CNN: Sen. Bernie Sanders Not all migrants have a credible claim

[TomCADem]

This is why Bernie might have the best chance at being able to appeal to Trump voters who may be uncomfortable with Trump's tax cuts to the rich, but who are also insecure about immigrants, trade, and Muslims, and feel that there jobs and way of life are threatened by immigrants. Since Trump has been stealing Bernie's ideas on trade and attacking the Fed, Bernie is giving Trump a taste of his own medicine by attacking folks in the migrant caravan in light of the border clash, thus triangulating between Trump supporters and the Democratic base.

[wryter2000]

1. So we're appealing to racists now?

Bernie may or may not have a point here, but your analysis is...odd

[TomCADem]

4. BERNIE SANDERS SAYS TRUMP VOTERS NOT 'DEPLORABLES (2017)

This is not random. Here is Bernie in April of 2017 reiterating his argument that Trump voters are not motivated by racism, but that there concerns about Mexican and Chinese imports, immigrants from Mexico, refugees from the Middle East, Muslim extremists, is not motivated by xenophobia or racism, but by legitimate concerns. This is why you will here Bernie echo Trump’s positions on occasion in more race neutral and progressive sounding verbiage. For example, Bernie is against immigration to prevent the exploitation of immigrants and their children.

Bottom line: Bernie’s part to the 2020 nomination is clear as he projects himself as a candidate who supports Democratic economic policies while being sensitive to the fears and sensitivities of Trump supporters.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-voters-clinton-racist-deplorable-578290

Donald Trump supporters are not racist “deplorables” and Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party are to blame for November’s shock election defeat: So said Clinton’s defeated primary challenger Sen. Bernie Sanders during a rally in Boston Friday night.

In a comment seized upon by the Trump campaign, Clinton famously said in September that half of Trump’s supporters were “deplorables,” a comment which she almost immediately said she regretted.

Appearing alongside Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sanders said Friday that to simply write off Trump supporters was to fail to understand the issues affecting them—and the Democratic Party.

“Some people think the people who voted for Trump are racists, sexist and homophobes, just deplorable folks,” he said. “I don’t agree, because I’ve been there. Let us understand what’s going on.”

[Hortensis]

9. Wryter, not racists per se, populists. Sanders said

a long time ago that he wanted to create a revolution by drawing people from across the spectrum, and he did not hide his attempts to appeal to some on the right. This is a very old tactic. Radical or revolutionary leaders from both the left and right have always tried to woo followers from each other.

And on both sides the resentful anti-establishment populist groups always include large, usually dominant blocs of people who lean or are socially conservative but economically progressive. Some chose Sanders, though this time Trump drew most from both sides by appealing to resentment against just too much equality too fast. They both promised they'd replace the ACA with a better and cheaper healthcare system, Trump "trumping" Bernie's healthcare platform.

So don't be surprised or offended that Sanders is trying to build a majority to support his revolution from some of the biggest groups who are feeling ripe for one. How else would he do it? After all, mainstream politicians draw the vast mainstream, those who stodgily decline revolution in favor of tweaking and building on what we have.

[Doodley]

2. Good way to lose the next election.

[TexasTowelie]

3. Some immigrants are more valuable than others

like the investors writing $500,000 checks for the Jay Peak development in Vermont that are seeking EB-5 visas. Senator Sanders has been inconsistent on immigration issues over the years.

[JCanete]

5. Damn Tom, that interpretation is impressive for how far afield you went from Sanders simply saying

you have to take it case by case. It would be stupid politics to say otherwise. Republicans will look for some outlier example who does have a history of violence, etc. and then say that Democrats wanted THAT person to have asylum.

And you managed to take "case by case" and turn that into Sanders taking a page from Trump. Are you fucking kidding me.

[Dorian Gray]

7. And of course you have to take it case by case...

if they are seeking asylum, we need to actually investigate their application. There are some people who may not warrant asylum, and as sad as that could be, it's the way of the world. What I believe is extraordinarily problematic about what is happening now is the politicization of the situation, the closing of the borders, the refusal to process asylum seekers as they normally would.

[handmade34]

6. "attacking folks in the...caravan"?

he is correct... case by case, but I don't hear attacks

...while there are complex and compounding reasons for the massive displacements and migrations—especially rising violence (in places like Honduras, for example, after the 2009 military coup) and systemic poverty—there is another driver behind the movement of people seeking refuge in the U.S.: climate change...

