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Why Trump's Troubadour Has Turned Against Him NowThis (Original Post) Quixote1818 Apr 2019 OP
There goes a big, big man. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #1
...as long as the money's there 2naSalit Apr 2019 #10
That's true for everyone, I've learned over the years. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #11
k and r...Thank You for posting... Stuart G Apr 2019 #2
A Powerful Story from the Heart-Thanks for Sharing dlk Apr 2019 #3
Sounds too analytical and objective to be a Republican Trump supporter. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #4
Elizabeth Warren mountain grammy Apr 2019 #5
I caught that too. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2019 #6
Idiot. All the evidence Trump is a grifter/ con-man/user was there then. bitterross Apr 2019 #7
It's not an "opioid" crisis. It's an oxycotton crisis. Law suit was against oxycotton makers onit2day Apr 2019 #8
You have some valid points. bitterross Apr 2019 #9
Wow. So many things wrong with what you wrote. kag Apr 2019 #13
BIG K&R. kag Apr 2019 #12

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
1. There goes a big, big man.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:14 PM
Apr 2019

It takes a big man to see the truth and then admit you were wrong. Interesting that he likes Elizabeth Warren, now. What a switch.

I didn't know opioid treatment centers had been closed. The Republicans have been busy wiping out Obamacare advances more than I thought. That is so cruel to the people, when they don't replace them with something else.

And he saw the Republican health care bill for what it is. And the tax cuts for what they were. So they DO see. The diehard Trumpers just don't care. Like this man said, he's their guy, and they'll follow him no matter what he does or doesn't do.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. That's true for everyone, I've learned over the years.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 10:07 AM
Apr 2019

On both sides.

But very few people admit to themselves that they were wrong, and even fewer do so publicly.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
3. A Powerful Story from the Heart-Thanks for Sharing
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:43 PM
Apr 2019

The opioid crisis is decimating our country and seems invisible to those not directly affected. Urgent action is required, as the problem will only increase over time. This father’s pain was so evident. It broke my heart. We can and should do so much better for each other.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
4. Sounds too analytical and objective to be a Republican Trump supporter.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:50 PM
Apr 2019

I want to hope there are more like him out there. Glad he can see through the fog and recognize somebody genuine like Elizabeth Warren.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
7. Idiot. All the evidence Trump is a grifter/ con-man/user was there then.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:19 PM
Apr 2019

I feel bad for him for his loss. I've lost friends to the opioid crisis and it hurts.

The reality is all the evidence that Trump was going to do exactly what he did was there. The evidence that Trump was only saying whatever people wanted to hear was there. So I don't feel bad for him that he got taken. That's his own fault.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
8. It's not an "opioid" crisis. It's an oxycotton crisis. Law suit was against oxycotton makers
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:05 PM
Apr 2019

and suppliers. Those elderly people who depend on maintenance pain meds and have for years proven stability are severely suffering from this 'one size fits all' opioid panic resulting in holding back much needed medication.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
9. You have some valid points.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:30 PM
Apr 2019

Yes, the makers and suppliers of Oxycontin are to blame for the way opinion and perception of opioids changed. Their marketing campaigns are directly responsible for over prescribing and misuse.

I know people on maintenance medication who have a hell of a bad time getting their meds now because of the Oxycontin makers. When I had my complete shoulder replacement you would have thought I was asking for the nuclear codes given the hoops I had to jump though to fill my pain-killer prescription.

I sincerely hope the GOP-packed courts don't give the makers a win but I don't really hold much hope.

kag

(4,079 posts)
13. Wow. So many things wrong with what you wrote.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 02:01 PM
Apr 2019

First of all, it's OxyContin. "Oxycotton" sounds like a fabric softener.

Second, it is absolutely an opioid crisis. OxyContin is just a brand name for a line of medication that provides--if used as directed--an extended release of oxycodone. The "crisis" to which you refer was when Perdue Pharmaceuticals (as well as the public, law enforcement, the government, etc.) realized that people were abusing it by crushing the pills in order to get all of the doses at once. Perdue fought tooth and nail to keep it on the market, and to hide any studies that proved how devastatingly addictive it is. So, yes, the company definitely exacerbated the problem, but they didn't cause it single-handedly.

Third, the "one size fits all" approach to which you refer was mostly just patients and pharmacies having to follow rules that were already in place but had been largely ignored for years. Also, the DEA began keeping a closer eye on doctors, patients, and pharmacies who conducted "suspicious" transactions involving lots of opioids--ANY opioids, not just OxyContin.

Frankly if all OxyContin disappeared from the face of the earth today, we would still have a horrific opioid crisis. (Read Dreamland by Sam Quinones.) In fact, when the crack down began on OxyContin and other pharmaceuticals, heroin dealers gladly stepped in to the void to supply addicts with a cheaper, more potent drug that is easier to get if you don't mind breaking the law.

Now, I don't disagree that more is needed to combat the crisis. And I also don't disagree that people who need opioids to control pain (and they're not all elderly) have been negatively affected by some of the measures that have been taken. But as a chronic pain patient myself, I have learned to navigate the rules, and to appreciate them for their part in the attempt to keep people from abusing opioids.

Sorry this got a bit long, but I felt the need to push back on your comment. Nothing personal, of course. It's a tough problem, and people get understandably passionate about it.

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