Rachel Maddow - Climate change calls for new planning leadership

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[George Katona]

1. I am not a denialist, but

I am not a chicken little. Does man cause changes in the climate over time, yes. Can man change the climate in man's benefit, yeah right who knows. Can the frankenstorm be attributed to climate change, not likely. Here is an IPCC approved scientist making comments to the contrary.

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/10/sandy-and-top-20-normalized-us.html

Roger Jr. is a good professor that deserves some reading.

[limpyhobbler]

2. Sounds like climate change denial to me.

No single weather event can ever be attributed to climate change.

The sea levels are definitely rising. The oceans are getting warmer. Ice caps melting. That's a recipe for disasters.

The time for debate is over. It's time to stop burning oil, gas and coal.

Debate=delay.

[George Katona]

7. What should we burn for energy then?

Unicorns or witches? I spent $50k on/wind solar green shit, got at $20k tax rebate I couldn't use on my taxes, and the dam thing gave me 15% of what was promised on kW output. I am a retired guy looking to save money, guess I missed that mark. I am not happy.

[limpyhobbler]

8. Germany is doing it. We are falling behind because of ...a bad attitude or something...?

There are a lot of coal/oil/gas commercials on the TV too. That's probably affecting some attitudes.

German official says expansion of renewable energy production outpacing forecasts

BERLIN — The production of renewable energies in Germany is expected to grow faster than the government’s forecast and account for almost half of the country’s electricity within a decade, a top official said Monday.

The current boom in new installations of wind, solar and other renewable power sources will easily top the official target of 35 percent by 2022, reaching about 48 percent by then, said Stephan Kohler, who heads the government-affiliated agency overseeing Germany’s electricity grid.

“I think this is a realistic dimension,” Kohler said. “By then we can manage to integrate it in our electricity grid.”

He cautioned, however, that his Federal Network Agency’s assessment shows that more and swifter investment is needed to upgrade the electricity grid to cope with the influx of unstable and geographically dispersed renewable energies.
...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/german-official-says-renewable-energy-expansion-outpaces-forecasts-to-achieve-50pct-by-2025/2012/10/29/38f73ae6-21b8-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html

[Spitfire of ATJ]

9. Sounds like you got screwed by your contractor.

[greiner3]

11. Me thinks;

The self described 'Straw Man' doth protest to much.

[JDPriestly]

6. Interesting to note that the latest date for the previous huge hurricanes

was October 19. Sandy came on October 29.

One storm may or may not be attributable to climate change, but climate change due to human use of fossil fuels is pretty undeniable.

The ocean tells the story. The atmosphere tells the story. Specific storms may or may not be as aberrant as we might think. One thing is certain, plants in my garden in Los Angeles that have been here since I moved in a quarter of a century ago now begin to sprout and bloom weeks before they did then. The change is more noticeably each year. The warming over all is pretty obvious to gardeners in locations that are climate-change-sensitive. In some areas of our country, the warming is so obvious it is undeniable.

We shall see what sort of winter we have. It should be interesting. I am switching to drought-resistant plants and landscapes as are my neighbors.

[greiner3]

10. "Here is an IPCC approved scientist..."

Uhhhhh, dude, there is no such a critter.

In fact he states;
"Pielke has criticized the IPCC for its conclusions regarding CO2 and global warming and accused it of selectively choosing data to support a selective view of the science."

Actually, this guy is a committed climate change denier.

"Roger Jr. is a good professor..."

Uhhhh, how often do YOU have him over for dinner?

Or is he the 'main course?'

[hatrack]

12. "I'm not a racist, but . . . " Weak sauce, newbie - oh, and Climate Audit? You're kidding, right?

EDIT

The Auditor - Every new research paper is examined not for its logic, focus or internal consistency but instead is mercilessly scoured for incomplete or misstated descriptions of methods, unavailable or messy online archives of data, computer code that does not run on every machine of any configuration right out of the box, statistical assumptions that rely on understanding the physical reality they are describing. All explanations offered are only excuses for shoddy work, all acknowledgments of possible alternate approaches are admissions of fraud. Such treatment is, of course, reserved exclusively for papers that support the climate consensus.

How They See Themselves:


How The World Sees Them:


Favorite blog: Climate Audit
Special attack: Relentlessly ignore the forest while hammering away on the weakest tree (usually a Bristlecone Pine)
Favorite Topic: MBH98, a fourteen year old dendrochronology study of temperatures over the past 1000 years and the iconic “Hockey stick” graph it produced. Also any related statistical minutiae, usually misrepresented.
Best counter: There is none.

The Sanctity Of Science Concern Troll - Why oh why are climate scientists and their defenders so mean? If only Gavin Schmidt and the Real Climate team would be less snarky we could all trust the IPCC reports. (The abusive vitriol and real life death threats directed at working climate scientists never get noticed, of course.) For these creatures, the over-arching issue of our time is not mass species extinction, the possible collapse of global civilization or environmental destruction via climate chaos, rather it is how the reputation of scientists as the dispassionate, robotic investigators of irrelevant minutiae is threatened. Scientists must hurry back to the lab and stop all the hysterics about floods, famines and sea level rise before people actually listen!

How They See Themselves:


How The World Sees Them:


Favorite blog: Roger Pielke Jr.’s Blog
Special attack: You just said “We have to do something!!” You are now a “policy advocate” and now that you have politicized your science anything you have to say is inadmissible. Go directly to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect any more research funding.
Favorite Topic: The science-politics interface and how science has no place there (?).
Best counter: Ignore.

EDIT

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2012/10/climate-trolls-an-illustrated-bestiary/

[qwyatt]

3. Climate change is definitely attributable

Even the NYTimes says that.

[George Katona]

4. Yeah,

real science is a bitch.

[George Katona]

5. Steve's

analysis is good. What say you...

http://climateaudit.org/2012/10/30/karoly-and-gergis-vs-journal-of-climate/