Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
24 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Don McLean - The meaning of American Pie (Original Post) Uncle Joe Mar 2019 OP
How would he know? Beakybird Mar 2019 #1
What do you mean? Croney Mar 2019 #2
I trust my gut more than his explanation 47 years later. Beakybird Mar 2019 #4
I like the video. I thought I read that he said recently Beakybird Mar 2019 #7
I think more than anything, it was about a shift in the American culture Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #8
Don McClean hated rock music, particularly the Beatles and the Stones, for replacing the Nitram Mar 2019 #15
That was not my experience when I saw him last year. Croney Mar 2019 #16
You know, Croney, you're right. thanks for setting me straight. Nitram Mar 2019 #20
Hmm, I'll have to go look that one up. 😁 Croney Mar 2019 #21
You don't need to look it up. He says it straight out in the lyrics of American Pie. No mystery. Nitram Mar 2019 #22
Nope, I still have to go look it up. Never heard of Jaime Brockett. Croney Mar 2019 #23
I loved that song. Bought the sheet music for it in 1971. no_hypocrisy Mar 2019 #3
I heard he said "It means I never have to work another day in my life" :-) USALiberal Mar 2019 #5
He opened up about the song a few years ago Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #6
Yeah, that's how I've always taken it, too William Seger Mar 2019 #12
I saw him live last year in a small venue. Croney Mar 2019 #9
I really think a lot of the words were there to keep the flow of the song. Srkdqltr Mar 2019 #11
I think you're right. Croney Mar 2019 #13
Yeah, and that line is the main "hook" in the song William Seger Mar 2019 #14
Washington Post story - Don McLean reveals meaning of American Pie. revmclaren Mar 2019 #10
Actually have no opinion about Don McLean, but--- classof56 Mar 2019 #17
Thanks, that was great SCantiGOP Mar 2019 #18
Rorschach test StClone Mar 2019 #19
Here you go StClone. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #24

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
7. I like the video. I thought I read that he said recently
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:53 PM
Mar 2019

That American Pie had nothing to do with Buddy Holly, and I was like, "Right!"

Quixote1818

(28,955 posts)
8. I think more than anything, it was about a shift in the American culture
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:01 PM
Mar 2019

The "innocence" idealism of the 50's shifting to the more rebellious, independent 60's. But we all know there was plenty of rape and lynching of black folks in those "innocent" years. From his interview I think he didn't care for this change but I think it was a necessary period of growth.

Nitram

(22,845 posts)
15. Don McClean hated rock music, particularly the Beatles and the Stones, for replacing the
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:06 PM
Mar 2019

"innocent" R&B and rock'n'roll he grew up with. But he didn't like the psychedic sound of the Byrds and Jefferson Airplane, either. I like it all. The music never died. It evolved, as it always does. Don stayed stuck in the mud of the 40s and 50s. I've heard he hates it when audiences ask him to play the song at concerts. Ironic.

Croney

(4,662 posts)
16. That was not my experience when I saw him last year.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:19 PM
Mar 2019

He seemed to enjoy the build-up to it, and was happy to sing it. Vincent was another one he seemed to relish singing. Actually he oozed joy with every hit. He just seemed grateful that we all still knew who he was. Lol

Nitram

(22,845 posts)
20. You know, Croney, you're right. thanks for setting me straight.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:56 AM
Mar 2019

I was confusing McClean with Jaime Brockett, who used to get irritated when asked to play his hit "The Legend of the USS Titanic." Too many brains cells down the drain. But I am right about McClean hating the rock music of the 60s.

Nitram

(22,845 posts)
22. You don't need to look it up. He says it straight out in the lyrics of American Pie. No mystery.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:29 PM
Mar 2019

Now, for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rolling stone
But, that's not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the king and queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me
Oh and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned
And while Lennon read a book on Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died
We were singin'

So come on Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
'Cause fire is the devil's only friend
Oh and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage

Helter skelter in a summer swelter
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast

While sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance

Croney

(4,662 posts)
23. Nope, I still have to go look it up. Never heard of Jaime Brockett.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:53 PM
Mar 2019

Or the Titanic song. I probably should have.

Edit: Yep, I should have. My excuse is that I moved to Boston in 1972, so maybe he had moved along to somewhere else.

no_hypocrisy

(46,157 posts)
3. I loved that song. Bought the sheet music for it in 1971.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:50 PM
Mar 2019

I had it out on the piano in 1971-2. My father saw it and threw a terrible fit. Screamed at me. Told me it was all about communism and whatever Time Magazine said it was about. He threw it in the trash.

