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Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:41 AM Aug 2012

What's next with Curiosity?

We've all seen the video "7 Minutes of Terror" but many don't know that it was put together with clips from a much longer unnarrated video produced by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory that shows the Curiosity mission goals more completely.

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What's next with Curiosity? (Original Post) Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 OP
Very interesting Esse Quam Videri Aug 2012 #1
That was really cool.. AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #2
"It also made me wonder what sounds would be like on Mars" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #3
... WhoIsNumberNone Aug 2012 #4
I didn't realize this probe was nuclear powered until I saw this video. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #5
I'm not woried about it. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #6
Apparently the solar powered ones are barely working due to dust covering the FailureToCommunicate Aug 2012 #7
They far outlived their expected service lifespans. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #8
Yeah, it's using RTGs, like the Voyager, Pioneer, Cassini, etc. probes as well. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #12
There were no protests over it that I recall at the launch, unlike the Cassini launch. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #13
Two words: Wiper blades. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #11
abrasion. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #14
My other option would be a thin saran wrap in layers Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #15
They say they actually wait for wind storms and get some dust cleared that way! FailureToCommunicate Aug 2012 #21
That dust must be like soft talcum powder. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #24
what happens to religion of they discover life.... editor5 Aug 2012 #9
More likely they'll want to send missionaries. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #10
I guess... PopeOxycontinI Aug 2012 #16
Eventually, it'll happen. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #18
The main thing is water. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #17
What's next? A few days of system checks and then a VERY short journey. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #19
It's set for two years. That should cover some ground... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #20
Well, perhaps the next one will employ the space crane for more than landing. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #22
That could require a lot of extra fuel. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #23

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
2. That was really cool..
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:09 AM
Aug 2012

It also made me wonder what sounds would be like on Mars.. and on a silly note.. I imagined hordes of (Martians? A-la-John Carter movie) riding some strange beasts over the hills in a full out charge.. and the Scientists at home staring in object Horror going.. "omg! Omg! Omg!"


 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
3. "It also made me wonder what sounds would be like on Mars"
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:32 AM
Aug 2012

A lot fainter than on earth due to the thinner atmosphere. (Less medium to transmit the sound waves.)

It always pisses me off to see sounds in space by people who know better.

It's like they're dumbing it down for us.

"2001 - A Space Odyssey" got it right. However Bowman shouldn't have sucked in his breath, he should have blown it all out and he would have likely lost his eardrums,...and his eyes....

Aw, hell, the only movie I've seen that shows what exposure to a vacuum does was "Outland".

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
5. I didn't realize this probe was nuclear powered until I saw this video.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:57 AM
Aug 2012

8:00 looks a bit like we sent it to taze the planet into submission.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
6. I'm not woried about it.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:10 PM
Aug 2012

It's a pulsed laser for spectrographic analysis. Also the plutonium battery is hardened to survive a pad explosion so there's no real danger of it just falling apart. It could probably take a meteor impact and besides, any civilization capable of visiting Mars isn't going to be stupid enough to pry it open and expose themselves.

I mean, it's not like we landed on a world with cave men with clubs.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
7. Apparently the solar powered ones are barely working due to dust covering the
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:33 PM
Aug 2012

panels.


This seems like a reasonable option for a dusty planet

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. They far outlived their expected service lifespans.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:54 PM
Aug 2012

And there are ways to deal with that, but this is fine. I'm just surprised I didn't hear about it before. I guess I wasn't as tuned into Curiousity's mission profile as I had thought.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. Yeah, it's using RTGs, like the Voyager, Pioneer, Cassini, etc. probes as well.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:57 AM
Aug 2012

It's worth noting that RTGs do have a solid safety record.

That's not to minimize the fact that, yes, they are nuclear powered.

The fact is, Curiosity is several times bigger than the MER rovers Spirit and Opportunity, and requires a great deal more power. It is going to be doing some high-powered science. I don't think solar panels would have done the job for a mission profile this ambitious.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
13. There were no protests over it that I recall at the launch, unlike the Cassini launch.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:58 AM
Aug 2012

it's worth noting, too, that Cassini has provided a goldmine of science. To my mind, I think the risks were worth it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
15. My other option would be a thin saran wrap in layers
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 02:25 AM
Aug 2012

As the top layer gets bad it's pealed off revealing a fresh one.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
24. That dust must be like soft talcum powder.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
Aug 2012

On earth the occasional rain washes the really fine grain stuff into the ground and bonds it. On Mars the particles just keep flying and colliding and breaking up with each wind into finer and finer particles. On the bright side, it doesn't seem to be either conductive or terribly abrasive. One of the landers went through a storm and didn't get sandblasted.

 

editor5

(67 posts)
9. what happens to religion of they discover life....
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:28 PM
Aug 2012

We'd like to hope religion would collapse under its weight;through all the contradictions but they'll just say; we always said "god" could do whatever he liked....being the hypocrites they are...

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. More likely they'll want to send missionaries.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:54 PM
Aug 2012

I had some show up at my door once and this girlfriend of mine played along and we acted like we'd never heard of Jesus or the concept of a God before they arrived.

It was a laugh riot.

I had to hold it together when she said, "A carpenter? Like Bob Vila?"

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. Eventually, it'll happen.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:43 AM
Aug 2012

Mars is very far away, and it's going to be a daunting undertaking.

Don't undervalue the accomplishment that just took place, though. This was a major- MAJOR- technological and engineering achievement. We used a flying rocket powered skycrane to lower a car-sized robot onto a planet 14 light minutes away. Humans -and, yeah, Americans- should be patting ourselves on the back today. This is a big deal.

Oh, and, welcome to DU!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. The main thing is water.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:27 AM
Aug 2012

It's very heavy to get into orbit and we need enough for a round trip.

Grabbing a comet would be ideal. There were plans in the 60s to do that to deliver water to a moon base. (A controlled impact into a specific spot and then mining it.)

All of this assumes a long trip but that's not necessarily the case.

Ever hear of Deep Space 1? It was launched 13 years ago.

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Ion drive is very real and can push a spacecraft to an amazing speed.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/details.cfm?id=5870

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
19. What's next? A few days of system checks and then a VERY short journey.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:02 PM
Aug 2012

The same thing they did with Spirit and Opportunity.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. It's set for two years. That should cover some ground...
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:21 PM
Aug 2012

....but yes, it IS a planet so it will only cover a tiny fraction of the surface.

The ultimate would be a lander that can fly from place to place or one that can send out probes. Maybe a low altitude balloon system.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
22. Well, perhaps the next one will employ the space crane for more than landing.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 02:55 PM
Aug 2012

The braking rocket contraption is still there. It is conceivable that they could work out a pickup and dropoff system using something similar.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

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23. That could require a lot of extra fuel.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:07 PM
Aug 2012

A balloon system could provide lift while fuel is used for horizontal flight to the next target. Idealy, one would have the mission land upwind of subsequent landing sites so it would be a case of land, explore, inflate and drift, land, deflate and stow, explore, inflate and drift,...etc. Designing a balloon that can be deflated and stowed is the key as you don't want to have to jettison a balloon for each touchdown. If you could pump the gas back into a storage tank it would help too. I'm assuming the lander would have the power to do that of course.

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