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What the Two Parties Don't Want You to Know [CC] (Original Post) Donkees May 2016 OP
Ahh yes, the right wing meme that both parties are the same. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
You think the corporate takeover of the country was only done by one party? shakedown1970 May 2016 #2
Please note Plucketeer May 2016 #11
As an active participant in the democratic process on the liberal side of things for 40 years Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #12
I suppose you should watch the video.. or whatever. Cool story bro! nt phazed0 May 2016 #3
Excellent Informational Video... kadaholo May 2016 #4
This is excellent passiveporcupine May 2016 #5
Since I am a lifelong Democrat walkingman May 2016 #6
Thank You For Promoting The Truth cantbeserious May 2016 #7
Noam Chomsky's 10 principles of the concentration of wealth and power... Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #8
Thanks, Don't (nt) enough May 2016 #9
Something about this.. zentrum May 2016 #10

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
1. Ahh yes, the right wing meme that both parties are the same.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

I assume, i have not and wont watch a video with that lead in.

The idea that people are paving the way for Drumpf simply amazes me.

shakedown1970

(64 posts)
2. You think the corporate takeover of the country was only done by one party?
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

That is delusional and dangerous thinking because you fail to diagnose a potentially fatal condition properly.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
11. Please note
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

This person has an ideal they're pushing - and you must get that ideal "into your thick head". I've personally gotten "advice" from this person that to vote my conscience - instead of for HRC - is the same as me telling millions: Tough Luck!

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
12. As an active participant in the democratic process on the liberal side of things for 40 years
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

it is clear that both parties are part of the problem.

One party will possibly end all life as we know it, the other wont, probably.

You see how simple this is?

Let me try it this way, which person in the WH is guaranteed to appoint SC justices who will do terrible things, which person will nuke someone for insulting him and which person will deport millions if he can?

So you vote against that person while trying to REPLACE the moderates, like Clinton.

You dont allow Mussolini to take over S I G H

kadaholo

(304 posts)
4. Excellent Informational Video...
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

... Petition: "Democracy Functions Best When Most People Participate" at IndependentVoterProject.org

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
5. This is excellent
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

I've always been a party person...dedicated to the dem party no matter what. My eyes have been really opened in this election and I know see how wrong it is to run primaries this way, so only people who are registered in the two main parties get to vote on who runs in the GE. Especially when it disenfranchises tax paying independents this way.

And while there are more independents in the US than either dems or republicans, their ideologies are not the same. Some tend to be conservative and vote republican, and some tend to be liberal and vote democratic, so the independent party is split and not as powerful as it appears. It can't just run it's own candidate in the GE and win.

Bernie is shaking things up though...making a lot of people wonder about party loyalty. People from both sides, dem and republican.

walkingman

(7,630 posts)
6. Since I am a lifelong Democrat
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

I'll only give my opinion on the Democratic Party. The system is rigged and this election cycle should make that obvious to anyone. Like Bernie says, "We need a revolution!". Today's Democratic Party has become the lesser of two evils. The Dem party has moved so far to the right that Nixon would be considered a liberal today.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
8. Noam Chomsky's 10 principles of the concentration of wealth and power...
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

"1. Reduce Democracy. Chomsky finds this acted on by the very "founding fathers" of the United States, in the creation of the U.S. Senate, and in James Madison's statement during debate over the U.S. Constitution that the new government would need to protect the wealthy from too much democracy. Chomsky finds the same theme in Aristotle but with Aristotle proposing to reduce inequality, while Madison proposed to reduce democracy. The burst of activism and democracy in the United States in the 1960s scared the protectors of wealth and privilege, and Chomsky admits that he did not anticipate the strength of the backlash through which we have been suffering since.

2. Shape Ideology. The Powell Memo from the corporate right, and the Trilateral Commission's first ever report, called "The Crisis of Democracy," are cited by Chomsky as roadmaps for the backlash. That report referred to an "excess of democracy," the over engagement of young people with civic life, and the view that young people were just not receiving proper "indoctrination." Well, there's a problem that's been fixed, huh?
3. Redesign the Economy. Since the 1970s the United States has been moved toward an ever larger role for financial institutions. By 2007 they "earned" 40% of corporate profits. Deregulation has produced wealth concentration and economic crashes, followed by anti-capitalist bailouts making for more wealth concentration. Offshore production has reduced workers' pay. Alan Greenspan testified to Congress about the benefits of promoting "job insecurity" -- something those Europeans in Michael Moore's film don't know about and might find it hard to appreciate.
4. Shift the Burden. The American Dream in the 1950s and 60s was partly real. Both the rich and the poor got richer. Since then, we've seen the steady advance of what Chomsky calls the plutonomy and the precariat, that is the wealthy few who run the show and get all the new wealth, and the precarious proletariat. Back then, taxes were quite high on corporations, dividends, and wealth. Not anymore.
5. Attack Solidarity. To go after Social Security and public education, Chomsky says, you have to drive the normal emotion of caring about others out of people's heads. The U.S. of the 1950s was able to make college essentially free with the G.I. Bill and other public funding. Now a much wealthier United States is full of "serious" experts who claim that such a thing is impossible (and who must strictly avoid watching Michael Moore).
6. Run the Regulators. The 1970s saw enormous growth in lobbying. It is now routine for the interests being regulated to control the regulators, which makes things much easier on the regulated.
7. Engineer Elections. Thus we've seen the creation of corporate personhood, the equation of money with speech, and the lifting of all limits under Citizens United.
8. Keep the Rabble in Line. Here Chomsky focuses on attacks on organized labor, including the Taft Hartley Act, but one could imagine further expansions on the theme.
9. Manufacture Consent. Obsessive consumers are not born, they're molded by advertising. The goal of directing people to superficial consumption as a means of keeping people in their place was explicit and has been reached. In a market economy, Chomsky says, informative advertisements would result in rational decisions. But actual advertisements provide no information and promote irrational choices. Here Chomsky is talking about, not just ads for automobiles and soap, but also election campaigns for candidates.
10. Marginalize the Population. This seems as much a result as a tactic, but it certainly has been achieved. What the public wants does not typically impact what the U.S. government does.
Unless the trends described above are reversed, Chomsky says, things are going to get very ugly.
Then the film shows us a clip of Chomsky saying the same thing decades earlier when he was still shown on U.S. television. He's been marginalized along with the rest of us."

Watch Requiem For The American Dream.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
10. Something about this..
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016

video makes me suspicious.

They don't at all mention Citizen's United or the influence of money and PACS on both parties.

Why not?

Yet they slip in this idea that taxpayers having to publicly fund elections is a big problem.

I wonder if this is one of those turf operations that look fair and progressive but the real agenda is to, in fact, squash all ideas of public funding ---which is actually the best way to end electoral bribery. And to solve many of the problems they address.

In England, elections are publicly funded, run for a much briefer amount of time, ads are not allowed and no private donations of candidates is allowed. They have a better democracy than we do. Wish we'd never had the American Revolution.

Can't sign this petition until I understand this group better. Just doesn't feel right to never mention the effect of money on the behavior of both parties and their candidates and on the media and their love of ad-buying and of the dog fight type of election narrative.



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