I rescued it and still have it. And I still love the song.

Prelude: My father was paranoid about and inflamed by popular culture. Three years before the American Pie episode, he made me throw out all my comic books because he read it led to juvenile delinquency. You'd have thought that he found a dime bag in my underwear drawer.

Quixote1818

(28,955 posts)
6. He opened up about the song a few years ago
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:52 PM
Mar 2019

He sounds a bit conservative to me as though he was upset about the changes the country was going through. He wanted things to stay like they were in the 1940's and 50's. What he seems to think of as an innocent age but I would say it was far from an age of innocence and the 60's and 70's was an awakening with protestors and MLK Jr. inspiring millions. Kind of reminds me of the movie Pleasantville. He wanted things to stay black and white but people were screaming for their own identity and equal rights and fairness.


Washington Post: Gloomy Don McLean reveals meaning of ‘American Pie’ — and sells lyrics for $1.2 million
Snip:

“People ask me if I left the lyrics open to ambiguity,” McLean said in an early interview, as the Guardian reported. “Of course I did. I wanted to make a whole series of complex statements. The lyrics had to do with the state of society at the time.”

But what state was that? It seemed like the song’s cast of characters — which include a jester, a king, a queen, good ol’ boys drinking whiskey and rye as well as “Miss American Pie” herself — were meant to represent real people. The song includes references to Karl Marx; Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (or, more likely, John Lennon); the Fab Four; the Byrds; James Dean; Charles Manson; the Rolling Stones; the “widowed bride,” Jackie Kennedy; and the Vietnam War.

What does it all mean? Just what a song about the day the music died seems like it might be about: the end of the American Dream.

“Basically in ‘American Pie,’ things are heading in the wrong direction,” he told Christie’s, as the Newcastle Herald reported. “It is becoming less idyllic. I don’t know whether you consider that wrong or right but it is a morality song in a sense.”


Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/08/gloomy-don-mclean-reveals-meaning-of-american-pie-and-sells-lyrics-for-1-2-million/?utm_term=.39cab921b1f6

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
12. Yeah, that's how I've always taken it, too
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:48 PM
Mar 2019

I still like it, musically, but it's pretty clearly lamenting the way music went after the 50s, and I always assumed he meant society along with it. However, I really don't take anyone's lyrics very seriously, so it's never bothered me.

Croney

(4,662 posts)
9. I saw him live last year in a small venue.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019

He was charming, talkative, and his voice was still good. Singing American Pie with him was a musical highlight of my life.

I like the interpretation of every line in the video. There is only one line that has always stuck in my craw. (Yes, I really did just say that.) He found the levee dry? I'm from Louisiana, and you DON'T want to find the levee anything but dry.

Srkdqltr

(6,313 posts)
11. I really think a lot of the words were there to keep the flow of the song.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:41 PM
Mar 2019

He didn't say it but at the time a lot of people were of the opinion that a lot of the words were to rhyme and keep the song going not necessary to make perfect sense.
I always felt that it was more story telling then reporting actually.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
14. Yeah, and that line is the main "hook" in the song
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:57 PM
Mar 2019

... the part everyone loves to sing along with. I've always assumed it meant something to McClean but its main purpose in the song was just that.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
17. Actually have no opinion about Don McLean, but---
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:45 PM
Mar 2019

This is Bob Dylan's first album, which I bought as soon as it came out, and still have in my collection. Ah, the memories it evokes! Saw him in concert a couple of times in the 60s, one with Joan Baez. Those were the days, my friend!

Cheers.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
18. Thanks, that was great
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:46 PM
Mar 2019

I was a freshman in college when the song came out. I had parsed out about 3/4 of what the video said was the meaning of lyrics, but never did have a strong opinion about them “Father Son and Holy Ghost” reference.

StClone

(11,686 posts)
19. Rorschach test
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:52 PM
Mar 2019

McClean built the song around direct mention, and inferences, to music's historic reality along with symbolism, metaphors, generalized ideals in a catchy poetic riff.

I love McClean. But, in listening to American Pie over the decades its pretty apparent he could not have fit all the stuff attributed to American Pie accurately or appealingly in lyrical verse.

Bemoaning the loss of his 50's idealism may have been an after the fact response to queries of the songs meaning. I think it is just a great song (supposedly conjured out on a napkin) which is nothing more than portraying whatever you want it to be.

My fave Starry, Starry Night is more romanticizing too but at least easier to define.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Video & Multimedia»Don McLean - The meaning ...