Roberta Lange Illegally Ends Nevada Convention #nvdemconvention

[whirlygigspin]

this about sums it up

[NewImproved Deal]

1. This is what Fascism looks like...

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[dreamnightwind]

2. Great image! Related to this oldie but goodie

[MariaThinks]

54. this is what i heard about Gore and Bush. Anyone who believes they were the same

isn't thinking

[NewImproved Deal]

55. This Bush? One big happy Oligarchy...

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[MariaThinks]

56. seriously? guilt by association? what word didn't you understand in my original post?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

76. You have to understand most of them are new to this, which explains the black and white

approach.

They simply dont understand that politics has ALWAYS been the lesser of two evils, with very few exceptions, like JFK or FDR

[Silver_Witch]

3. If you can't handle the heat - get out of the kitchen

Apparently the leadership can't handle the need for change in the party.

And this is what corporatism looks like.

[Betty Karlson]

39. fascism: when corporatism, militarism, and heterosexism team up.

Racism is "optional, but strongly recommended".

[jalan48]

4. She threw down her gavel and off she stomped! What a fool.

[840high]

25. Get rid of her.

[jwirr]

67. Nice idea but the delegates have probably already reelected

all their committee members at earlier conventions. Slates selected by a couple Clinton supporters with no opposition and elected by voice vote.

That is what we did. I was very upset when I realized who exactly was running the show.

[progressoid]

5. I echo the sentiment in the video.

"What the fuck?"

[roguevalley]

6. what happens now?

[0rganism]

57. WTF indeed, but on the upside it looks like they had some nice rugs there

come for the convention, stay for the carpets honestly i don't know why i notice these things

[CreekDog]

7. Illegally? What law?

be specific now.

[JonLeibowitz]

9. I believe "against the Robert's rules of order" is meant.

[CreekDog]

10. Robert's rules of order is the law?

tell me more, this is good...

[JonLeibowitz]

13. I did not make that claim.

[JDPriestly]

20. Using Robert's rules of order is a good way to make sure that your

procedures are above reproach and heal divisions in a group. They insure fairness to all in meetings.

The refusal to use Robert's Rules of Order was like a smack in the face to Bernie supporters. Robert's Rules of Order are a neutral set of rules to use.

The Nevada convention was ruled by Hillary's Supporters' Rules -- not a smart move unless Hillary's supporters are trying to get the Bernie or Bust voters to stay home in November. Apparently Hillary thinks her poll numbers are good enough without Bernie voters who she can insult and offend them all she wants.

I disagree on that point. She needs to make a rapprochement with Bernie voters if she wants to win in November.

Bernie supporters exist in part because a good portion of Democrats and Independents do not like the Clintons and especially don't like Hillary. This does not show up in polls of Democratic voters to be as strong a dislike as it is. The polling questions are not good at determining in-depth the attitudes of the voters in a situation like that of the Democratic Party now.

[99th_Monkey]

22. Robert's Rules are indeed the law, if it says so in the organization's charter. nt

[CreekDog]

30. they are not Nevada State Law

the procedure used to end a meeting is not subject to criminal penalties unless the action itself violated some city, state or federal code, and no, the way in which one votes to end the meeting is in no way illegal.



get it right.

[99th_Monkey]

32. When any organization violates its own charter (its legal basis for existence)

it delegitimizes itself. You may be correct that it's not technically "criminal",
but I'm not even certain of that.

What I am more certain of is that civil proceedings in a court of law may be
in order for arbitrarily suspending (i.e. violating) the very rules that -- by law -- the
organization lays claims to its own legitimacy.

[AllyCat]

58. ^^^This

[Gore1FL]

47. "But it's Legal!" Is a low standard to adhere to.

I prefer better when it comes to my government and the mechanism by which that government is elected.

[dorkzilla]

62. I mean fucking seriously now...

I can't believe any Democrat condoning this shit, but then again I do not recognize the party I've belonged to for 32 years at all anymore.

[AlbertCat]

70. "But it's Legal!" Is a low standard to adhere to.

"Ethics" are sooooooo out of fashion.

The ends justify the means....doncha know.

[jwirr]

68. At the beginning of the latest convention I attended we voted

to use Robert's Rules of Order and it passed. In NV the chair overturned that idea and forced a voice vote to get her own rules. No only that but in any convention where the opposition is very equal a voice vote should never be used.

[SCantiGOP]

74. If what she did was illegal

Then I presume she will be arrested. Otherwise, the title of the post is dishonest bullshit.

