#NinaTurner Explains What Really Happened in #NV Last Weekend!

[thomhartmann]

[stonecutter357]

1. woo woo !

[Bohemianwriter]

7. Everybody knows how MSNBC...

is in the pocket of the Hilary camp. Creating a storm in a tea cup, ignoring the active voter suppression, trying to make the disenfranchised look like the meanies.

MSNBC is getting closer to FOX by the day when it comes to journalistic integrity.

Voter suppression and denying legal delegates their democratic right is a form of violence.

When DNC is turning up heavioly guarded by state policem surrounding the podium as if it was a convention for a dictator, something is wrong.

It's like saying "we are goinhg to cut you out of the democratic process,m and will use violence if you protest!"

This is faux poutrage from thin skinned Hilary supporters too bolind to see her corrupt nature, and how low the DNC has sunk.

The same tactics was used by republicans during the Iraq war. Anyone daring to criticise the war was subject to personhaol attacks by a collective corporate media in the bag for war criminals,.¨
Here, they go after the supporters rather than focus on what is really going on.

The same station once suspended Keith Olbermann for not discosing a campaign donation. Now, you have CORPdems openkly showing their cronyism, using the most worn out ad hominem attacks on the only clean candidate since Carter while making their super predator career power monger look like some defenseless victim without a knigyht in shining armour to save her from thye meanie efties she don't give a tuss about (she woos Bush donors rather than reaching out to Bernie supporters)...

I find it bizarre that people find it more offensive to show the consequences of recorded politics than the trail of dead bodies and runied lives the Clintons have eft behind and want to do a repeat of.

It's like sending troops to a country with brown people to kill them, and then deny the same troops to talk about it when they come home.

How is Hillary on women's and gay rights in Saudi Arabia by the way?
Any progress after taking ten million dollars from the Wahabbi royalties?

[Gary 50]

16. Did Tamron cover every Hillary Clinton talking point?

Did she miss any slander of Bernie and his supporters? Will she or any of her colleagues apologize for repeating the lie that chairs were thrown and violence took place by Bernie's supporters? Nope. Will she report that Bernie's people were screwed by the party for the thousandth time and admit they have genuine grievances? Nope. But she will repeat, ad nauseam, that Bernie has lost and should get out of the race because he is harming the anointed one.

[EndElectoral]

18. Why didn't MSNBC bring Turner onto the show since she was actually there for eight hours?

[A Simple Game]

19. What a hatchet job, that interviewer should be ashamed of herself. She didn't want truth

she wanted to trip up the interviewee.

[JDPriestly]

23. Tamron, MSNBC, Hillary and crew are afraid to let California vote.

That's the sum total of the facts.


Hillary is scared to her bones about the California primary because it is going to show just how weak she is.

Nevada was a put-up job to frustrate Bernie supporters.

Hillary wielded her power and in so doing may have lost Bernie voters for November for sure.

The Nevada convention was purposely organized to silence Bernie's supporters.

Apparently Hillary thinks she does not need us for November.

[senz]

33. California must be on guard against vote theft, registration flips, etc.

I hope the Bernie people will be extra vigilant because there is so much at stake. So much.

Every single part of the voting and vote count process must be zealously protected in California.

[Vote2016]

2. kick & rec #5

[Enthusiast]

3. Kicked and recommended! nt

[zentrum]

4. At this point...

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....if HRC/DNC don't start making unity a two way street as Nina Turner says---they are foolishly turning off the very voters they will need in November.

I'm a woman for Bernie and every woman in my family supports him as well, through several generations, but I and they are getting more and more furious at the way HRC/DWS are running her campaign.

They are recreating 1968 all over again and will get the results that 1968 produced for the Dems.

Both DWS and HRC are terrible politicians, more guided by hubris and ambition, than any understanding of how people are actually feeling and doing in their lives.

It was not HRC's turn. She had and lost her turn to the better candidate in 08. Her relentless quest for power is harming us all.

Thank you Thom and Nina for saying so clearly what we're all feeling and perceiving.

[Kittycat]

8. Agreed. Thank you

[pangaia]

11. Here's the money line... again--

"Both DWS and HRC are terrible politicians, more guided by hubris and ambition, than any understanding of how people are actually feeling and doing in their lives.

It was not HRC's turn. She had and lost her turn to the better candidate in 08. Her relentless quest for power is harming us all."


Bold is mine...

[MidwestTech]

14. Actually they're great politicians

people on the other hand .....
I spent the last 20 years defending the Clintons from the right, and im starting to get tired of it.
The right goes after HRC over bullshit items... but damned if they aren't starting to pile up lately.
and I don't mean the BS from the right, i always disregard that, but it's the stuff from the left that's harder to ignore.
her history in the senate, and as SoS

the way she's run her campaign, treating Bernie like an insignificant annoyance. the way dws has run the primary, assuming it was ONLY HRC running and everyone else was 3rd party.

