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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:16 PM Dec 2017

A Fascinating Foreign Service Map Ranking Language Difficulty by Time Required to Learn

https://laughingsquid.com/foreign-service-institute-language-difficulty-rankings/

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When a person enters the United States Foreign Service, it’s imperative that they learn at least one, if not many different languages. The State Department very conveniently offers their own School of Language Studies, which has put together a fascinating map that shows the time needed for an English speaker to learn specific languages, each ranked and categorized by difficulty.
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A Fascinating Foreign Service Map Ranking Language Difficulty by Time Required to Learn (Original Post) steve2470 Dec 2017 OP
Interesting. I think they are also saying that you would have to study it for at least 40 hours spooky3 Dec 2017 #1
Arabic is harder than Estonian, Finnish or Hungarian ?? eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #2
The Department of Defense has a slightly different language difficulty scale jmowreader Dec 2017 #3
Went to DLI and kairos12 Dec 2017 #4
I speak Mandarin, and I find it to be very easy geardaddy Dec 2017 #10
Interesting that German is more difficult for English speakers than sarge43 Dec 2017 #5
That is interesting ailsagirl Dec 2017 #6
German grammar is a lot more complicated than English grammar. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #8
You mean... malthaussen Dec 2017 #9
I flunked Russian and went with German. NightWatcher Dec 2017 #7
Of course they don't classify the Celtic languages geardaddy Dec 2017 #11
This is really interesting. I love languages. I think English is considered very difficult. Tipperary Dec 2017 #12

spooky3

(34,460 posts)
1. Interesting. I think they are also saying that you would have to study it for at least 40 hours
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

each week for the time period specified.

eppur_se_muova

(36,271 posts)
2. Arabic is harder than Estonian, Finnish or Hungarian ??
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:45 PM
Dec 2017

OK, you have to learn a new alphabet to write Arabic, but neither Estonian, Finnish nor Hungarian is an Indo-European language (all are Finno-Ugric), so there is almost no transfer of language skills by comparison to other IE languages.

It's pretty obvious on that map that Indo-European languages are all considered I-IV, with all but Slavic languages being I-II.

Apparently Basque, Breton, Welsh, Gaelic and Faeroese(?) are all considered by the USFS to be diplomatically relevant.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
3. The Department of Defense has a slightly different language difficulty scale
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:12 PM
Dec 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Language_Aptitude_Battery

They have four Categories:

Category I languages: French, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish
Category II: German and Indonesian
Category III: Hebrew, Hindi, Persian Farsi, Dari, Punjabi, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Tagalog, Turkish, Uzbek and Urdu
Category IV: all three Arabic tracks, Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Pashto

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
10. I speak Mandarin, and I find it to be very easy
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:06 PM
Dec 2017

The reading/writing is the hard part. The grammar of Chinese is so simple - No conjugation, no verb inflections.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
5. Interesting that German is more difficult for English speakers than
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 08:52 PM
Dec 2017

Spanish, French or Italian. One would think German would be easier as its roots are closer to English than the Latin based Romance languages.

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
6. That is interesting
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:06 PM
Dec 2017

I found Spanish and German fairly easy, don't know Italian, but French is a very difficult language to learn. IMO

But I bet gaelic is tougher than any of them!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
8. German grammar is a lot more complicated than English grammar.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:57 AM
Dec 2017

There are a fair number of cognates but you have to learn a bunch of conjugations and declensions and which pronouns are dative and which are accusative and which nouns are masculine, feminine or neuter - a lot of stuff that you don't have to deal with in English. Also, they have this weird habit of sticking the verb at the end of the sentence.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. I flunked Russian and went with German.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:14 PM
Dec 2017

And the only thing I ever did in country with it was order breakfast for our entire table.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
12. This is really interesting. I love languages. I think English is considered very difficult.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:15 PM
Dec 2017

At least for non-English speakers it is! Although sadly, I have noticed it seems difficult even for those born to English speaking parents in English speaking countries.

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