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Corporate Media Defends Bernie Sanders! (Original Post) DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 OP
Great job, Morning Joe! DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #1
I've always admired Joe Scarborough's sharp wit, even if begrudginly for using it to serve fascists. forest444 May 2016 #15
Excellent. elleng May 2016 #2
Yes! I love that part! DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #3
Yes, it was a good part; elleng May 2016 #4
Please do! DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #8
OK, elleng May 2016 #9
Joe is right, Bernie owes the democratic party NOTHING. ViseGrip May 2016 #6
My jaw was on zentrum May 2016 #24
As I don't watch the show, my jaw was not on the floor; elleng May 2016 #28
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #5
Bernie Cannot Win erpowers May 2016 #21
Kickin' Faux pas May 2016 #7
required viewing for all......... joanbarnes May 2016 #10
A big F'ing WOW!!! Duckfan May 2016 #11
I know, right?! DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #41
Great show! JDPriestly May 2016 #12
K&R yuiyoshida May 2016 #13
It's a ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #14
Trump Supporter erpowers May 2016 #16
I am a Bernie supporter. I would not touch Joe (dead intern) S. in a hazmat suit. arendt May 2016 #20
All true about Joe, zentrum May 2016 #29
If Scarborough wanted Trump to succeed he wouldn't be promoting the candidate; most Uncle Joe May 2016 #22
Scarborough Supports Republican Party erpowers May 2016 #26
Scarborough has already stated that Trump's remarks disqualify him for the Presidency. Uncle Joe May 2016 #27
You don't understand--Sanders has not been vetted. MADem May 2016 #32
You obviously know nothing about Independents, Bernie is dominating among that group, their votes Uncle Joe May 2016 #34
The Donald just got the NRA endorsement. MADem May 2016 #35
If that's what you got from Bernie's message, you haven't been paying attention. Uncle Joe May 2016 #36
Good grief--why not just hand me pages of campaign literature? MADem May 2016 #37
Their sources were Gallup and Pew and you're wrong Hillary hasn't won the nomination. Uncle Joe May 2016 #38
You do realize George Gallup's organization is to the right of Attila the Hun? MADem May 2016 #39
I agree, that is one of the best episodes actually covering the dynamics and issues Uncle Joe May 2016 #17
Love your screen name! zentrum May 2016 #18
Those guys act like they just discovered Bernie yesterday. vanlassie May 2016 #19
I thought this was snark, just reading the title. Shocked to find otherwise. Thank you silvershadow May 2016 #23
Outstanding, Spread It Far and Wide! Saw it live, thanks for posting. Score Big 1 for MSM! appalachiablue May 2016 #25
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast May 2016 #30
Wow... I'm speechless!! AmBlue May 2016 #31
And then....there's this.... MADem May 2016 #33
like a broadcast from an alternate universe GreatGazoo May 2016 #40

forest444

(5,902 posts)
15. I've always admired Joe Scarborough's sharp wit, even if begrudginly for using it to serve fascists.
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

But age has definitely made him wiser, and while I don't expect him to become a true-blue progressive he's certainly one to watch for his insights in the coming years.

He's certainly head and shoulders above the stenographers, potted plants, and carnival barkers out there.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
2. Excellent.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

Mika said 'they don't get his values,' and they sure should, 'he's speaking of the core of the democratic party, the New Deal,' @ 12 minutes.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
4. Yes, it was a good part;
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

I didn't type fast enough and catch it all.

Posted it @ fb. Trying to 'educate' some/many uninformed/closed-minded 'friends,' without getting into their faces too sharply.

Dad would have appreciated him too, partly because they (and I both) are/were from NYC.

Would you, or should I post it 'up front' in GD: P?

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
8. Please do!
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016
The poster of the video has some great links.. I have very bad eyesight at times--it takes me forever!
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
6. Joe is right, Bernie owes the democratic party NOTHING.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:35 PM
May 2016

Help us Bernie. We have not had a party since Clinton sold it to the highest bidder to form the DLC.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
24. My jaw was on
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

....the ground throughout this entire segment.

They hit every damn point. Party establishment corruption. Bernie leading a revolution simply because he's a return to the genuine values of the party. The system being rigged against him from day one. Naming DWS by name.

What really interested me was the idea that Bernie should have run as an Independent. I wonder if that's true.