According to the United Nations Refugee Agency, “Families and communities have already started to suffer from disasters and the consequences of climate change.” From 2008 to 2015, the Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre reported that at least 22.5 million had been displaced per year because of climate-related-events, the equivalent of 62,000 people per day. Over this time, environmental forces uprooted more people than war. And in 2017 alone, disasters displaced 4.5 million people in the Americas.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justice/why-the-migrant-caravan-story-is-a-climate-change-story-20181127

[KayF]

8. every candidate will say this

I'm not aware of any candidate, or any Democrat, who would answer the question "Do they all have a credible case for asylum?" by saying "Yes". The Democrats' position is that the claims have to be evaluated case by case, and that migrants should not be demonized.

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. For christ fucking sake, but then I am not surprised at all.

[JCanete]

11. did you even watch the video? He simply said that you have to take assylum on a case by case basis.

Who wouldn't say that? He didn't say anything at all Trumpian, but apparently that doesn't matter to some people here. Why am I not surprised?

[TomCADem]

15. This reminds of How Republicans Used to hide behind dog whistles

I bet you could watch Bernie on Lou Dobbs scapegoating immigrants for taking jobs away from Americans and still say there is nothing Trumpian even though Jeff Sessions said the exact same thing in trying to end DACA.

[JCanete]

16. Tom...we've literally had the conversation about the Lou Dobbs thing, but you make

an utterly ridiculous point here because all Sanders does beyond saying that we would take each person case by case, is to defend the caravaners and migrants seeking asylum and to condemn what Trump is doing. So yeah...somehow amidst that he's dog-whistling hate. Do better.

[TomCADem]

17. I Understand. Many Trump Supporters Insist Trump Isn't Racist

Like you they think it is crazy to insist otherwise. So, it does not surprise me at all that some folks fail to see that Bernie dog whistles xenophobia.

I get it. Some folks who have progressive economic beliefs might still be sexist, racist or xenophobic. My worry is that Democrats decide to broadly adopt Bernie’s nativist dog whistles.

[JCanete]

18. Or don't do better? You dont' just get to call somebody something and make it so. THAT is Trumpian.

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The problem is your evidence is weak as shit. Your case crumbles upon the slightest examination. So what do you do then? You go to my character or claim that my position is a result of my own bigotry, rather than to instead buttress your case. You went straight to ad hominem.

And regarding me, you truly don't get it at all. I assure you I'm well aware that there's no such thing as economic justice without social justice. The only thing that others seem to be oblivious to is that there's no such thing as social justice without fighting for economic justice. They go hand in hand. Social issues are a tool of the establishment to pit people against each other. If you don't show people what they're doing, they fall for it. If you don't want to tackle the economic motivations behind that divisive propaganda, you can't show people how the wool is being pulled over their eyes and for who's gain.

And Sanders always punches up. That's the right direction. He isn't attacking immigrants here or in the interview with Dobbs. He's attacking those who exploit or demonize. I'm under no illusions that he has no blind spots....but you're going to have to do better if you want to sell this poison to anybody but those who already have a taste for it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. Here

Bernie Sanders: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists
Europe and centre left everywhere need tougher approach to phenomenon that fuelled Trump and Brexit, says Sanders

Europe must get a handle on immigration to combat a growing threat from rightwing populists, Bernie Sanders has said, calling on the continent’s leaders to send out a stronger signal showing they are “not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support”

In an interview with the Guardian, the former presidential candidate praised the generosity shown by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, but suggested immigration was inflaming voters and contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame,” Sanders said, speaking as part of a series of interviews with senior centrist political figures about the rise of populists, particularly on the right, in Europe and the Americas.

“I admire the very generous and compassionate approaches that were taken particularly by leaders like Angela Merkel, but I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part, and must send a very clear message – ‘we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support’ – because if we don’t deal with the migration issue it will continue to roil the body politic.”

[Heddi]

13. Wait a minute.....BERNIE SAID THAT

AnY OnE whO SayS tHAt iS a BiGOT!111!1eleventy

[Cuthbert Allgood]

14. I see what you did there. Not going to matter, though.