I may even understand that with Bernie, but Martin O'Malley was a valid Democrat and he was treated as less than even Bernie!

Say what you want about the thugs, and there's plenty, they DO at least give reasonably equal time to their initial run of candidates. Ironic that the party of fascists is MORE democratic than the party that calls itself the democrats.

[beerandjesus]

5. If Hillary is such a great candidate, why do they have to resort to this bullshit?

It boggles the mind.



I can't wait to be blamed for President Trump come the fall.

[pangaia]

12. We are already being prepped for the blame.

They are laying the groundwork for is it happens...

[zentrum]

21. Hi pangia.

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I've felt that way too—that they're setting up the narrative against Bernie and us, in case she loses in the general. And some scary polls today make that look like a possibility.

But here's the thing. During the general, I know that Bernie will support her. He'll encourage every one to vote for Democrats. Up and down ticket.

He's already said he'll be damned if he lets the working people in this country be hurt even more by Republicans.

So, at that point the DWS/HRC narrative of blame falls apart.

In fact, Bernie is an enormous boon to HRC. The reason is that since he's trying to hang in until the convention—he'll get a better platform for us. He'll fight like hell to make it more progressive. Much to the Democrats chagrin, but it will actually make her more electable in the general.

HRC supporters on this site and elsewhere, are very foolish to not see that. It's Bernie in the end who will make her more electable for the very reason that she'll have his support. And his influence will be in the platform she has to run on.

Because on her own, she doesn't have a bone in her body that has real convictions.

After the election, all bets are off and she'll go right—but in the general Bernie's influence in the convention, is an asset.

[Else You Are Mad]

27. They are already doing it.

Look at how they say how he is 'harming Hillary' by staying in the race -- like it is Bernie's fault that people don't agree fully with her stances.

If you listen to the Hillary surrogates & supporters, it isn't her job to convince the voters she has the better platform and is a better candidate, but it is the responsibility of her Democratic detractors to not point out her flaws.

[freebrew]

32. HRC will have no one to blame but herself...

she has as much told the 'left' that she doesn't want their votes.

As for me, I have never voted Repub.
If I wanted to vote Republican, I would vote on the R side of the ballot.

[senz]

34. They're already talking that way here on DU.

They have been so verbally assaultive, so insulting, ridiculing and dishonest for such a long time, that I no longer care what they do to us. The only thing that matters to me, at this point, is what's good for the country. I do not see a happy outcome with either Trump or Hillary.

I dearly hope we can get Bernie elected.

[pangaia]

6. Here's the money line....

"Both DWS and HRC are terrible politicians, more guided by hubris and ambition, than any understanding of how people are actually feeling and doing in their lives.

It was not HRC's turn. She had and lost her turn to the better candidate in 08. Her relentless quest for power is harming us all."


Bold is mine...

[surrealAmerican]

9. Thanks, pangaia.

There's something about seeing those in print that takes them to another level.

[pangaia]

10. You know what, I meant to reply to zentrum.. LOL!!

But,,, all worked out anyway..
think I will re-reply to him her also...

[zeemike]

13. And I second that bold.

They have convinced themselves that they can steam roll right over people and win.
They have power fantasies.

[pangaia]

15. She is not alone, of course.

It is everywhere, even in my small town politics... Somebody running for, I think it was the board of supervisors.. Exact same behavior.. I mean to be on the board of supers in a town of 20,000..
Give me a break. :&gt )))


THIS is one of the biggest things that makes Sanders so different.

But, many can not, or WILL not see it.. For whatever reason... can't see the tree for the forest, HER turn, woman president, or actually DO support her positions, whatever....

[zeemike]

26. I think they have studied Machiavelli.

And see the path to power in politics...even in a small town.

And I think most of them will not see it...it destroys the illusion that was created for them.

[EndElectoral]

17. Thanks for posting this. Everyone should watch it including DWS.

I feel I've a better perception now of what happened in that room since Ms. Turner was there for eight hours.

[Yallow]

20. MSNBC / Clinton Inc.

And they wonder why people who want our completely corrupt government fixed are pissed.

Let's go promise Wall Street some more favors, and shake them down for a few more million!!!

Sounds Great!

[Cary]

22. Here is my problem

Negativity.

I'm sick and tired of it.

I love Joy Reid too, by the way. She's awesome.

[TryLogic]

24. Hey Bernie supporters, work out a deal with reasonable Republicans for both parties to

to run two candidates. Trump versus some Republican versus Hillary versus Bernie. Four strong candidates. Or, even a third party. Hillary and Trump are the two worst candidates I have seen in my lifetime (I'm 72).

