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greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
Tue May 15, 2018, 10:10 AM May 2018

Perennial Climate Denial myth: "The Coming Mini Ice Age"



Not the first time I've had to shoot this down. Every time a new paper comes out about solar cycles, the denio-sphere goes into predictable overdrive.
Since the internet's algorithms like "man bites dog" stories, every jackass with a nonsense blog post or video goes to the top of the queue.
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Perennial Climate Denial myth: "The Coming Mini Ice Age" (Original Post) greenman3610 May 2018 OP
Oh ya, there's an ice age coming alright... infullview May 2018 #1
No. Your dots do NOT connect. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #3
So by this logic infullview May 2018 #6
Your analogy is bogus. Global warming does not melt magma. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #7
So you're saying that infullview May 2018 #8
No I'm NOT saying that. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #9
OK Mr. smartty pants... infullview May 2018 #10
Don't torque people around. It is cheap to waste their time. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #11
You're not even wrong . . . hatrack May 2018 #5
First clear refutation of the solar minimum theory I've seen. Thanks for posting. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #2
Maher luc mont May 2018 #4

infullview

(981 posts)
1. Oh ya, there's an ice age coming alright...
Tue May 15, 2018, 10:48 AM
May 2018

Just after the massive caldera in Yellowstone explodes.
connect the dots:
Global Warming=>higher temps=>more molten magma=>volcanoes

infullview

(981 posts)
8. So you're saying that
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:45 PM
May 2018

the overall temperature of the Earth's crust isn't affected by the additional heat in the atmosphere? So, does that also mean that the temperature of the sea will also not change? If you look at it as a thermodynamic system it doesn't add up, You've got more heat trapped so entropy isn't removing nearly as much heat; somethings got to give.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,013 posts)
9. No I'm NOT saying that.
Fri May 18, 2018, 06:25 PM
May 2018

I think you might be looking to learn, so please forgive me if I have been or am being a bit hard on you.


The overall temperature of the Earth's crust IS affected by additional heat in the atmosphere, but it negligible except at the very surface and even there the additional heat is not enough to melt rock.

Magma comes from below the Earth's crust. Far below.

The mean temperature of the sea IS changing. It is rising.

If you look at it as a thermodynamic system it doesn't add up,


No, you don't add up. You haven't done the math, not even a back of the envelope calculation.

The trapped heat does heat up the surface of the crust, down to a few meters. If magma gets that high it is already blowing a volcano whether there are six feet of snow or six feet of humid jungle above it. The trapped "greenhouse" heat does also heat up the oceans.

Study up on the following topics:

Magma reservoirs
Volcano structure
Magma conduits
Melting temperatures of common magmatic rocks
Permafrost melting
Ocean temperature rise
Ocean currents
Heat budget of the atmosphere and the biosphere (which goes down a meter or two generally)
Projected temperature rise expected due to anthropomorphic global warming
Thermodynamic equilibrium
Heat flow
Specific heat content of the atmosphere and oceans and earth's surface considered as a whole.

If the atmosphere warms up 1 degree Celsius (1.8 deg F), then the surface would warm up 1 degree also, and same for the oceans as an average because they are all in contact and thus more or less in equilibrium. They can't rise more than the atmosphere because it is the atmosphere that is raising the temperature. This is a generalization and averaging; some localized changes would be higher and the equilibrium is not perfect, but as a first approximation it is very good.

That 1 degree at the surface does not get magically magnified if it miraculously managed to penetrate 10 meters or a mile or 20 miles (depth of the crust, approximately). It is a maximum. The further it penetrates the more it gets dissipated.

Note about debating tactics: Any time a debater says "So you're saying that ..." they are almost certainly going to be wrong. If you want to have a conversation in which to learn something, then try writing something like "Does this mean that ...".

infullview

(981 posts)
10. OK Mr. smartty pants...
Fri May 18, 2018, 07:29 PM
May 2018

if you're standing on a cliff that has a 100 foot drop with a one gallon bucket of water that has a temperature of 32 degrees, and you dump the water over the cliff, what will be the temperature of the water when it hits the ground (hint use a partial differential equation to solve). How do you know I wasn't just having a little fun. You take life way to seriously.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,013 posts)
11. Don't torque people around. It is cheap to waste their time.
Fri May 18, 2018, 11:35 PM
May 2018

It's a shitty way to treat people who have good intentions. Not very progressive. Plus it is disruptive.

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