Protester tries to attack Bernie Sanders at Oakland California Rally (5-30-16)

[Donkees]

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Published on May 30, 2016

[Agschmid]

1. Well that's scary.

[november3rd]

27. Watch it Turn Out

Jeff Weaver probably set the whole thing up. It will get Bernie some needed lens time.

[shakedown1970]

31. Really?

[MynameisBlarney]

38. Uh huh.

[wallyworld2]

39. I'm glad he's safe.

Everyone involved handled the situation with class.

Senator Sanders did not take this as an opportunity to spread hate and discontent as the other Presidential candidates would have.

[CentralMass]

2. Did he identify himself as a Trump supporter ?

[Donkees]

4. That's the way the video is labeled by the live-streamer covering the rally (BSS&E).

It seems it happened just several minutes after Trump was mentioned in the speech. An embedded reporter with the campaign labeled his photos as "animal rights protesters" jumping the barricades

[SunSeeker]

10. Odd that Sanders wouldn't be more accommodating to animal rights protesters.

The birdie would be so disappointed.

[FailureToCommunicate]

13. What a foul thing to say. I assumed you'd have the "sarcasm" smilie in your post, but

there was none.

If your preferred candidate was rushed, you'd be incensed if a Bernie supporter made a comment like yours.

[roguevalley]

18. when you have no heart you can say anything. given our

History of political murder, they outed themselves with that remark.

[SunSeeker]

23. Really? Are you accusing these 4 kids of being potential "political murderers"?!

And you accuse ME of having no heart!

[SunSeeker]

19. Why is it "foul"? Why wouldn't Sanders be more accommodating to animal rights protesters?

Seems like a fair question. They were not threatening Sanders. They did not "rush" Sanders. They did not even get on the stage. The two girls just held onto each other at the front of the seating area and shouted their protest. The two guys were in the aisle. Sanders did not even acknowledge their cause, even though he must have heard what the girls were shouting and thus must have known what they were protesting about.

Instead, Sanders responds with a boast that "we don't get intimidated easily." Yeah Bernie, if I had a football team worth of Secret Service agents not letting anyone near the stage, I wouldn't be intimidated easily either. And why did he assume they were "intimidating" him? In his statement responding to his supporters rioting at the Nevada state Dem convention, he defended their "right to protest." That is all these 4 kids appeared to be doing.

I remember when the Secret Service did a similar thing to protesters at one of Hillary's rallies (although there they merely led them out instead of carrying them out). Some folks here thought it was over the top and authoritarian, claiming the protesters should have been allowed to speak. But there, Hillary acknowledged the protesters and made it clear she supported there cause, if not their interruption.

That is all this was. An interruption. It was just 4 kids trying to get attention for their animal rights cause. Claiming it was some sort of "attack" or "intimidation" sounds really over the top if not downright paranoid.

[Renew Deal]

25. It had nothing to do with Sanders. The Secret Service jumped on them

correctly. You can't jump the barricades. There's no way of knowing if they want hugs or are crazed stalkers.

[SunSeeker]

28. But why did Sanders have to accuse the kids of trying to "intimidate" him?

It was obvious they were there just to get attention to their cause. The girls were shouting out their protest and holding on to each other.

I have no problem with the Secret Service getting the protesters out of there once they got near the stage. That is the Secret Service's job.

But the OP, and Sanders, creating all this drama over the protesters (protesters are, after all, a common fixture at political rallies) and then Sanders accusing them of trying to intimidate him by boasting that "we don't get intimidated easily"! Sheesh.

[JDPriestly]

33. The Secret Service responded. It doesn't look like Bernie even noticed them until

the Secret Service guy pushed Bernie away from the podium.

Someone who was there will have to explain this. Maybe the Secret Service will explain.

[SunSeeker]

34. Well he certainly noticed the girls shouting their protest.

The girls kept at it as Sanders was being shielded by the Secret Service agent, and he appeared to be looking in their direction in the video.

Again, why did he accuse them of trying to intimidate him? Seems like he thinks everything is about him.

[JDPriestly]

36. How low can a Hillary supporter sink?

Hillary has had demonstrators removed in her meetings, and it always gets publicity.

This is California. Free speech is everywhere.

