Romney CHEATED @ debates (caught on tape)

[Why Syzygy]

Romney Magic Trick Exposed!

Romney's Amazing Sleight of Hand Performance!

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams or other writings can be used by the candidates; however, they can take notes on the type of paper of their choosing.The candidates cannot ask each other direct questions, but can ask rhetorical questions.The candidates cannot address each other with proposed pledges.Each candidate can use his own makeup artist.No candidate is allowed to use risers or any other device to make them look taller.The Coin Toss: At least 72 hours before the first debate, there will be a coin toss on the order of questioning and closing arguments."

[CaptJasHook]

1. Wow.

Well, at least Romney has humanized himself. Now we know he is the asswipe we all knew he was in high school.

[Satch59]

3. his zinger sheet?

...or maybe it was another candidate's talking points and that's the reason for all his lies...
...or Obama's camp switched his pants so he'd just recite what it says, proving he's an empty suit...

[rhett o rick]

8. I guess, if a sociopath is human. nm

[2pooped2pop]

32. there is much more to this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=119479

be sure to check out the threads further down about when he picked his papers back up and fumbles with them before passing off to his son.

It is curious.

[KansDem]

2. Man! Does Ann have the servants count the silverware..

...whenever Mitt leaves the house(s)!

Even with a cheat sheet, he lies.

That was pretty blatant.

[caseymoz]

71. Why do I have the feeling . . .

. . . that under Romney the US Treasury is going to be relocated to the Cayman Islands? And I thought Bush was mendacious!

[golfguru]

85. What's wrong with that?

Cayman's are beautiful. Have stopped there a few times during Caribbean cruises.

[ywcachieve]

96. The Caymans are NOT America, silly.

So why do you think it is OK for our TREASURY to be there?

[golfguru]

102. Are you driving a foreign car?

Do you own an Apple Co. product? Thay are manufactured in China. Have you checked labels on items you buy? 80% of stuff in US Retail stores is foreign made. Whether you like it or not we are in an international market place. If it is cheaper to operate from Cayman Islands instead of super inflated real-estate market of Wash DC, I see nothing wrong in setting up operations anywhere.

[ywcachieve]

107. No dear, our Treasury does not belong in a foreign country.

And the car I drive has nothing to do with it. And no, I do not drive a foreign car, for what it is worth.

[golfguru]

108. My compliments

for not driving a foreign car. I am also driving my 9th American made new car.
So long as I have a decent option to buy American, I never prefer anything foreign.
And that includes my choice of women hahaha.

[heaven05]

4. yeah

I wondered about that action. I saw that and said out loud A liar and a cheater.

[littlemissmartypants]

5. So what did he take out

of his pocket...I don't get what this proves. Please help me understand it. If they can have paper for notes why would he not bring some?

[rhett o rick]

7. You are allowed to take notes once the debate has started but not bring notes with you.

He brought notes.

[CoffeeCat]

74. Are we sure that what he put on the podium is paper with notes???

Could it be a handkerchief or a folded up Kleenex?

Believe me, I know that Mitt Romney is a sociopath. No argument from me there.

I am just wondering if we can--with certainty--say that what he put on the podium was paper with his notes on it?

It would be great to get this lying sociopath exposed for the cheater that he is.

Also---it would be terrific to comb through the debate footage in the very beginning. If these were notes, he would obviously be looking at them, maybe unfolding that paper, etc. Any footage before he began taking notes would be especially useful.

Also, there was a camera person (s) situated behind both candidates who was shooting the entire time. Surely they would be able to
provide additional insight, and possibly confirm what exactly that was that he removed from his pocket.

If he did cheat--he really is a complete fool!!!

[proReality]

76. Awfully stiff looking for a handkerchief, unless...

...the laundry has orders to put starch in his. Let's hope he gets a cold soon because the first time he blows his nose with a stiff hanky his nose should immediately turn red.

[rhett o rick]

79. I first go by the principle that Republicans cheat. Some times you catch them and some times you don

This may not be 100% accurate but it's where I start. In other words, I think he cheated until proven otherwise.