[Old Crow]

8. LOL!

This is what it looks like when a broken political system that no longer represents the people, and can no longer fool the people, is REJECTED by the people.

The sham that is American democracy is starting to fall apart. Let us all pause and say "boo-hoo."

[Feeling the Bern]

11. The terrorists won. We're a terrified group of people who gave up our liberty

and now are giving up are "freedoms."

The terrorists did their job well. Face it. . .the United States of America that we're supposed to be is completely dead.

We are now the United States of Corporate Fascism.

[Old Crow]

14. I agree with much of what you're saying.

In terms of the corporatocracy we've become, however, I'd say it predates the 9/11 attacks with the creation of The Third Way during Bill Clinton's presidency. Once the Democratic party leaders decided to join the Republicans in abandoning the middle class and getting into bed with Big Business, this democracy became nothing but a hollow shell.

The terrorists then accelerated a lot of ugly neo-fascist trends, no doubt. But the creation of the corporatocracy was the doing of our own greedy elected officials.

[Peace Patriot]

17. You are right, Old Crow!

And to think I voted for him twice! The scales have fallen from my eyes!

Old Peace

[dorkzilla]

63. Same here nt

[Duval]

64. Two here agree. nt

[CreekDog]

16. The idiots won if people think Robert's Rules is the law

[reformist2]

33. Yeah, don't they know that Roberta's rules were in effect???

[CreekDog]

42. It wouldn't matter if Morty's Rules of order were used, it's not a legal issue

The state of Nevada does not have any law that would govern the rules of adjounment at a political party meeting.

Period. End of story. Stop enabling ignorance.

[Mark 750]

44. Definition of legal - one that conforms to rules or the law

With remaining Sanders supporters vastly outnumbering Hillary supporters at around 11:00pm, the voice vote against the motion to adjourn by Sanders supporters was overwhelmingly against the motion. Lange again refused to acknowledge the correct voice vote results and declared her motion to adjourn to have passed. She immediately fled the stage, and moments later police flooded the convention floor to remove remaining convention attendees.

[Duval]

65. Lange needs to go! nt

[jwirr]

69. When the convention makes it their rules for procedure then

it is the law of that convention. Not one but you is trying to say anything else.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, whirlygigspin.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

15. what happened in Vegas - from someone who was there

This is a must read.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ALLEGATIONS OF GROSS CORRUPTION NEARLY CAUSE A RIOT AT THE NEVADA STATE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION
Las Vegas, NV – The day after a Nevada judge ruled that there was no cause for a court to interfere in the affairs of the Nevada State Democratic Party, State Party Chair Roberta Lange had to flee the State Democratic Convention after her mismanagement of the convention caused a near riot.
Delegates from the convention reported instances in which Lange repeatedly ignored petitions, motions from the floor, and even appeared to rule against the clear majority in multiple voice votes, leading to a convention full of enraged and shocked delegates.

...more at this link please read and share

https://www.facebook.com/bruceleah/posts/10154184605884133

[passiveporcupine]

79. this is unbelievable and unconscionable

[Yallow]

18. They..... Don't..... Care.............

They hold the levers of power.

It's up to you to pay the bills (straight to them).

[AzDar]

19. K & R

[BlueMTexpat]

24. +1! eom

[northernsouthern]

28. Wow, hateful sexist post!

Whiny bernie-bros think screaming turns a minority of votes into a majority

Way to show your hand, good to know you love corruption. Too bad you lie in your post as they had the majority, and the HRC crew started before many Bernie crew had gotten in and they blocked 64 or so of the Bernie crew.

Had to include this line in case you tried to change it or your post got hidden, but it is full of hate and irony as the HRC crew were actually subverting the rules...but hey nice try, and good to know you are proud of being sexist and spouting hate.

Crappy non-Democratic asswipes, need to understand you don't get to subvert democracy and hijack the Democratic party by screaming and booing.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[PATRICK]

31. I'll post this again

So whatever the merits of who did wrong and was wronged- I wasn't there- NOW can you imagine the June Convention as a Democratic party unity fest??? The issues, the ideology split is much deeper than a two Democratic candidate personality contest. It could make Nevada look like the summer of love by comparison. As of now it is impossible to even talk about this because no time can be allowed for the Sanders message to emerge and be more of a threat than it already is- although it is too late to deny it. Sanders will have close to half the Convention delegates and some very nervous party leaders who by now at least are looking for alternatives to Gloriana.