Honestly. How jealous can Hillary supporters get?

Even jealous when another candidate has demonstrators that are removed by the Secret Service. How low can Hillary supporters get?

[SunSeeker]

41. I live in California. Free speech is indeed everywhere.

All the more odd that Sanders would not just pick up where he left off once the Secret Service did their job. Why did he have to pump his fist in the air and boast "we don't get intimidated easily"?

These were 4 kids trying to get attention to their animal rights cause. They did not try to "attack" Sanders as the OP suggests.

Accusing Hillary supporters of "jealously" because they point out facts? Shouldn't you be asking how low Sanders supporters can sink?

[Plucketeer]

59. Oh man!

Keep diggin'! Maybe one can get TOO MUCH sun?

[liberalnarb]

56. What do you mean why?

Physically attacking someone isn't intimidation?

[SunSeeker]

60. Who physically attacked Sanders? This was just 4 kids shouting attention for animal rights.

They did not even get on the stage, let alone "physically attack" Sanders.

Yet Sanders claimed they tried to intimidate him. Why?

[liberalnarb]

62. They jumped the barricade.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Protesters-Jump-Barricade-Interrupt-Bernie-Sanders-Rally-in-Oakland-381333601.html

[SunSeeker]

65. They got nowhere near Sanders. That video shows they were just seeking attention for their cause.

They were not attacking Sanders.

[liberalnarb]

67. Oh, bull! If it had been Sanders supporters at a Hillary rally you people would lose your minds.

[SunSeeker]

69. These were not Clinton supporters protesting Sanders. They only sought attention for animal rights.

Besides, Sanders supporters protest at Clinton rallies all the time and Clinton supporters do not "lose their minds."

[liberalnarb]

70. "All the time" is an exaggeration.

I meant if a Sanders support had jumped the gate and ran at Hillary.

[SunSeeker]

72. They did not "run at" Sanders. The two girls were holding onto each other.

The two boys were standing in the aisle.

[Renew Deal]

22. I think you mean "fowl"

[SunSeeker]

24. DUzy!

[ybbor]

30. That's what I was thinking...

If not for the eagle-eyes of the secret service agents swooping in to save the day, they could have had egg on their faces. But I'm not one to crow about it.

[Duval]

5. Yeah, how do we know?

Nevertheless, I'm relieved that Secret Service is doing a good job protecting Bernie.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

3. Not good

Trump supporter? How so?

[itsrobert]

6. How do you know this is an attack?

I see a man trying to get to the stage. kind of. Maybe he was going to attack Bernie, or maybe he was trying to grab the mic?

[Gregorian]

7. Thanks. I was unable to make sense of what happened even watching it live.

Those secret service guys were totally on it.

[CentralMass]

8. This sound like some possible political $hit stirring.

It will be interesting to find out who this guy is.

[SunSeeker]

9. Drama much? The protesters got nowhere near Sanders.

The butt-load of Secret Service agents made sure of that--literally carrying them out. I can't believe Sanders responds with a boast that "we don't get intimidated easily." Yeah Bernie, if I had a football team worth of Secret Service agents, I wouldn't be intimidated easily either.



I remember when the Secret Service did a similar thing to protesters at one of Hillary's rallies (although there they merely led them out instead of carrying them out). Some folks here thought it was over the top and authoritarian, claiming the protesters should have been allowed to speak.

BTW, where do you get that they're Trump supporters? They were not holding Trump signs (or any signs) and you couldn't hear what they were saying. They seemed like four college age kids--two girls and two boys. One of the girls, and maybe one of the boys, appear to be African American. They don't exactly fit the demographic of Trump supporters.

[Andy823]

15. I read they were

Animal rights protesters, not Tump protesters.

[SunSeeker]

16. Yes, it appears they were animal rights protesters. And they did not attack Sanders. nt

[OnyxCollie]

17. Luckily, there was no sniper fire. nt

[SunSeeker]

20. Well, Sanders wasn't in a war zone in Bosnia. nt

[OnyxCollie]

21. Nor did he lie about sniper fire.

But drama sells, right?

At least to the gullible.

[SunSeeker]

26. Someone's definitely trying to sell some drama here!

But some aren't that gullible.

