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Worlds First All-Electric VTOL Jet Tested Are Flying Cars Here? (Original Post) yuiyoshida Apr 2017 OP
Very cool design unc70 Apr 2017 #1
None of this adds up caraher Apr 2017 #2
Excellent analysis. There's also the problem of air-traffic control.... LongTomH Apr 2017 #4
And even if they solve all of those physical and aeronautical problems.... CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #5
I'll be more impressed if it actually can perform as hoped but until then its just another cstanleytech Apr 2017 #3

unc70

(6,121 posts)
1. Very cool design
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:44 AM
Apr 2017

A bunch of electric fans and a big battery. Range of 300 kilometers in about one hour.

Think I would want it to have one of the whole-plane parachutes. Doubt it has much glide range.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
2. None of this adds up
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:48 AM
Apr 2017

They've demonstrated a lightweight drone, basically, but the physics of scaling to something with the performance they aspire to doesn't make sense. My suspicion is heightened by their calling a bunch of ducted electric fans a "jet." My skepticism is shared by professionals (BTW, my own background is a physics PhD plus 3 years spent as an aerospace engineering major before I switched to physics). As an expert in the Wired story says:


“I’d say that’s impossible off the top of my head,” says Richard Pat Anderson, who runs the Flight Research Center at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and is developing his own vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. “They’re definitely exceeding some fundamental math.”


The fact that you can make something like that fly, for a little while at least, and especially with no load, is unremarkable. The assertion that they've "solved" all the main problems because they did a test flight is rubbish. The challenges are the combination of speed and range, especially with a load. They assert they will develop an ability to fly 190 miles at 190 MPH. This is a vastly harder problem than getting an electric car to go 300 miles at 65 MPH. The kind of projection they make is only conceivable if there is a truly mind-boggling breakthrough in battery technology. And if the idea is a fleet of instantly-dispatchable air taxis, another challenge is the huge fraction of time they'd likely spent sitting around charging (unless they have a battery-swap scheme in mind).

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
4. Excellent analysis. There's also the problem of air-traffic control....
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:09 PM
Apr 2017

......with thousands of small aircraft in the air.

They would have to be automated, with control from a satellite-based air traffic control system.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
5. And even if they solve all of those physical and aeronautical problems....
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:13 PM
Apr 2017

.... who is fly these things - one would need a pilot's license - and who is going to perform the flight control function if and when their are hundreds of these things flying in a given area. Car (usually) don't wreck into one another because they (generally) stay in their lanes. There are no lanes for these guys (at least not yet); they can fly any path they choose. In addition, normal radar would normally not track these very low flying vehicles, so how does anyone coordinate their separation from one another.

Conclusion: Even with the physical and aeronautical problems solved, this idea is not ready for prime time.

Good analysis of the physical situation by the way. (I have a mechanical engineering degree and am a former USAF aircraft maintenance officer.)

cstanleytech

(26,334 posts)
3. I'll be more impressed if it actually can perform as hoped but until then its just another
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:58 AM
Apr 2017

Moller M400 Skycar pipe dream.

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