Some people, like myself who may be an extremist I suppose because at my age I have nothing to lose except my progeny and all future human generations, think our lives depend on getting our government right.

As of now we have the TPP, a goddawful GOP corporatist SCOTUS nominee, an environmental bill that doubles down on hydrocarbons(countless millions to find ways to get at frozen methane in the tundra!) and wars and Smaug style plutocrats and endless, tough minded warring stupidity on a cosmic order of pure shame.

I should think a few frayed nerves and outrage should surface somewhere before we just give up.

[homegirl]

43. I saw these

techniques employed by the powers in my county Democratic Central Committee. So bad I even sued one of the ringleaders in Small Claims Court. Lost, but I decided that level of politics was not for me.

Our political system is completely corrupt, both sides!

[LiberalFighter]

36. Time and time again there are some that think they know it all.

The chair knew what she was doing and was on solid ground with the help of the (male) parliamentarian. There were some trying to use the man talking to her on stage against her but he was the parliamentarian.

It is amazing how those Sanders' supporters subverted Roberts Rules in trying to make it work for them. What they also didn't know were the rules for the convention. There are key components that helped them determine how to respond. One of those is the credentials committee in this instance. They had the breakdown of the Clinton and Sanders delegates. With that they knew the louder voices did not necessarily mean the majority. Those that thought that were neophytes.

It was like the Sanders' people were the boy that shouted wolf.

[Mark 750]

41. Sorry, some wrong assumptions...

First of all, the breakdown of the delegates were just preliminary, changing all the time as people were still registering and coming into the convention when they did this voice vote.

Second, there is an assumption that all Hillary delegates would vote one way and the Bernie delegates the other way. You just can't do that.

Third, a delegate has to be there, on the floor to vote. You assume they all are. Many delegates wander out to the restrooms, or go grab something to eat.

By your reasoning, no voting would be needed, as all they would have to do would be to reference the delegate count.

I was there.

[Norrin Radd]

23. Some animals

are more equal than others.

[dchill]

26. K&R!

[captainarizona]

27. I am voting for a strong woman in november

Jill Stien green party! A clinton supporters said to me what about the supreme court? I answered what about it. You should of thought about the supreme court before for you voted for clinton!

[northernsouthern]

29. Lol.

I am sure she is going to get a massive bump from the HRC crew's actions.

[beerandjesus]

34. Nice seeing Father Ted in yer sig line!

ALWAYS good for a laff out of me.... the "perfectly square-shaped spot of dirt on the window" is legendary in my household!

[Dustlawyer]

35. I knew things were rigged in this election, but in this instance they really blew it!

The rigging is supposed to be BEHIND THE SCENES!

[66 dmhlt]

37. Gonna have to flush twice to get rid of this load of BS!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

38. Wow. So Democratic...

[Enthusiast]

40. Kicked and recommended! They're just trying to boost voter enthusiasm.

[jane123]

45. All this process served to do was give the Clinton campaign a short-term victory

and a long term loss in November if she becomes the democratic nominee. If anyone believes for a minute that this steamroll job by the Nevada democratic party and the DNC will be forgotten....think again....Obama won Nevada in 2008....Hillary will lose Nevada in 2016 IF she is the nominee....so great job Nevada democratic party!, great job Hillary campaign!, great job DNC! Keep on steamrolling, minimizing and ridiculing the very people you will need to win Nevada in the fall...

and if you don't think that Bernie's democratic supporters and independents aren't paying attention to this, think again because this Nevada circus has hit prime time and will impact the general across the country. I am hearing from many reluctant Hillary voters whose minds have been made up to not vote for her because of it....so, again, great job!

[beastie boy]

46. I hope Bernie supporters go to court over this - and get thrown out again.

C'mon, folks, how long will you keep whining before you learn your lesson? You don't change the rules in the middle of the fight just because you are losing.

If you don't like something, try to get off your butts and change things BEFORE they begin to negatively affect you. This way, if the changes you wanted affect you negatively, there is no one to blame but yourselves.

...Oh, and you have to meet the deadline to register as a Democrat to have any chance of changing things at a Democratic convention. Duh.

[Gore1FL]

48. You want to fill the legal system with things you believe will be thrown out? Really?

What other parts of the government do you want to waste time and money for your own personal war on Sander's supporters?

[Eko]

49. One thing will hardly

fill the legal system up and I think you are misconstruing the point.