[JDPriestly]

35. Animal rights protestors are very active in California.

I suppose that the Secret Service is trained to react to any group regardless because they cannot ascertain just by looking at people's faces whether they pose a danger.

I lived through the multiple assassinations in the 1960s. It was a terrible time.

I'm glad that the Secret Service is vigilant.

If that had been Hillary, you Hillary supporters would be happy that the Secret Service was so effective.

I cannot imagine the desperation of Hillary supporters when I see the comments about this incident. Bernie had no decision-making authority in how this group was handled.

The Secret Service observed a potential threat to a presidential candidate. I doubt they have a political criteria for deciding when to remove such a threat. The protestors if that is what they were should be thankful they got out alive. You don't mess with the Secret Service.

It was dramatic. Bernie did not try to sell drama. It simply was dramatic.

[SunSeeker]

37. But why did he have to accuse these kids of trying to intimidate him?

[JDPriestly]

40. We don't know what he saw.

We don't know what the Secret Service saw.

That the Secret Service reacted so quickly and so strongly suggests that the protestors crossed some sort of line known only to the Secret Service.

We shall find out, I suspect.

[SunSeeker]

42. Luckily, there's a video. Check it out in the OP. nt

[JDPriestly]

44. I watched it. We do not see the audience from the vantage point of the Secret Service.

You cannot tell whether they were just disrupting or perhaps threatening or trying to cross the barrier.

The Secret Service is trained to protect the president. They treat all the candidates as if they were the president.

They would have done the same thing for Hillary or Obama. Something caused them to act. It was not trivial.

[SunSeeker]

45. I totally agree the Secret Service did their job. But why the Sanders outburst about intimidation?

They did not even get to the stage. Dude has issues.

[JDPriestly]

46. Apparently the reports state that they crossed the barrier.

They treat all candidates like the president himself. As they should.

They are not trained to differentiate based on political viewpoints I would bet.

[SunSeeker]

48. The protesters were not "intimidating" or attacking Sanders.

The Secret Service Agents obviously did their job and no one is disputing that. But what I am asking is why accuse these kids of trying to "attack" Sanders and why did Sanders himself accuse them of trying to intimidate him?

Here's a video with better sound at this link: http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/bernie-sanders-attacked-video-oakland-rally-protestors-arrested-animal-rights-activists-youtube/

The protesters were clearly shouting "Animal Liberation Now!" They were not intimidating Sanders.

I get that once they went past where you were supposed to be seated, the Secret Service had to eject them. But this happens all the time at political rallies. Why did Sanders have to accuse them of trying to intimidate him by boasting "we don't get intimidated easily"?

[chwaliszewski]

52. It sounds like you have a few issues yourself.

Why is this bothering you so much? Hillary is going to get the nomination (probably). So why waste your time complaining about something that has nothing to do with Hillary? Are you bored? I don't get it.

[SunSeeker]

68. Why are my posts pointing out facts bothering you so much?

Nothing better to do with your time? Are you bored?

[chwaliszewski]

78. 'Dude has issues' is not a fact; it's your opinion.

[OwlinAZ]

57. You are the one with issues.

Sanders made a correct statement. There was no loss of temper or over reaction.

[chwaliszewski]

79. Exactly!

It's just impatient Hillary supporters wanting to stir up some mud.

[Joob]

61. What do you mean? SS jumped all over him, he saw them take people away.

He wasn't leaving that podium no matter what and SS wasn't going to intimidate him to leave it!














lol. Jokes, aside. SS jumped all over him, he sees people get taken away, one would assume something nefarious such as someone trying to intimidate him is going on, at least in the heat of the moment. And the way things looked. Judging how SS reacted.

Of course it's under that assumption! It's not like he yelled "Get him outta here", was all quite spontaneous.

[SunSeeker]

64. These kids were just shouting "Animal Liberation now!" He could hear that.

They did not get on stage or attack him. Since when were protests at political rallies "nefarious"? Sanders himself defended his supporters for protesting at Clinton rallies--even though his supporters were screaming obscenities at Clinton supporters with children. The protesters at this Sanders rally weren't screaming obscenities at Sanders, they were just shouting for attention to their cause. Protests are a common feature at political rallies. There is nothing "nefarious" about it.