Secondly, I didnt document this but wondered at the time. I saw him refer to notes. This in itself isnt unusual except I hadnt seen him taking any notes. At the time, I assumed I just missed seeing him take notes. Now I think otherwise.

[99th_Monkey]

92. I agree one cannot tell from this exactly WHAT "it" was

but to me "it" looked like folded paper which he spreads out.

But that is all this proves. We have no way of knowing precisely
WHAT was WRITTEN ON the paper, if anything.

I wish we could bust Mittens with this, but it's taking a knife to
a gunfight. i.e. it isn't sufficient evidence to prove what we suspect.

[zentrum]

89. How do we know it wasn't

...his notepad?


Hard to believe they wouldn't have the paper of their choosing already on the podium, and this did look furtive. But it was done on camera and right in front of many in the audience. I'm not sure what we're seeing.

[rhett o rick]

91. Republicans will cheat. I fully believe he cheated. Sociopaths believe they deserve to cheat. nm

[99th_Monkey]

93. Actually, near as I could tell from that video

there were very few who COULD have seen it, just on the right of the
screen,but not many, as that podium has like a 4-5" wall on three sides (the
front, the right and left) and was open where he was standing, so that little
wall I think virtually hid what he was doing from most everyone.

and I doubt he knew about the camera in the rear; although he should have,
remembering how that same rear camera captured lumpy device on GWBush's
back (or so it seemed).

[mr.ed]

19. Paper

There was paper for notes on the podium when he walked up to it.

[boyedav1969]

21. Outside materials are not allowed

I believe the candidates can specify what they'd like to have provided for note taking, but can't bring their own.

[PatrynXX]

26. Clearly

Someone cheated on their SAT's... whoops

[pandr32]

77. President Obama stuck to the rules

...and was criticized for looking down through much of the debate, but Romney was shoveling so much shit at him he was writing notes to try to keep track--as the rules allow for, and that is why they give you note paper. Romney, on the other hand, was given high marks for engaging the audience more and appearing more "prepared." He was prepared all right--he cheated. His zingers were listed on his cheat sheet so all he had to do was occasionally look down at his list--he did not spend much time writing any notes, and if you remember, at the end of the debate he kept his eye on his 'notes" even while shaking the President's hand and went over to grab them up as soon as he could, disguising the lists of cheats within the papers provided.

[Why Syzygy]

78. I thought that was curious at the time ..

He left his crowd on stage and went back to pick up his notes from the podium. He shuffled them a bit before picking them up. I was wondering why he didn't have some peon to do that. It was odd.

[rhett o rick]

6. I was wondering how he could have been referring to notes when I never saw him write any. lol. nm

[stlsaxman]

9. is that a hankerchief to wipe his brow?

(honest question)

[ejbr]

10. I was just gonna ask the same question...n/t

[Lochloosa]

11. I don't think so. Watch the closely at the end. The object "flutters" when it lands on the podium.

A hankerchief would not do that.

[starroute]

35. And it's too stiff to be a handkerchief

If you pause the video around 15 seconds, you can see that he's holding it at the rear edge and it's sticking out stiffly in front of him.

Not only wouldn't a handkerchief do that, but you wouldn't hold one that way. You might hold it by the side, between thumb and fingers, or if you wanted to keep it flat you might have your hand under it. And in either case, you'd put the edge that you weren't supporting down first and then withdraw your hand. He doesn't do any of that.

[liberal N proud]

61. You wouldn't want to blow your nose or wipe your forehead with that.

It would be a little stiff

[swishyfeet]

14. Looked heavy to me - like a hanky

... and it makes sense. I recall him wiping his brow during the debate.

[JDPriestly]

18. You don't put your handkerchief on the podium, straighten it out (as Romney did in that video in the

OP), and you don't place it over the paper on which you are supposed to take notes.

[Texin]

40. Maybe

...but why take it out of his pocket and place it on the podium? He moved it after it landed too, as if to place it purposefully. The object appeared to have some weight to it - like 3"x5" notecards that sort of softly thudded down in one unit rather than landing like sheets of paper - and it definitely appeared heavier than folded cloth.