[Gore1FL]

50. One thing today, how many tomorrow?

The point is the poster thinks it would be cool to exact revenge on those complaining by wasting their time and effort. If it eats away other useful resources, it's worth the fun of making other people suffer! Yay!

[Eko]

80. I dont get how

people freely choosing to go to court is in any way the result of beastie boy's actions let alone him exacting revenge.

[Gore1FL]

82. He wants them to go and fail becasue he thinks it wil be hurtful to them.

Based on the words and tone of the post, he seems to think that this waste of resources awesome source of vindictiveness for him, and he endorses it.

He posted it. He should own it.

[beastie boy]

52. I want nothing. I don't care for Bernie supporters either way.

But I hope you learn your lessons sooner or later. In fact, if you noticed, I am urging you to get off your butts and do something BEFORE going into fits of righteous indignation every time you find yourselves outmaneuvered.

For your sake. Because you look like bigger fools with each shout of "rigged!" in response to Bernie's losses.

[Gore1FL]

59. Your post implied you wished ill on people regardless of the cost.

Perhaps you should post more clearly in the future.

[beastie boy]

60. That's what you read into my post, not what I wrote, obviously.

Reflects more on you than me.

[Gore1FL]

61. You should re-read it

Perhaps proofread for tone. That way, in the future, you wont come off so poorly.

[yourpaljoey]

51. Wow... that is over-the-top... even for the Over the Hill Gang. Pricless video.

[ChiciB1]

53. I Have Yet To UNDERSTAND WHY This Is Allowed Go On, But

what's even worse is that IF ANYONE PROTESTS they are immediately made out to be some small group of agitators who act like two-year olds because they didn't get their way!

People are fighting against what they PERCEIVE OR ACTUALLY SEE wrong doing! Somehow this is no longer allowed in this country! How we can still ourselves a Democracy is beyond my comprehension! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

[Mark 750]

71. Old tricks

Agitate the targeted group, when they fight back, label them as agitators. Then create the meme. Time honored manipulation.

I wonder where the Bernie bros really came from; or that mainly the young and uniformed are Bernie backers or Bernie supporters are sexist, or Bernie people are really Trump people. There is much at stake here. I mean a real, real a lot at stake here. The Ivory tower beings are masters of this. They will not relinquish their power. Please keep a close eye on these trends.

[ChiciB1]

75. Well, Those Of Us Who ARE Informed & KNOW What Has Been Done

by our VERY OWN Democratic Party are only becoming more agitated AND determined as they continually paint us with such a humongous BROAD BRUSH!

As each day passes and I keep witnessing these actions it only confirms my belief that for so long the Democrats we thought were "for the people" for so long... ACTUALLY AREN'T!

I'm an activist from way back during Viet Nam and now feel I should be BANISHED because I can't agree OR go along with this type of "democratic process" which really isn't all that DEMOCRATIC! It STINKS and I'm more FED UP now than I ever was!!!

[a2liberal]

66. Not at all surprising

After what I've seen at the local MDP conventions and the national convention (esp. 2012), these shenanigans don't surprise me in the least

see here for details: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280128450#post59

[magical thyme]

72. Well, she started it unfairly when she held a vote at 9:30am

while many delegates were locked out because the facility ran out of parking spaces and didn't bother to post any signs to that effect, so they spent an hour+ driving around trying to find a place to park.

And then ignored the calls for a recount due to the above, and also ignored the nays, instead unilaterally approving that "temporary rules" become the new rules that made her essentially a dictator for the proceedings.

A farce from beginning to end. And Boxer's talk was just....bizarro world.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

73. Not illegal... Immoral

Immoral people people will often support people like themselves. It's a birds of a feather thing...

[hsergott]

77. READ!!!

Can anyone read Wikipedia and see exactly how the convention and caucus in Nevada works....primaries are not democracy...open, closed, caucus...first in the country...bull shit for publicity....a waste of money....thirty years ago...very few primaries if any...new invention for the media and tourist bureaus of states get over it. "The back room smoke filled rooms" still exist!!! this 72 year old poli-sci major laughs her head off at the "we are screwed" thoughts, grew up with the LBJ way of doing things...get over it....we fought that battle before most you of you were born...and the media won.

[alfredo]

78. So you don't register as a Dem before the deadline and

get your knickers in a knot because they say you can't be a Democratic delegate.

[pnwmom]

81. The event had only rented the space and the hotel was requiring the Dems to leave.

The police came because the protesters refused to leave after the hotel ordered them to vacate the premises.

So why is this Lange's fault?