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Understanding The Difference Between The UK, Great Britain and England (Original Post) elleng Jun 2016 OP
Understood and recommended. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1
A major reason for the immigration of "foreigners"; HeartoftheMidwest Jun 2016 #2
rubbish MadLinguist Jun 2016 #4
What a load of horseshit. Britons have been xenophobes since time immemorial. Chakab Jun 2016 #5
I think the author's point is that.. HeartoftheMidwest Jun 2016 #10
The "he" you are citing for that Trump talking point is a NY Obama-hating economist. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #6
Most problems in the Middle East? busterbrown Jun 2016 #7
The flood of refugees streaming north into Central and Northern Europe is a direct result... HeartoftheMidwest Jun 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Efilroft Sul Jun 2016 #3
Very informative - especially that stuff about Crown territories. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #8

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Understood and recommended.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

And Empire is one reason for the current problem. The white xenophobes do not want to see brown people immigrating even if these brown people come from countries that were once part of the Empire.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
2. A major reason for the immigration of "foreigners";
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

which has nothing to do with Empire:

"Hudson sees the crisis in Europe as, in part, spawned by the U.S. intervention in the Middle East and the Ukraine.

“If there is anyone who is responsible for the Brexit, it is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama,” he said. “They destroyed Libya. They turned over Libyan weapons to [Islamic State], al-Qaida and [Nusra Front]. It was their war in Syria, where many of these weapons ended up, which created the massive exodus of refugees into Europe. This exodus exacerbated nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment. Clinton and Obama are also responsible for a huge exodus of Ukrainians. This is all a response to American war policy in the Middle East and the Ukraine."

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/2008_all_over_again_20160624

Fair point.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
5. What a load of horseshit. Britons have been xenophobes since time immemorial.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

Were Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama to blame for all of the "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish" signs that my father used to see in England in the when immigrated there from Barbados to attend university in the 1960s?

I'm not even going to get into to the absurd notion that the intervention in Libya was more of a catalyst for the current crisis in the Middle East than the invasion of a Iraq, which the PM of the UK sitting at the time wholeheartedly endorsed.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
10. I think the author's point is that..
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:49 AM
Jun 2016

...our reckless ME policies have, as unintended consequences, led to a massive exodus of people from the ME and Northern Africa. As a member of the EU, great Britain has been under pressure from other EU countries, like Germany, to take in more refugees. That prospect seems to have fed into the social turmoil in Britain.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
6. The "he" you are citing for that Trump talking point is a NY Obama-hating economist.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jun 2016

He is no expert on the UK nor eastern European or Middle East geopolitics.

Even if the upheavals in the Ukraine or Syria were Obama's fault, which they are not (nor are they Hillary's), Syrians make up a negligible percentage of UK immigrants.

Less than 5,000 Syrians (including dependents) have been granted asylum in the UK since the Syrian conflict began in 2011. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34139960

To suggest that England and Wales chose to exit the EU over what amounts to an average of 1,000 Syrian refugees a year coming into the UK is preposterous.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
9. The flood of refugees streaming north into Central and Northern Europe is a direct result...
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:44 AM
Jun 2016

...of our disastrous ME policies. It's a major cause, but climate change has exacerbated the refugee problem too. Farmers dealing with a prolonged drought moved to urban areas, straining resources and heightening tensions within those ares.

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