I don't think the video snippet is conclusive as it's posted here, but I think it should be out there with the question about just what Mittens took out of his pocket and put on the podium though.

[citizen blues]

16. Hankerchiefs don't land like that......

My ex used to use hankerchiefs, so I've washed and folded and set them down and dropped them plenty. They don't move like that.

If he were just bringing his own paper to write on, he could have easily had it in his inside jacket pocket and had no need to sneak it out of his front pants pocket.

And the entire time he's doing this he's got that smarmy smirk on his face again.

[grantcart]

27. Yes. He wasn't looking at notes he had his points down cold.

He had taken lots of time off and was prepared for the lies he was going to tell. Move on.

[2pooped2pop]

37. I think it is his cheat sheet wrapped in his hankie

Watch how he unfolds it, but later when he does use his hankie, it's folded.

Much info here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=119479

Close up shows a quad folded paper with words, perhaps typed but unclear on his podium.

At the end he hides them under his given paper, and goes back to retrieve them later. Much fumbling. Can't get them in his jacket pocket. Ann can't take her eyes off of the paper and mouths "we need to get off the stage" One of Mitt's sons reaches to take the papers, but Mitt has now handed them off to another son, who puts them in his pocket.

Check out closeups.

very curious.

[medeak]

67. "highly starched handkerchief" explains aide

via wonkette. No one really believes

[drynberg]

95. Yeah, that's it

Willard wipes his brow with index cards, of course.

[Why Syzygy]

99. Bishop Willard . nt

[RC]

101. Naa, he used that folded piece of paper to wipe his face to make us think it was a handkerchief.

How many time does it have to be discredited that was a piece of paper and when in actuality, it was a handkerchief?

[formercia]

12. Rules are for little people

Frisk the fucker next time.

[Vox Moi]

13. Great Catch!

Well! Lying and cheating. Leaving no base untouched.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

15. Young military women & men should not have a cheating Commander in Chief - honesty is a key part

of their training. Honor - Honesty. I recently had an auto accident. A young military person hit my car, and the first thing she did was take the blame, and to make sure I was OK. Everything about her exuded honor. She was in her early 20's. She and the rest of our young military men & women do not need a Cheater & Liar like Romney for a Commander in Chief.

[Pab Sungenis]

60. Commander in Cheat

might be a good way to refer to him.

[SemperEadem]

17. that was a handkerchief

[2pooped2pop]

38. see this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=119479

[lady lib]

50. After watching it in slo-mo I agree.

Sorry guys, I wish we could say he cheated.

[kerouac2]

20. Should be used in an ad, ie: what else has he cheated on

Ad with slow mo version with audio talking about Mitt cheating and his taxes would be awesome.

[polichick]

33. Definitely - if Dems are sure it was a cheat sheet.

[tarheelsunc]

22. That's WAY too stiff to be a handkerchief

[get the red out]

30. And he placed it on the podium

Why would he place a hankerchief on the podium right in front of him so he could easily look down and see it, and why be sneaky about it?

Nope, he has a cheat-sheet there.

[yellowcanine]

51. A stiff like Romney might use a stiff hanky......

[magic59]

23. Actually, Romney had an RF chip planted in his brain

Connected to his sensory orb, its in direct contact with Rush Limbaugh. That is why Rummy looked like he was hyped up on OxyContin and spewing lies.

[reflection]

24. He probably did, but I hope we don't make hay of this

I don't see it as a winning argument. I would leak it through surrogates but never speak of it if I were the Obama camp. He would come off as whining, and it would also swing the focus off today's stellar jobs report back to that horrible 90 minutes. I'm no political strategist obviously, but I think sometimes it's best to take your licks and move on.

[2pooped2pop]

43. No Obama team can't be the ones to question it.

But there is enough here that we need more answers than that it was a hankie. If you look at all the info on the other thread, it is clearly suspicious and needs to be looked at with more skilled eyes and equipment.

But I agree, it's something Obama should be aware of but unless it actually proved out to be true (by others), not something he could comment on.


We just would like to know the truth.

