Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
9 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Ask an Atheist: Are prayers at city council meetings constitutional? (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2018 OP
No cp Aug 2018 #1
Not constitutional? So what do we do next? suston96 Aug 2018 #2
As long as I am allowed to pray to Dr. Seuss also. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2018 #3
We pray at our local Democratic Party LeftInTX Aug 2018 #4
I think gods a republican, yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2018 #6
No. Prayers belong in houses of worship PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #5
It takes courage to sit when others are standing and praying. zanana1 Aug 2018 #7
+1. Good on you and I bet you help a lot of people make their own decisions about achieving sobriety FreepFryer Aug 2018 #8
The person or entity we should be asking is the Supreme Court . . . . markpkessinger Aug 2018 #9

Ferrets are Cool

(21,109 posts)
3. As long as I am allowed to pray to Dr. Seuss also.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:24 PM
Aug 2018


Just kidding. I know it's unlawful to mix gov'ment and religion....even if the religion is a fairy tale.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,873 posts)
5. No. Prayers belong in houses of worship
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:14 PM
Aug 2018

or should simply be said privately.

It also pisses me off that the supposedly "nondenominational" prayers are only nondenominational if you're a Protestant. Any other religion whatsoever is left out.

Makes me want to volunteer to do the prayer at some place like a city council meeting and start praying the rosary.

zanana1

(6,124 posts)
7. It takes courage to sit when others are standing and praying.
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 12:36 PM
Aug 2018

I go to AA meetings, and the Lord's prayer is always said at the end, with people holding hands. I always walk out when this is happening. When I explained that I was an atheist, the response was "Well, you have to have some kind of higher power to stay sober". My answer; "I've been sober for 40 years. Prayer had nothing to do with it". I get alot of dirty looks, but I'm not there for other people. I'm there to stay sober.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
9. The person or entity we should be asking is the Supreme Court . . . .
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 03:22 AM
Aug 2018

. . . and unfortunately, in the case Town of Greece v. Galloway, et al. (2014), the Supreme Court reversed the judgment of the lower courts that such prayers were a violation of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

So, for the time being at least, the answer is yes, they are constitutional, even if we don't think they should be.

See https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-696_bpm1.pdf

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Video & Multimedia»Ask an Atheist: Are praye...