The Secret Service keeping a perimeter around him does not mean he is being attacked. That's just them doing there job. Sanders knows that.

[OnyxCollie]

50. Exactly!

And unlike Hillary, who openly lies about sniper fire in the face of video that proves otherwise, Bernie does not.

Hillary thinks her supporters are gullible; I agree.

[SunSeeker]

66. Bernie lied that these kids tried to intimidate him. nt

[OnyxCollie]

75. Mind-reading skills, huh?

You know that Bernie wasn't intimidated, is that it?

Not everyone possesses mind-reading skills. Fortunately, videotape makes it easy to tell for anyone with eyes alone that Hillary's lying.

[SunSeeker]

77. Fortunately, there's videotape that shows Sanders is lying.

Those kids were just shouting for animal rights, to bring attention to their cause. They were not attacking him or intimidating him. Those two girls weren't even looking at him; they were just holding onto each other, looking at the audience, not Bernie, and shouting "Animal Liberation Now!"

It would be one thing if he said he "felt intimidated." I wouldn't question that. But that is not what he said. Rather, just the opposite. He pumped his fist up in the air and boasted that "we don't get intimidated easily," implying these kids tried to intimidate him but failed. That is a lie. These kids weren't trying to intimidate him.

[OnyxCollie]

80. Again you claim to know what others are thinking, and how they perceive things.

Those protestors violated protocol and were subdued by SS agents. They disrupted his speech and forced attention upon themselves.

You have NO IDEA how Bernie is perceiving the disruptors. You can't read his mind. Your "proof" offers nothing, since your claim is based on your delusions.

[SunSeeker]

81. Sanders was not describing his "feelings." nt

[OnyxCollie]

82. What is intimidation then, other than how someone feels?

You should have quit a long time ago. You're just embarrassing yourself now.

[SunSeeker]

83. Did he say he was intimidated? No.

Certainly the requirements for being legally liable for criminal acts that amount to intimidation, such as terrorist threats, require specific acts and statements on the perpetrator's part, and do not soley rely on the subjective "feelings" of the victim.

But regardless, Sanders never even said he was intimidated. It was just the opposite. He implied he was NOT intimidated, suggesting these kids tried to intimidate him and failed. He boasted that "We don't get intimidated easily!" and pumped his fist in the air.

[OnyxCollie]

84. Oh, what horseshit.

If a coworker hugs another coworker, the hugged coworker may feel sexually harassed, even though nothing criminal was done.

I'll never get back the time I wasted replying to you.

Lesson learned.

[SunSeeker]

85. You just described a physical act, namely touching a coworker.

Sexual harassment for purposes of civil liability still requires some sort of act on the part of the perpetrator; in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, it generally involves the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm

But you are still avoiding the issue. Sanders accused these kids of trying to intimidate him and they did no such thing.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

11. Whew

"The protesters got nowhere near Sanders." Right, the S.S. doing their job. Think it's safe to say we want ALL of our candidates to be free from harm.

[mikehiggins]

12. Thanks folks that think this is okay fine. Gave me some more names to add to my ignore list

Oh, and duck(sp) you all.

[c588415]

14. Speaking of Oakland Calif, my GoldenState Warriors just beat OKC

[emsimon33]

29. Same Secret Service personnel as in Santa Maria, CA

As we entered and left, we thanked them for protecting Bernie--person after person thanked them.

[left-of-center2012]

32. A Sanders campaign plot, someone said

[OnyxCollie]

76. Creative Speculation is missing an OP. nt

[passiveporcupine]

43. Oh fuck a duck

I cannot believe the tripe I'm reading in this thread.

[CountAllVotes]

51. A giant load of ...

Sanders 2016 -- Feel The Bern!

Onwards and upwards we go!

[rbrnmw]

47. OMG I am glad he is OK

[bravenak]

54. +1

[RandySF]

49. Animal rights activist

Per Ch. 7 tonight.

[chwaliszewski]

53. Are you sure you wouldn't rather hang out in the Hillary forum?

Perhaps you feel the need to come make fun of our candidate's reaction. Try reading a book or calling a friend if you're that bored.