Here's the thread with lots of info.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=119479

[kerouac2]

25. Should be sent to Ed Show, TRMS, & Last Word...

Look at his face when he turns, he looks at the camera, looks like he's up to no good, and tries to block camera angle with body...

[CoffeeCat]

75. The complete footage from the cameras behind the podium...

...should be examined.

Then, a confirmation--either way--can be made.

The problem is (and I'm still new to this news and still reading), if we are wrong then we look like sore losers and we look pathetic.

I think this issue is fair game. It should be examined closely. If he did cheat--he should be outted.

[liberal N proud]

28. Fucking weasel

[get the red out]

29. MSM??? Calling any journalist????

I hope the MSM actually looks at this, if it doesn't appear on an actual network it might as well have never happened.

What a total fake of a candidate.

[riverwalker]

42. on Boston CBS now

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/05/upon-further-review-mitt-romney-may-have-cheated-to-win-the-debate/

[renate]

52. thanks!

I personally still think it was a heavyweight handkerchief (he's rich, after all, and even his hankies must be very nice), but it's interesting to see this discussed elsewhere. Thanks!

[get the red out]

64. I pity his nose then!

That "sheet" looks ROUGH!

[glinda]

65. I dunno. It was "thick". Possible something was in a hanky?

[get the red out]

63. Wonderful! Thanks!

I hope this gets some air time.

[KansDem]

53. You mean the same MSM that reported on this...?

[polichick]

31. Is anyone surprised? To Entitled Rmoney rules don't apply.

[SacoMaine61]

34. That creep is so scurvy.

It reminds me of a high school classmate who went to the same university that I went to. In high school, she actually stole a copy of a physics exam and, though it was well known to the student body and the administration, she was then inducted into the Nat'l Honor Society a couple days later. A year later at college, I saw her cheating on a Sociology 101 exam.

Makes my skin crawl and the bile rise in my throat.

[enough]

45. Creep is the word that came to my mind on seeing that. (nt)

[Sheepshank]

36. the entitlment attitude of "rules do not apply to Mittens" runs deep in this one n/t

[tinrobot]

39. Anyone have an HDTV version of this?

Might be easier to discern at a higher resolution.

[mother earth]

41. No surprise, he has zero credibility & no morals, a complete lack of integrity!

Even his magic underwear can't help him from the truth of what he is.

[boyedav1969]

44. Mitt has given us every reason to be suspicious

We know he will bend or break the rules if he believes it's to his advantage. However, I'd love for someone to give the entire video some scrutiny before this gets legitimized as a formal accusation by anyone of credence. What gets pumped through our TVs is of lower detail than what the cameras capture, and the raw footage may be more revealing, for better or worse.

Is there another point in the video where we can observe him pulling the handkerchief out of his clothing? In addition to a better look at the video to try to see what exactly that is, it would be good to account for the things that it could also (but might not) be.

[mountain grammy]

46. Really? A liar and a cheat! Gee, I'm so surprised...

[boyedav1969]

47. Why would anyone accuse Romney of cheating?

It's not like his campaign and his party have been tied to efforts to falsify or destroy voter registrations to favor Republicans. It's not like his campaign and his party have been tied to True The Vote and other formal and informal voter suppression groups. It's not like his partisans across the country have "coincidentally" implemented Voter ID laws that disproportionately disenfranchise legitimate democrat-leaning voters, primarily in battleground states that Romney needs. Oh wait, it's exactly like that. Never mind.

[dterrell]

48. The Rules?

Where can I find the specific rules that apply to the debates including those that are quoted above?

[Aldo Leopold]

49. I guess my magician-liar analogy was more apt than I realized!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021468446

"In fact, Romney's lies are like magic tricks performed so poorly everyone can see how they're done. To this end, Romney's lying will not work, and will prove itself an ineffective strategy."

Great catch with the video.

[Stuart G]

54. Tell me it ain't so.......................Romney cheating???? NO.....NO IT CANT BE..............

[BlancheSplanchnik]

55. well well, that sure was as plain as a giant redwood in the middle of the Dead Sea.

And the smug sociopath look on his face....I've seen that before, having had way too many associations with sick fucks.

