, married to Leslyn, he was a liberal Democrat. In fact, he was virtually a socialist. He avidly supported Upton Sinclair's EPIC (End Poverty in California) movement.

After he divorced Leslyn, and married Ginny in 1948, he adopted her political views, and became increasingly more conservative. He could most accurately be viewed as a Libertarian in the last 3-4 decades of his life. He never supported the blending of government and business (Mussolini called it "Corporatism&quot that was Fascism.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
20. George Clooney is coming out with a new "Catch 22" movie.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:22 PM
Oct 2018

Kyle Chandler co-stars.

I agree the original doesn't hold up too well. It was made during the height of the Vietnam protests, and the script lays the anti-military stuff on a bit thick. Uninspired acting throughout, particularly a listless Alan Arkin as Yosarian. And who the hell thought casting Art Garfunkel was a good idea?

Here's hoping that Clooney's new version of a classic novel is a lot better.

madaboutharry

(40,213 posts)
27. Practical Magic by Alice Hoffman.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:02 PM
Oct 2018

A story about two sisters, who are the descendants of a long line of witches and are witches themselves. It is a moving and serious book about sibling relationships and finding your way in a world where you will never fit in. It is serious literature.

Then came along a silly slapstick movie with Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock that was not only ridiculous but an outright sacrilege.

brewens

(13,603 posts)
31. The Choirboys. A good Joseph Wambaugh novel turned into a movie he at least hated.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:09 PM
Oct 2018

I don't remember it real well.

sinkingfeeling

(51,466 posts)
32. Recently, "Ready Player One". Loved the book and don't understand
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:17 PM
Oct 2018

why they had to change all the challenges in the movie and who went to debtors' servitude.

wcast

(595 posts)
101. I agree.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:58 AM
Oct 2018

Loved the book and all of the 80s references. Couldn't wait to see it on the big screen. I hated the movie so much that I immediately reread the book.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,188 posts)
35. Simon Birch
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:30 PM
Oct 2018

It was an attempt at adapting John Irving's "A Prayer for Owen Meany", but was so watered down in content and story that they changed the main character's name and merely claimed it was "inspired" by the Irving novel. In the end, a very forgettable movie.

I remember watching The Firm after reading the novel and thinking it was lacking compared to the book.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
37. That movie was an absolute travesty.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:54 PM
Oct 2018

I have friends who regard the Owen Meany book as holy writ. I like it, but of all of John Irving's novels, my favorite is "The World According To Garp"---and come to think of it, the movie version of "Garp" came up way short of the brilliant book (particularly the book's astounding, heart-wrenching ending).

skypilot

(8,854 posts)
76. The Cider House Rules got watered way down...
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:17 PM
Oct 2018

...on it's way to the big screen as well. I don't remember anything about it accept that Michael Caine was in it somewhere. I think.

Hassler

(3,382 posts)
40. Sometimes a Great Notion is s great novel. The movie
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:32 PM
Oct 2018

Is only so so. The musical score is especially bad.

techne7319

(173 posts)
56. Kudos here
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 11:27 PM
Oct 2018

SAGN is the most magnificently written books I’ve ever read - the visually illuminating detail, in-depth psychological perspectives, rhythmic writing style, all of it - a masterpiece which I reread every couple of years. I was so excited to finally find the movie on DVD a few years ago. I was sorely disappointed. The movie didn’t capture any of the magic of the book. It came off as cheap and “campy.” A honorable cinematic rendition would require a series format along the lines of “Lonesome Dove.”