Sad how an FDR Democrat, whom so many of us life-long Democrats identify with, would have had to run as an Independent, to do what FDR would have done. That says it all.

And BTW---why isn't Rachel Maddow like this anymore? Oh, never mind.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
28. As I don't watch the show, my jaw was not on the floor;
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

I was nodding in agreement throughout.

MORE than sad; AWFUL the abuse Senator Sanders is being subjected to, by people who consider themselves to be Democrats/liberals/progressives.

I've tuned out, re: Rachel; used to watch hayes/rachel/lawrence shows every evening, but no more; life's too short to voluntarily subject myself to misery/anger.

Running as an 'independent' would, imo, have gotten him nowhere, in this country; we're just NOT open minded.

Response to DianaForRussFeingold (Original post)

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
21. Bernie Cannot Win
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders would not win on a third party ticket. The only thing a third party ticket would do is split the Democratic Party vote and allow Donald Trump to win the election.

Who do you expect to break from Trump in order for Sanders to win? Do you expect small government conservatives to vote for Sanders? Are anti-tax/low tax Republicans supposed to vote for him? Are anti-Communist/anti-Socialist Republicans supposed to vote for him? Do you really think enough Independents will vote for Sanders in order for him to win?

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
41. I know, right?!
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016
First I thought, no way. Then I watched the video. I thought Wow, What took them so long--I have to share this. That title, though.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. Great show!
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

Bernie is putting the corporate snakes in what used to be the Democratic Party on the spot. And they don't like it.

Bernie, I'm with you.

You are the first honest politician since Harry S. Truman.

Follow your conscience. Listen to that inner voice, and do what is right, whatever your conscience tells you is right.

The young people of America are with you.

I'm old, but I have been talking to a lot of young people recently. They love you, and they trust you. Follow your conscience.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
16. Trump Supporter
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:33 PM
May 2016

I am shocked that Bernie Sanders supporters can be so gullible. Joe Scarborough is a major supporter of Donald Trump and a Republican before anything. Also, he desperately wants the Republican Party to retake the White house. According to CNN, Scarborough was asked if he would consider becoming Donald Trump's VP. Scarborough repsonded that he would not be Trump's VP, but he would do almost anything to get back the White House.

Of course Joe Scarborough is going to say glowing things about Bernie Sanders. Scarborough wants a divided Democratic Party so the Republican Party can win. Scarborough knows that the only thing an Independent Bernie Sanders run will do is split the Democratic Party vote and lead to a Donald Trump win.

arendt

(5,078 posts)
20. I am a Bernie supporter. I would not touch Joe (dead intern) S. in a hazmat suit.
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

Nothing good can come from promoting this blowdried authoritarian.

The MSM is crap. Joe S. is part of the MSM. Therefore, Joe S. is crap.

You are not going to find un-tainted pro-Bernie commentary in the MSM.

You are laying yourselves open to the charge of complete hypocrisy.

Please, for Bernie's sake, stop this.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
29. All true about Joe,
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

.....but this was a really important conversation to finally have broadcast on MSM.

The messenger is a snake but the message is pure gold. I'm glad Joe's mainstream viewers saw it. Really glad.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
22. If Scarborough wanted Trump to succeed he wouldn't be promoting the candidate; most
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

able to defeat him in a general election match up.

Instead Joe would be jumping on board the Schultz DNC train working to alienate Bernie and his supporters from the Democratic Party by requiring Bernie to wear sack cloth and ashes to atone for his rightfully angry and disenfranchised delegates in Nevada.

Bernie has condemned all forms of violence; whether it be physical or harassment from the very beginning of his campaign to date but that wasn't good enough for the corporate established Democrats and the vast majority of the corporate media they wanted Bernie to disregard the unfair and unjust treatment of his delegates in Nevada as well.

Bernie is too much of a substantive individual to ever do such a thing but the vast majority of the corporate media conglomerates; this program being an exception don't care about context, substance, justice, democracy or the actual facts.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
26. Scarborough Supports Republican Party
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

Joe Scarborough want any Republican in the White House. The current Republican candidate is Donald Trump. Scarborough has already said that he would do almost anything to help Republicans take back the White House. Scarborough is taking Sanders' side in order to keep Democrats divided. He is also pushing Sanders to mount an Independent campaign because he knows Sanders would not win in the general if he ran an Independent campaign. The only thing he would be able to is take away enough votes in order to hand the election to Donald Trump.