[pnwmom]

25. The non-partisan fact checker Politifact explained what really happened in NV.

But you have to be able to read to know what they said.


http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

[LovingA2andMI]

28. And The Lies from Nevada Continue to Be Exposed.... MUST READ ARTICLE by Counterpunch!

Jon Ralston, the dean of political reporting in Nevada, has spread nothing less than a pack of lies about what went down at the state’s Democratic convention on Saturday. And the fact averse oligarchic national media has run completely riot with the provable falsehoods. No chairs were thrown at the convention Saturday. No death threats were made against the chair of the convention Roberta Lange. And Bernie Sanders delegates were not simply mad because their louder shouting was ignored.

Ralston has been the culprit behind each of these falsehoods; and the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, and a dizzying array of other outlets have swallowed them whole then regurgitated them for their much more massive audiences.

While as late as 2012 Ralston could be counted on as someone with a known Liberal establishment bias who would nevertheless stand firm where it came to truth and journalistic integrity, his ethics began to slip in the years since. (And let’s be clear, refusing to write for an outlet anymore that pulled a column unfavorable to Harry Reid is honorable; waiting over two years to reveal that fact is a bit dastardly.)

Here are the details of the lies originating or spread by Ralston, followed by how they spread among the chattering elite who attempt to pass themselves off as unbiased media:

Ralston reported live from the convention for most of the day, but decided to leave before tensions boiled over. Nevertheless, it was taken as a simple fact that he had observed Sanders supporters throwing chairs when “Roberta’s Rules” were enforced with finality at the end of the proceedings.

As it turned out, Ralston finally admitted last night that he hadn’t seen this himself but was relying especially on local reporter Andrew Davey. Davey first said he had still frames showing the chair throwing which he would publish. He has not produced the stills in question, but did retweet a still image of a chair held high that was initially posted on Reddit. I spoke with the person who posted it to Reddit and confirmed that it was grabbed from the video now widely seen which shows that other Sanders supporters quickly took away the chair in question. I asked Davey by Twitter if he still had photos to publish, then criticized him for retweeting the Reddit image instead. He blocked me.

READ MORE from Counterpunch Here: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-reporters-pack-of-lies-ran-riot-in-the-fact-averse-media/

Also, this tweet is from SATURDAY, May 14 around 8:13 pm ET -- Screenshot by us at Independent Underground Radio LIVE by Jon Ralston, showing his clear bias and intent to start the "train" of blaming Bernie Delegates only --- over any facts --- for what happened in Vegas last Saturday.



Jon Ralston should be called out for this type of Ratf***ing type of reporting. It is flat out disgusting and sad for a so-called "Journalist".

[Fast Walker 52]

30. Cenk went after him too. Ralston really showed his cards.

[Fast Walker 52]

29. love her.

thanks for posting

[Duval]

31. Thank you, thomhartmann!

MSNBC as well as other channels for news cannot be trusted. We appreciate your setting the record straight. We are fed up with this Trump nonsense, also, on that channel. Now perhaps we can put this entire fiasco in the correct perspective.

[senz]

35. Nevada was a coordinated assault on the Bernie campaign through its supporters.

The actions on the part of the party chair was shocking and blatantly unfair, designed to elicit an angry response from the delegates who had suddenly been shut out of the voting. The "violence " story was all ready to go; the MSM picked it up and ran with it without ANY proof. As Thom noted, it was a BIG media deal right before the two following primaries and now that there's no upcoming primary for awhile, it has died down.

What the Hillary campaign hadn't counted on is all the video recordings of the events, none of which show violence. The only "chair" incident was one individual picking up a chair and then putting it down when someone came up to him to hug him.

It was a Brock-style campaign stunt and needs to be exposed.

[pangaia]

36. The Clinton campaign big wigs even had the balls to announce

several week ago that, basically being fed up with Sanders not riding off into the sunset, they were going to pull out all the stops, no holds barred, take no quarter, however one wants to put it.

Well here is one time Clinton told the truth.

[senz]

37. That's right. This was a step into scorched earth territory.

We need to turn it against them and TPTB need to sit up and smell the power-hungry desperation for the insanity that it is.

[Festivito]

38. That and someone lifted a chair and handed it to someone else. Media calls it: chairs thrown. Arrgh!

The media is RW and support Hillary over Bernie to the point of flagrant misrepresentations. They'll turn on her later for someone even more RW, i.e. honoring the inheritor class of rich .01% over Hillary's honoring the top 10% which is far better for the rich than Bernie's honoring 98% of us -- leaving about 2% for incorrigibles.