Let's Talk About Socialism - Prof. Richard Wolff

[0rganism]

looks like dat naughty old Socialism is going to be getting a lot of play over the next few months
here's one of the better (albeit dry) videos i've seen summarizing the concept

the discussion of "state capitalism" begins at around 38:10.

[safeinOhio]

1. Looks good

bookmarked for later view.
Thanks.

[NurseJackie]

2. If you're explaining and justifying and defining... you're LOSING.

The country will never elect a Socialist.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. If you're explaining and justifying and defining... you're INFORMING.

There's I fixed that for you.

[NurseJackie]

6. And passengers on the Titanic frantically bailing with their chamber-pots thought they were helping...

And passengers on the Titanic frantically bailing with their chamber-pots thought they were helping… but it was a lost cause. It was too late. They WANTED to BELIEVE they were helping and that they had a chance, but their fate had been written in stone. Nothing could change it.

If you're explaining and justifying and defining... you're INFORMING.

There's not enough time. It's far too late. And the voters that you NEED to explain to, won't listen anyway. This, too, will be a lost cause.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287570879

I’ve seen this repeatedly on the sites I participate in where both Dems and Repubs post: “I don’t want Trump to be re-elected – but I’ll be damned if I’ll vote for a communist.” You can shout all you want about how these people don’t understand what socialism is, or how what Bernie is proposing isn’t socialism as they perceive it. But people vote according to what they believe, and not according to what you think they should believe.

[llashram]

7. so very true

thank you for clarity.

[0rganism]

8. to be clear, i'm posting this as a resource for people who wish to have informed discussions

if we're going to be talking about it on these forums anyway, it doesn't hurt to have potential reference material floating around for all us losers who enjoy wasting our time by explaining, justifying, and/or defining.

then when we talk about whether, when, and/or how the country might elect a socialist, we can point to a common reference and say "we're talking about this. specifically this."

[lapfog_1]

3. ah here we go... just like what I posted in NanceGreggs excellent thread

someone is going to try to "educate" people on socialism.

by posting a near 2 hour lecture from a college professor.

Which the average voter WILL NOT watch or care about.

Again, we don't educate the voters, the voters educate us.

Failure to learn THAT one simple lesson will doom any political campaign. Not the campaign for most of us that already KNOW what socialism is and what capitalism is... no, but for those who already believe that socialism and marxism and communism are the same thing, you will not educate them in the next 8 months.

[0rganism]

9. i'm not posting for purposes of voter outreach

if it happened to have that effect, i'd be happy, but as you say it's highly unlikely.
rather, i'm posting so people here who wish to discuss socialism substantively have a handy reference should they choose to use one.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. Trump will pulverize Sanders for ties to UMass economics department where

Wolff was head for so long. This is where the socialism damage will become real.