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Trump corruptly commutes Roger Stone sentence. Can it be undone by next president or the courts? (Original Post) CatWoman Jul 2020 OP
Today it's a commutation, which means that one is still guilty, but the penalty has been changed... RussellCattle Jul 2020 #1
Acceptance of a pardon soldierant Jul 2020 #5
Thank you for educating me a little. Does one who has been pardoned of a felony... RussellCattle Jul 2020 #7
I'm pretty sure (but not 100% tha, even if the felony is federal, soldierant Jul 2020 #9
Can't be undone FBaggins Jul 2020 #2
I wonder if he can be recalled to testify. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #3
I would think he could be called to testify in a case against soldierant Jul 2020 #4
At the 9:00 mark he tells us two things that CAN be done! BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #6
Thx for that summation. KPN Jul 2020 #8

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
1. Today it's a commutation, which means that one is still guilty, but the penalty has been changed...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jul 2020

...in this case eliminated. On his way out of the White House in January of next year, Trump will have probably issued a pardon for Stone, which will effectively absolve him of any crime. Convicted on seven counts of felonies, he would be completely free. Think about this and all the other horrible pardons that Trump will issue as payback after a humiliating defeat.

soldierant

(6,905 posts)
5. Acceptance of a pardon
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:24 PM
Jul 2020

implies admission of guilt of the crime being pardoned. Going further, one who has been pardoned can no longer plead the fifth amendment regarding any activity contained in that crime. That's why he did't want a pardon. He is that smart, I'll give him that. Trump* is not that smart, but he has enough people who are to have been warned about it. You don't think we are through with Trump" just because he will be out of office, I hope? No, no. no. Because justice.

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
7. Thank you for educating me a little. Does one who has been pardoned of a felony...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:41 PM
Jul 2020

....regain the right to vote?

soldierant

(6,905 posts)
9. I'm pretty sure (but not 100% tha, even if the felony is federal,
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:53 PM
Jul 2020

the Constitution having assigned the running of elections to the states, that depends on the sate one would be voting in.

n my state (Colorado) one may reregister once the sentence is completely served including all parole, so that should also apply to a pardon You probably know Florida recently voted to re-enfranchise felons, and the state is dragging its feet, so I do't know what the answer would be there.

FBaggins

(26,756 posts)
2. Can't be undone
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jul 2020

He could theoretically be charged with some unrelated crime by a future DOJ or with a state crime

Kingofalldems

(38,469 posts)
3. I wonder if he can be recalled to testify.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jul 2020

And if he lies again he can be charged? If he tells the truth his boy Trump goes down of course.

soldierant

(6,905 posts)
4. I would think he could be called to testify in a case against
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jul 2020

Trump* - with essentially the results you describe - except that he can take the fifth, since it wasn't a pardon.

BigmanPigman

(51,623 posts)
6. At the 9:00 mark he tells us two things that CAN be done!
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:30 PM
Jul 2020

Biden and the new AG, if he wins, in Jan can do a maiden law and undo it. They can say they looked at the case, it was corrupt and an abuse of power and rescind the commutation. Then it can go to the court and a judge can decide if this was a just commutation, likely he will say it was corrupt.
Also, the next DOJ, once cleaned out and restructured after Barr, can take Stone to court and Stone can explain how this wasn't corrupt. Good luck with that Roger, since he already said in writing that it was a quid quo pro with POTUS, basically a bribe to keep quiet.

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