It's the inner giggling glee of screwing people over because you're so much smarter than all of them, and knowing you're getting away with it.

Oh, who's GIGGLING NOW, SCUMFACE??????????????????????


to quote some other wise DU'ers:

FUCK YOU, romney!

[Jim__]

56. That needs to go viral!

[Stuart G]

57. iT WILL...THIS WILL GO VIRAL............ALL OVER THE INTERNET...THERE GOES ROMNEY'S...SO CALLED WIN.

ONLY ONE PLACE IT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED...........FOX NEWS.....................

[aletier_v]

58. Maybe he wrote notes ON the hankerchief

[donqpublic]

59. No Hanky...it bounced.

Index cards with some type of clip. Bounces every time.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

81. A white bouncy cell phone?

[glowing]

62. I wondered why he went back to the podium so quickly

to get his notes at the end and Obama didn't care

[TeamPooka]

70. same here.

[glinda]

66. He checks out the camera there prior to putting it on the podium.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

68. It's so easy to cheat. And sleazy. And he's as sleazy as can be.

[KauaiK]

69. WOW...is Mitt that stupid? YES

DU Rocks. It has the latest on everything. We all knew that Romney believes he is entitled, but this is so blatant. I cannot bear to even look at that idiot.

[nenagh]

72. One early DU thread has a screen grab from behind the podiums..

and on Romney's podium is something very odd..with what appears to be writing...

If someone with a better computer than my own may be better able to see it.

I'd move it here if I was tech proficient..

[Blue Owl]

73. LYING. CHEATING. STEALING.

There it is, the GOP's big three...

[socialaidem]

80. It did have a little bounce to it.

[SmileyRose]

82. someone needs to grab the spot where he was obviously checking notes

We all remarked on it but all of weren't thinking about no notes.

Unfortunately mainstream America doesn't seem to care.

[enki23]

83. Looks like a handkerchief. But the behavior with it is weird. And, you can write on handkerchiefs.

If I saw a student pulling that odd behavior with a handkerchief during an exam I'd have the check the damned thing. Could be nothing, but it very much is odd that the first thing he does is pulls it from his pocket, unless he's a germ freak and he didn't want to touch the podium or some such oddity.

[Up2Late]

84. Wow!

I knew he was a major scumbag, but this just takes the cake!

[zentrum]

86. I saw this the night of the debate!

It was so obvious that I thought it was allowed.

After seeing Romney do it, I looked to see Obama do the same thing and he didn't of course.

[zentrum]

87. I saw this the night of the debate!

It was so obvious that I thought it was allowed.

After seeing Romney do it, I looked to see Obama do the same thing and he didn't of course.

[editor5]

88. I guess he thought we couldn't see

we are just the 'stupid' 47%

[Kali]

90. doesn't a handkerchief go in a breast pocket?

[bushalert]

94. testing testing

Romney is a POS Romney is a POS....wanted to make sure my account is working, been a few years....

[deutsey]

97. If Reagan got away with stealing Carter's debate prep book

and Bush got away with wearing some kind of audio device during one of his debates, I doubt anything will happen with this.

[Why Syzygy]

100. Maybe not..

I don't even know what the penalty is for cheating at a debate.

But we can sure make certain that he's frisked and watched closely for the next ones.

[Mom and Ryan]

98. Response from an 8 year old

YO ROMNEY WHY ARE YOU CHEATING??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU KNOW THE RULES WHY ARE DISOBEYING THE LAW???????

[RBInMaine]

103. It was a hanky. Now move on to something REAL. Like his LIES and FLIPS.

[Why Syzygy]

104. Cheating is lying.

There is enough uncertainty that a look up his sleeves before the next debate isn't out of order.

[RBInMaine]

105. Yup, cheating IS lying. Now Obama must TRAP him in the lies. And he will. But it was a hanky.

[Windylink]

106. If you notice he looked down multiple times

watch and you'll see romney look down speak look down speak (must be early on) if that's not cheating I don't know what is. but the question is is there footage of him writing before responding and.. was there a camera angle that would show print on his note pad or page flipping then we got something. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking unfortunately.