[RandySF]

58. WTF are you ranting about?

At least five animal rights activists on Monday rushed the stage as presidential candidate Bernie Sanders spoke at a rally in Oakland, video posted online showed.

The protesters were led away by several Secret Service agents before they were able to reach the Democrat, whose speech was briefly interrupted by the disturbance, a video posted by CNN showed.

A Secret Service agent rushed to Sanders' side, grabbed him and wrapped his arms around the presidential candidate during the ruckus.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protesters-idUSKCN0YM0BQ

[watoos]

55. My Channel 7

had the Pens beating San Jose.

[passiveporcupine]

63. First of all, the title of this thread should be changed

Nobody "attacked" Bernie. Four animal rights activists jumped the barriers and rushed the stage, but were intercepted and detained by Secret Service before they could get to the stage.

They would not have attacked Bernie, but who they were and what their intentions were could not be known by SS, so they were handled appropriately.

Second. They were not four girls. I saw two different images of at least one male...this is one



the other was in a video showing a man in handcuffs, from behind, being walked into the City hall building by SS.

So this was not just helpless little women...OK?

'Over a dozen animal rights activists with the network Direct Action Everywhere just rushed the stage of a Bernie Sanders Rally outside Oakland City Hall in California, demanding the candidate promise action to secure legal rights for nonhuman animals.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617169/At-four-people-animal-rights-group-detained-police-rushing-stage-Bernie-Sanders-rally-Oakland.html

This is a venue with a barricade to keep the speaker safe, and anyone jumping that barrier has to be considered dangerous until it is known what their intentions are. So anyone trying to say Sanders should not have been worried is crazy. Period. But he wasn't freaked out and continued the speech after they were detained, and joked about not being easily intimidated.

Whomever here is trying to make an issue of that...yes...one poster tried to compare this to protesters at a Hillary event that were just approached and ushered out without a big scene...BUT...THEY DID NOT JUMP THE PROTECTIVE BARRIER TO RUSH HER STAGE...YUUUUGE difference.

So would everyone please just stop this silly stuff and don't turn this into another Popegate? You are just embarrassing yourselves.

And one of you especially just earned yourself a big ignore from me. PLONK

[Donkees]

71. Definition of attack also includes verbal and aggressive acts...

Chris Carco, who is the founder of SF Vegans, told Heavy that she didn’t agree with Direct Action Everywhere’s methods and was concerned about any media coverage given to the group.

“I run a local vegan group with about 1800 members and I have been both a vocal critic of Direct Action Everywhere as well as one of their many victims of harassment…,” she wrote. “Direct Action Everywhere is abusive and destructive, both to individuals and the larger vegan/animal rights community.”

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/bernie-sanders-attacked-video-oakland-rally-protestors-arrested-animal-rights-activists-youtube/

noun
Attack is defined as the act of making a physical or verbal attempt to hurt or destroy, sometimes in a purposefully hurtful manner.

When a military unit discovers an enemy building, and they begin heavy firing and bombing, it is an example of an attack.

When two presidential candidates have a debate and end up slinging insults back in forth in order to undermine the other’s chances, it is an example of an attack.

Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/attack#SiajfXHi688AYlHt.99

[SunSeeker]

73. Even under that definition, they were not attacking Sanders.

They weren't even addressing Sanders. They were just shouting "Animal Liberation Now!" Not everything is about Sanders.

[FailureToCommunicate]

86. Your posts here have shown you to have lost any credibility on this news. Please just give

it a rest.

[SunSeeker]

87. No one has managed to dispute what I have said, despite triple and quadruple teaming me.

All you have left are pointless insults. If it is a dead horse, why do you all keep replying to me?

[passiveporcupine]

74. You do have a valid point

but I don't think that is the way most people perceive the word attack. Especially in view of the accusations of violence (some real, some not) in this presidential election cycle.

[Donkees]

88. This group has a history of disrupting Bernie events

They attack his stand on the Vermont Dairy Industry, etc., etc.


Examples of perception of word "attack"

Sanders' Attacks Are Taking a Serious Toll on Clinton
Bernie Sanders Renews Attacks on Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania
Hillary Clinton Attacks Sanders and American Progressives
Bernie Sanders: I attacked Hillary Clinton because she attacked me
long list of etc., etc., etc.,