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GOD vs NO GOD - And the Winner Is? (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2019 OP
Really interesting. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #1
Interesting! JudyM Jul 2019 #2
good ideas well spoken rampartc Jul 2019 #3
Great post. Thanks. alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #4
Wrong instruments Roy Rolling Jul 2019 #5
Possibilities aren't the issue MikeIsInProcess Jul 2019 #6
god explains nothing; gods do not intervene in human affairs kiri Jul 2019 #7
"Saying 'god did it' "explains" everything, and thus nothing." Ligyron Jul 2019 #8
From poptech 2010. Still cool. nilram Jul 2019 #9
Here is his facebook page Quixote1818 Jul 2019 #10

Roy Rolling

(6,918 posts)
5. Wrong instruments
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:31 AM
Jul 2019

There’s no way to measure spiritual energy with material instruments. It’s like measuring sound with a light meter.

The only conclusion can be “there is no God” if the measurement is “non-God” (material) energy.

He has perfectly logical science... under the rules there is no God.

MikeIsInProcess

(23 posts)
6. Possibilities aren't the issue
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 11:11 AM
Jul 2019

and he misrepresents typical atheism when claiming it categorically denies possibilities. (I disbelieve in gods, that doesn’t mean various god ideas aren’t possible.)

Our minds in general entertain plenty of possibilities. They’re saturated with them. We say it’s possible the earth is flat or there was a pedophile ring under a pizza place (that has no basement).

What is needed (and yes he mentions this, but promotes possibilities much more) is a greater tendency to use rational mechanisms of error removal/correction in our minds to LIMIT the possibilities we are willing to accept. Religions typically have no reliable error correction mechanism. And Trump’s error correction is utterly unreliable/faulty: it’s based on loyalty.

Possibilities are endless. But the false ones far outnumber the true ones. *Truth is what you are left with after you use rational methods to filter out the junk in that infinite possibility space.* Yes, he does mention this, but I think our lack of rational filtering is our great weakness and is the thing that should be emphasized, not our embrace of the vast space of possibilities that we apparently have little difficulty accepting anyway, which is why so many people believe things that are bunk.

kiri

(794 posts)
7. god explains nothing; gods do not intervene in human affairs
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jul 2019

I find no reason to believe in any gods, that is one or more entities that can willfully change the forces of nature at whim. A god belief explains absolutely nothing about the world we live in. It is merely mind clutter.

Science explains things. What we do not yet understand (and we know a very great deal) is simply "we don't know, yet"'. Saying 'god did it' "explains" everything, and thus nothing.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
8. "Saying 'god did it' "explains" everything, and thus nothing."
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jul 2019

Well there it is exact.

This guy does not stumble in his delivery one little bit and the term"Possibilian" is a keeper for sure.

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