In addition, I do not think Joe Scarborough, or any other Republican is scared of Bernie Sanders being the Democratic Party nomiee. They believe the can damage his image enough to beat him. Bernie Sanders has not had to face a Republican attack.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
27. Scarborough has already stated that Trump's remarks disqualify him for the Presidency.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016



Scarborough cuts to commercial because Trump won't stop talking



The corporate established Democrats may be clueless; willful or not in regards to Bernie's general election strength but I believe the Republicans know better, one of Bernie's great strengths is with Independents, this also one of Hillary's weaknesses and while Independents may not be welcome in many state Democratic primaries they will most assuredly vote in the g.e.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. You don't understand--Sanders has not been vetted.
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

WE know about his curious essays and his travels (which are off-putting/disturbing/stupid--and he owned up to the latter) but most people do not. Once the heartland hears that stuff, he couldn't get elected dog catcher.

You obviously know nothing about Scarborough, either--he was an acolyte of Newt Gingrich and went to DC on the "Contract With America" train (I called that the Contract ON America, myself). He is a Hard Core Right Wing NUTJOB.

Scarborough wants Trump in the WH. He doesn't "like" Bernie, he's USING him. He wants the weaker candidate to go up against The Donald.

smh!

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
34. You obviously know nothing about Independents, Bernie is dominating among that group, their votes
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

will be required in the general election and this is just one major area where Hillary is exceptionally weak.



MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. The Donald just got the NRA endorsement.
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

Kiss those gun loving indies goodbye.

Did you see how many WVa primary voters who pulled the lever for Sanders have said that no matter what, they're going Trump in the general? These people are NOT Democrats, they're NOT "progressives" and they are most assuredly NOT "liberals."

Mischief-making at the primary level is not new...why do so many Sanders supporters think all this (cough) support from people who a) Are gun nuts; b) Hate women, despise immigrants, and resent black people and c) Feel that "they" are "takin' our jerbs" are going to actually STAY with him. It's naive hope that would never be realized.

They were trying to cut the stronger candidate out of the herd. It didn't work.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
36. If that's what you got from Bernie's message, you haven't been paying attention.
Fri May 20, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016


More and More Americans Agree With Bernie Sanders, and Not Just Those Who Identify With the Left

(snip)

So let’s look instead at what Americans actually believe and care about.

Polls show that Americans are upset with widening inequality, the political influence of big business, and declining living standards. Public opinion is generally favorable toward greater government activism to address poverty, inequality, opportunity, and climate change.

Most Americans worry that government has been captured by the powerful and wealthy. They want a government that serves the common good. They also want to reform government to make it more responsive and accountable.

On those matters—both broad principles and specific policy prescriptions—Sanders is in sync with the vast majority of Americans.

Big Business
· About three-quarters (74 percent) of Americans—including 84 percent of Democrats, 72 percent of independents, and 62 percent of Republicans—believe that corporations have too much influence on American life and politics today, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll. In contrast, only 37 percent think that labor unions exercise too much influence.

· The Pew Research Center discovered that 60 percent of Americans—including 75 percent of Democrats—believed that "the economic system in this country unfairly favors the wealthy."

· Fifty-eight percent of Americans said they would support breaking up “big banks like Citigroup,” a key plank of Sanders’ platform and the goal of a bill that Sanders sponsored in the Senate.

· Seventy-three percent of Americans favor tougher rules for Wall Street financial companies, versus 17 percent who oppose stronger regulation.

· Sixty-four percent of Americans strongly or somewhat favor regulating greenhouse gas emissions from power plants, factories and cars and requiring utilities to generate more power from “clean” low-carbon sources.

Progressive Taxation
· More than three-quarters of Americans (79 percent) think that wealthy people don't pay their fair share of taxes, while 82 percent believe that some corporations don’t pay their fair share of taxes.

Sixty-eight percent of Americans favor raising taxes on people earning more than $1 million per year, including 87 percent of Democrats, 65 percent of independents, and 53 percent of Republicans.

Inequality and Poverty
· A strong majority (66 percent) say that wealth should be more evenly divided and that it is a problem that should be addressed urgently.

