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Jennifer Rubin: Trump should consider resigning and accept Pence pardon after collusion admission (Original Post) Miles Archer Aug 2018 OP
Any pardon for traitors to country DUgosh Aug 2018 #1
That would be going from worst to worst. CatMor Aug 2018 #2
Truth is stranger than fiction! gyroscope Aug 2018 #3
Love that movie! GreenPartyVoter Aug 2018 #10
Ford's rational for Nixon's pardon exboyfil Aug 2018 #4
Thanks for that synopsis/detail. Wonder what Gerald Ford would do if he were dump's VP? erronis Aug 2018 #8
Nixon negoldie Aug 2018 #14
"Trump can be prosecuted once he leaves office " yuiyoshida Aug 2018 #5
That's not all that crazy an idea. Remember what happened to Ford The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #6
He's admitted Multiple times to Obstruction of Justice in full view of the World. tomhagen Aug 2018 #7
Trump is Pence proof? exboyfil Aug 2018 #9
Ok, tRump gets impeached..... can we then impeach Pence? mitch96 Aug 2018 #11
A Pence Pardon?? WTF??? tomhagen Aug 2018 #12
Jennifer Rubin is a right-wing conservative RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #13

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
4. Ford's rational for Nixon's pardon
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 12:47 PM
Aug 2018

Note he limited the pardon to Nixon's actions during the time he was President. Some takeaways from his speech. His concern for Nixon's due process rights. Can you imagine making that case for Trump, who mocks at the idea of due process (unless it is for white collar criminals like himself). How it is all of our fault (I can't imagine he got away with saying that). Also note how Ford refers to Nixon's history of public service - a statement that cannot be made about Trump. One thing you can say about Nixon, he did not use his office to get rich.

The final clincher is that Ford's hands as far as we know were clean in the election criminality. We cannot draw the same conclusion about Pence who ran with Trump.

From the pardon
It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.

Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

From Ford's speech:


I have promised to uphold the Constitution, to do what is right as God gives me to see the right, and to do the very best that I can for America.

I have asked your help and your prayers, not only when I became President but many times since. The Constitution is the supreme law of our land and it governs our actions as citizens. Only the laws of God, which govern our consciences, are superior to it.

As we are a nation under God, so I am sworn to uphold our laws with the help of God. And I have sought such guidance and searched my own conscience with special diligence to determine the right thing for me to do with respect to my predecessor in this place, Richard Nixon, and his loyal wife and family.

Theirs is an American tragedy in which we all have played a part. It could go on and on and on, or someone must write the end to it. I have concluded that only I can do that, and if I can, I must.

There are no historic or legal precedents to which I can turn in this matter, none that precisely fit the circumstances of a private citizen who has resigned the Presidency of the United States. But it is common knowledge that serious allegations and accusations hang like a sword over our former President's head, threatening his health as he tries to reshape his life, a great part of which was spent in the service of this country and by the mandate of its people.

After years of bitter controversy and divisive national debate, I have been advised, and I am compelled to conclude that many months and perhaps more years will have to pass before Richard Nixon could obtain a fair trial by jury in any jurisdiction of the United States under governing decisions of the Supreme Court.

I deeply believe in equal justice for all Americans, whatever their station or former station. The law, whether human or divine, is no respecter of persons; but the law is a respecter of reality.

The facts, as I see them, are that a former President of the United States, instead of enjoying equal treatment with any other citizen accused of violating the law, would be cruelly and excessively penalized either in preserving the presumption of his innocence or in obtaining a speedy determination of his guilt in order to repay a legal debt to society.

During this long period of delay and potential litigation, ugly passions would again be aroused. And our people would again be polarized in their opinions. And the credibility of our free institutions of government would again be challenged at home and abroad.

In the end, the courts might well hold that Richard Nixon had been denied due process, and the verdict of history would even more be inconclusive with respect to those charges arising out of the period of his Presidency, of which I am presently aware.

But it is not the ultimate fate of Richard Nixon that most concerns me, though surely it deeply troubles every decent:and every compassionate person. My concern is the immediate future of this great country.

In this, I dare not depend upon my personal sympathy as a long-time friend of the former President, nor my professional judgment as a lawyer, and I do not.

As President, my primary concern must always be the greatest good of all the people of the United States whose servant I am. As a man, my first consideration is to be true to my own convictions and my own conscience.

My conscience tells me clearly and certainly that I cannot prolong the bad dreams that continue to reopen a chapter that is closed. My conscience tells me that only I, as President, have the constitutional power to firmly shut and seal this book. My conscience tells me it is my duty, not merely to proclaim domestic tranquillity but to use every means that I have to insure it. I do believe that the buck stops here, that I cannot rely upon public opinion polls to tell me what is right. I do believe that right makes might and that if I am wrong, 10 angels swearing I was right would make no difference. I do believe, with all my heart and mind and spirit, that I, not as President but as a humble servant of God, will receive justice without mercy if I fail to show mercy.

erronis

(15,306 posts)
8. Thanks for that synopsis/detail. Wonder what Gerald Ford would do if he were dump's VP?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:26 PM
Aug 2018

While Ford was one of those vile repuglicons that have taken over the party, I doubt he would have had much leniency for the dump activities. But, who knows?

negoldie

(198 posts)
14. Nixon
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:59 AM
Aug 2018

was a tax cheat so yes he was enriching himself. Weird that you say that Nixon wans't enriching himself when he actually was......stay with the facts. We don't want to sound like those know nothings on the other side.

yuiyoshida

(41,833 posts)
5. "Trump can be prosecuted once he leaves office "
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 12:48 PM
Aug 2018

What if he doesn't leave office? What if he, like the Chinese President wishes to remain in office for life, and cancels the election? Could he do that?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,753 posts)
6. That's not all that crazy an idea. Remember what happened to Ford
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 12:50 PM
Aug 2018

after he pardoned Nixon? Ford himself later said that pardon cost him the 1976 election. If pardoning Trump likewise ruined Pence's political career and wrecked the GOP, I could live with it. That said, I'd much rather see Spanky in the dock wearing a jumpsuit that matched his face.

 

tomhagen

(3,604 posts)
7. He's admitted Multiple times to Obstruction of Justice in full view of the World.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:00 PM
Aug 2018

He’s gotten away to too much for too long.
Where are the Screaming Democrats Demanding his Resignation? I hear nothing.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
9. Trump is Pence proof?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:34 PM
Aug 2018

I think the Democrats think Trump gumming up the works is better than the alternative, and I can't say I disagree. To push to remove him will have to come from the GOP. The Democrats can only damage themselves if they do it.

mitch96

(13,913 posts)
11. Ok, tRump gets impeached..... can we then impeach Pence?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 03:05 PM
Aug 2018

Hopefully a dem would be the speaker of the house and him/her would be prez...
I know the repukes would go nutz....
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