86. Well, they originally started filming with a Universal TV director, then he got fired shortly after
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:39 PM
Oct 2018

filming began and Paul Newman took over the direction (and Newman, as great as he was an actor, did not really have any particular skill at directing - his directorial debut "Rachel, Rachel" got a lot of praise in 1968, but he never came close to repeating that success in the few attempts he made at directing after that - his primary motivation for directing seemed to be providing Joanne Woodward acting showcases). This kind of puzzles me - a book of that pedigree; Hollywood's biggest star (only McQueen was Newman's equal) in the starring role; a cast including Henry Fonda and Lee Remick - and they penny pinch on the director? They don't try to get someone at the level of a Martin Ritt or a Sidney Lumet? They get a guy who was directing episodes of "Ironside"?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
50. The Hobbit
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:36 PM
Oct 2018

What a fucking abortion those films ended up being, which is even more galling when one considers what the same folks did with LotR.

red dog 1

(27,837 posts)
81. The book scared me to death too!
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 04:47 PM
Oct 2018

But I liked the movie, and it scared me too.
(When I got home from the 10 PM showing, I noticed for the first time that there was a trap door in the ceiling of my room...From then on, I had to leave a small light on in my room every night)

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
54. The Clan of the Cave Bear
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 11:02 PM
Oct 2018

Jean M. Auel's original book was actually quite good, and (the first in the series, at least) pretty well researched.

The movie was pure trash.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
60. "Hannibal"
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 03:27 AM
Oct 2018

The book has such complex characters and multiple strands and the end surprises and shocks. You can feel your sanity slip bit by bit. You finally understand the twisted logic behind Hannibal Lecter's murders and cannibalism. The why.

For the movie they cut so, so much. They fused 3 side-characters into one. And they changed a great ending into one that doesn't fit Hannibal Lecter's character-motivation.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
75. I hated that they changed the ending. The
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:15 PM
Oct 2018

last chapter of the book was a seat of the pants page turner. The movie ending was a cop out.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,188 posts)
78. I remember reading the novel on my breaks at work and being rather drawn into it.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:21 PM
Oct 2018

Once I finished, I immediately rented the movie and I don't remember much about it other than feeling rather let down that it wasn't nearly as good as the book.

I felt a little bit the same about Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, which I also read on my breaks at my summer job.

Mendocino

(7,497 posts)
82. The film needed another
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 05:52 PM
Oct 2018

45 minutes of running time. They had no time left for the getaway, so they chopped half the narrative to fit it in.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
83. The getaway was the best, most suspenseful part of the book.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 07:05 PM
Oct 2018

Some of the earlier fat should have been trimmed to make room for it. What a disappointment that ending was.

Mendocino

(7,497 posts)
84. Remember the Nordic?
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 07:26 PM
Oct 2018

Do you recall the other stooge? None other than Dean Norris, Hank from Breaking Bad.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
74. Bambi
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 01:36 PM
Oct 2018

I read the original Bambi (in translation) by Felix Salten when I was a kid. The Disney movie was the first movie I was disappointed in.

LisaM

(27,816 posts)
77. LOTR and the Narnia books.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:20 PM
Oct 2018

Peter Jackson missed the point of the LOTR books by the widest margin I've ever seen, and I have seen many bad adaptations.

My mother would say "Mary Poppins", which certainly veers off course from the books.

Oh, and the CBC "Anne of Green Gables", I about LOST it, and I'm talking about the Megan Fellows version.

The Keira Knightly version of "Pride and Prejudice" makes me angry, too.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
88. I sort of enjoyed the film, to be honest.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:42 PM
Oct 2018

It was horribly mistreated by the studio after an executive shakeup made it a bit of a red-headed stepchild.

red dog 1

(27,837 posts)
96. "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me" was a novel written by Richard Farina
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 06:14 PM
Oct 2018

It's a truly great novel, imo, but the movie they adapted from the book was terrible.

Shortly after the novel came out in 1966, Richard Farina was killed in a motorcycle accident...He was 29.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,422 posts)
97. I usually go in reverse
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:20 PM
Oct 2018

Watch the movie and then read the book. I usually find that I can enjoy them both with few exceptions. The only thing that sometimes annoys me is how movies tend to "sex up" in terms of drama and action compared to what happens in the books but OTOH if some movies try too hard to copy the book, they can be a bit boring and plodding.

Response to red dog 1 (Original post)

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
99. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 02:21 AM
Oct 2018

Made from the most unfilmable book ever written, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas may be the most unwatchable movie ever made.

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