· Ninety-two percent of Americans want a society with far less income disparity than currently exists in the United States. Americans prefer some inequality to perfect equality, according to the professors at the Harvard Business School and Duke University who conducted the survey. But when asked to pick an ideal level of income disparity, Americans prefer the more egalitarian level similar to the one in Sweden (although without identifying the country by name) to that in the U.S. What’s more, the rich and the poor, and Democrats and Republicans, are almost equally likely to choose the Swedish model. For example, 93.5 percent of Democrats and 90.2 percent of Republicans preferred the level of income distribution that exists in Sweden.

· Sixty-nine percent of Americans—including 90 percent of Democrats, 69 percent of independents, and 45 percent of Republicans—believe that the government should help reduce the gap between the rich and everyone else. Eighty-two percent of Americans—including 94 percent of Democrats, 83 percent of independents, and 64 percent of Republicans—think the government should help reduce poverty.

Money in Politics
· Eighty-four percent of Americans think that money has too much influence in politics. Slightly more Americans (85 percent) want an overhaul of our campaign finance system

· Seventy-eight percent of Americans think that campaign spending by outside groups not affiliated with candidates should be limited by law.

· A majority of Americans (54 percent) believe that money given to political candidates is not a form of free speech protected by the First Amendment. In other words, they disagree with the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling.

Minimum Wage and Workers' Rights
· A recent poll by Hart Research Associates found that 75 percent of Americans (including 53 percent of Republicans) support an increase in the federal minimum wage to $12.50 by 2020. Sixty-three percent of Americans support an even greater increase in the minimum wage to $15.00 by 2020.

· Eighty percent of Americans favor requiring employers to offer paid leave to parents of new children and employees caring for sick family members. Even more (85 percent) favor requiring employers to offer paid leave to employees who are ill.

· A significant majority of Americans support the right of workers to unionize, despite several decades of corporate-sponsored anti-union propaganda. Eighty-two percent believe that factory and manufacturing workers should have the right to unionize. A vast majority support the right to unionize for transportation workers (74 percent), police and firefighters (72 percent), public school teachers (71 percent), workers in supermarkets and retail sales (68 percent), and fast food workers (62 percent).

Health Care and Social Security
· Over 50 percent of Americans (including one-quarter of Republicans and nearly 80 percent of Democrats) say they support a single-payer "Medicare for All" approach to health insurance, something Sanders has long advocated. Only 36 percent oppose the idea. 12 percent are neutral.

· Seventy-one percent Americans support a public option, which would give individuals the choice of buying healthcare through Medicare or private insurers. This was part of Obama’s original health care plan but the insurance industry lobby killed it, thanks to every Senate Republican and a handful of Senate Democrats, led by Senator Max Baucus of Montana.

· The Gallup poll found that 67 percent of Americans want to lift the income cap on Social Security to require higher-income workers to pay Social Security taxes on all of their wages. Most people still don’t realize that workers who earn more than $118,500 a year don’t contribute on their full income and that simply removing that tax loophole for high earners would close the lion’s share of Social Security’s modest long-term funding gap. Legislation introduced by Senator Sanders and Represenative Peter DeFazio of Oregon would apply the same payroll tax already paid by more than nine out of 10 Americans to those with incomes over $250,000 a year. Census Bureau data shows that only about 5 percent (1 in 18) of workers would pay more if the cap were scrapped, and only the top 1.4 percent (one in 71 workers) would be affected if the tax were applied to earnings over $250,000.

Higher Education
· More than three-quarters (79 percent) of Americans think that education beyond high school is not affordable for everyone in the U.S. who needs it. Seventy-seven percent believe that higher education institutions should reduce tuition and fees, while 59 percent and 55 percent respectively agree that state governments and the federal government should provide more assistance. The average tuition bill for students at a public four-year college has increased by more than 250 percent over the past three decades. More than one-third (35 percent) of 2000-2014 college graduates report graduating with more than $25,000 in undergraduate student loan debt, in inflation-adjusted dollars. The recently graduated college class of 2015 has an average debt burden of $35,051 per student, the highest ever. Sanders introduced legislation to make four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free, paid for through a tax on Wall Street transactions.

Same-Sex Marriage
· Today, 60 percent of Americans believe it should be legal for gay and lesbian couples to marry, according to Gallup, a figure that is likely to increase following the Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage. But in 1996, only 27 percent felt that way. That year, then-Congressman Sanders was one of only 67 House members to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition of gay marriages.

America seems to be holding its breath, trying to decide what kind of country it wants to be. We seem to be at one of those crossroads moments when attitudes are rapidly shifting and significant reform is possible.



http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/more-and-more-americans-agree-bernie-sanders-and-not-just-those-who-identify-left



Furthermore if one takes in to account the FBI investigation, Hillary hasn't even been totally vetted yet.

Should Hillary "pivot to the right" as she seems most eager to do, this will not help her cause either with disenchanted leftists nor people that simply don't trust her.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. Good grief--why not just hand me pages of campaign literature?
Fri May 20, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

Alternet is in the tank for Sanders.

You go on and IGNORE what the voters of WVa were saying and doing--if you think they were an anomaly, you might want to think again.

Trump voters boost Sanders in West Virginia
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-voters-boost-sanders-west-virginia

West Virginia, like other Southern and Appalachian states, is at the tail end of a long transition away from Democratic Party, which once ruled the South, to the GOP, the natural ideological home of its conservative voters.
Democratic voters still technically outnumber Republicans nearly two-to-one in the Mountain State, even though it hasn’t voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in 20 years, and isn’t likely to again for the foreseeable future.

Just over half – 51 percent – of West Virginia voters are registered Democrats, while just 29 percent are registered Republicans, according to data released by the secretary of state’s office. Another 17.6 percent of voters are independents.

Many of those Democrats, however, behave like Republicans, which helps explain why Donald Trump voters played a key role in putting Sanders over the top Tuesday.

A third of those who voted in West Virginia’s Democratic primary say they plan to back Trump in November, according to NBC News exit polls. Sanders won those voters by a wide margin.


You're whistling past the graveyard, here. Sanders has lost the nomination. It's all over save the pivot and graceful concession, which, if he wants to be a player on the national scene in future, he'll deliver in reasonable short order.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
38. Their sources were Gallup and Pew and you're wrong Hillary hasn't won the nomination.
Fri May 20, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

That won't happen until and unless she gets enough pledged delegates or the convention when the super-delegates will actually vote.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. You do realize George Gallup's organization is to the right of Attila the Hun?
Fri May 20, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

Of course they're going to shop that meme! They were the same idiots who said "Romney's got it! He's gonna DEPOSE that black man in the White House!!"

How did that work out for 'em?

Super delegates are going to stick with Hillary. She did more for them in her eight years in the Senate than Sanders has done for them in over a quarter century on the Hill. You dance with the one what brung ya.

There's absolutely zero motivation to flip to the losing candidate. He's truculent, his supporters have a tendency to disrupt to the edges of rioting when they don't get their way, and he's an expert at articulating problems but not such a whizkid at offering solutions.


And he's not going to be the nominee. It's OVER.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
17. I agree, that is one of the best episodes actually covering the dynamics and issues
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:38 PM
May 2016

of Bernie, his movement; which is rooted in the highest ideals of what the Democratic Party used to stand for along with the cynical manipulations of Schultz's DNC.



Bernie is a serious candidate actually speaking to the critical issues affecting the American People and in one form or another the Democratic Party has unfairly screwed him and his supporters over repeatedly throughout this campaign.

Thanks for the thread, DianaForRussFeingold.

vanlassie

(5,676 posts)
19. Those guys act like they just discovered Bernie yesterday.
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

FFS. "Look at those crowds!" Pleeeze. Those crowds are nothing NEW. Way to little too late. They were in on the fix.

AmBlue

(3,111 posts)
31. Wow... I'm speechless!!
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

They really stepped outside the box with that segment! If only Bernie had been receiving that kind of coverage all along. Mika has highlighted Bernie here and there, but what I think is happening now is the DNC is pissing off a lot of people. Politically savvy media see what the party is doing to Bernie and it is patently and grossly unfair. To Bernie and to We, The People, who he is working so hard for.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. And then....there's this....
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016
Morning Blow: How Joe and Mika Became Trump's Lapdogs

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski should be herded into a rocket and shot into space for their brown-nosing of Trump

By Matt Taibbi February 23, 2016


Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/morning-blow-how-joe-and-mika-became-trumps-lapdogs-20160223#ixzz49EKUxwBa
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