Abby Martin Blasts Hillary on Foreign Policy

[DianaForRussFeingold]

Eisenhower warned us of the Military Industrial Complex...We don't need a Neocon-We need a leader with a passion for peace...
"Abby Martin on The Ring of Fire tells Farron Cousins why Hillary Clinton is a frightening presidential candidate when it comes to foreign policy."

[uhnope]

1. Abby who?

Oh that ridiculous joke of a news model that used to work for fascist state propaganda in Russia and now works for a propaganda station in South America?

[DianaForRussFeingold]

2. Journalist Abby Martin,The Ring of Fire- Are you disagreeing on content?

[uhnope]

3. the "content" argument is tired & bogus

with that argument, you could post vids from FOX, Alex Jones or even Stormfront.

Propaganda always has some true "content".

[DianaForRussFeingold]

5. Bernie's own words prove he's a leader with a passion for peace.

I am a worried Grandmother. I care and that's why I am voting for Bernie Sanders!
"We need a president with a proven record of fighting for peace. We can not continue on the path of wars for profit. Millions of lives are at stake."

"This Video Alone Is Why I am Voting for Bernie Sanders"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017370893

[wildbilln864]

11. thank you! n/t

[Enthusiast]

15. I thought it was a good post. nt

[wildbilln864]

16. and indeed it was! Truth hurts sometimes. n/t

[uhnope]

12. I actually did laugh out loud at yr reply

"Abby Martin is a true journalist." yeah you should take that show on the road.

And you think the refugees in Europe are totally the USA's fault, not fucking Assad bombing the hell out of his own people, not Putin bombing the Syrians into the stone age, not actually ISIS or the terrorists directly responsible, no they don't count... it's all HILLARY.

You are so stuck in your black and white world that you automatically think I'm an HRC supporter. You might want to sit down because this will shock your narrow world view: I'm a Sanders supporter. But people like you can't see any shade of grade, so you think if I'm calling out Abby Martin as a crackpot shill, it must mean I am a "paid troll" for the DNC.

It goes well with your self-important conspiratorial thinking that makes you think you're going to be "purged" from an obscure website forum. oh, the repression you endure!

My god... "gun owning church goers"! Supporting the coup in Honduras (a lie btw)... "let me know when your side"... omg & you say I'm projecting? You are just like a rabid FOX-watching RWNJ--divisive, finger-pointing, judgmental.

[Bohemianwriter]

13. So who caused the flood of refugees?

American made wars p0ushed by Hilary, or the muslims themselves?

USA has got no business in Syria anyway whered you arm both sides of the conflict.... You created ISIS with your criminal invasin if Iraq. And you seem to think that violence and bombs (as ikf you cared one ounce about the Syrian people) are better than humanitarian aide. You had no right in trying to oust Assad. What your country did was a crimina act against a soverign natin. And instead of helping a country in need after a drought, you saw it as an opportunity to start another war. Once again, promoted by Hillary Clinton and the rest of your neo-cons without consiences or human emotions.

There are two candidates on the democratic side stil fighting for the nomination., Onhly one of them proudly expclaimed "we came, we saw, he died"..The other one is for peace., And it's quite teling how you try t smear Abby Martin on anything but the content of what she said.

Apparently Hillary Clinton's inteligtence resources didn't tell her about Qadaffi's warming up to the west, and his meeting with Tony Blair about the consequences of taking him out.

Whenh you attack Abby Martin,l and reclusing yoursef fromj responsibility gfor the wars YOU have funded thye last 15 years, it only makes me presume you are a Hillary supporter.
Becausae _Hilary supporters are supporting wars, and going after real journaists on a persona level rather thyan content.

So come back when you have grown up and gotten somne rea arguments to serve rathe3r thyan empty American expceptionaist drivel. ¨

You have nothing but feces to come wi9th regardinhg Abby since you sem to be exacty wshat you accuse her of*: A crackpot shrill.

In other words, your side of CORPdems are sure loosers in any general election. i trust Abby 'Martin more than I trust you.

If you want peace in the ME, then get the hell out of there. And stop palllying around a wahabbi terrorist state as if they were beacons of human rights and democracy. USA are best friends with one of the worst dictatorsips i9nh the world demonising other, more liberal countries, destroying them with bulets, bombs and torture prisons.

Just a friendly advice to someone who claims to be in solidarity and think he knows anything about international affairs. Come bacvk and tak to me when you have grown up, and taken that two month long European trip....Or to South *America, or Asia. There was a time when American students could travel by car from Europe to India. You can't do that anymore. Why do you think that is?

[uhnope]

14. 1.Assad. 2.ISIS/Middle East terrorists. 3.Putin. 4.destabilization

your keyboard seems to be melting down, btw....
You keep saying things like this:

You had no right in trying to oust Assad.

(Nevermind that it's false...) I take it you don't mean me personally, so you must mean the USA. So where are you from, since you're bring nationality into it?

[Hortensis]

17. Oh, let's not forget global warming and

devastating depletion of fresh water. These are huge factors.

Bohemian, since we have been the single largest world polluter you can use these reasons to blame the U.S. for all world problems, including Syria. I wouldn't personally, but this social scientist is describing the attitude your post would seem to display if you were an American. Or, heck, just part of the West that many of its supposedly anguished far-lefters like to imagine has also caused all the world's problems. Poor, helpless, little faceless, mindless, weaponless, ambitionless, gutless, historyless nothingish, victim-peoples that they are.

"The main difference between the far right and the far left is that the far right hates everyone else and the far left hates itself."

[reorg]

18. Abby Martin is a journalistic treasure

and thanks to telesur she is at it again.

You may have already watched it, but here is her interview with professor Vijay Prashad on Syria (and related topics) - for the benefit of those who need more education:

[DianaForRussFeingold]

22. Thank You, Bohemianwriter

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This is important-I guess they just want us to put our heads in the sand and vote for her.. I posted a video below, from 2008, Keith and Rachel talk about Hillary Clinton's foreign policy. I miss Keith Olberman and I miss the way Rachel was!

[A Simple Game]

19. Content argument tired and bogus? No that would be changing one word and calling it an argument.

That word? Message and changing it to messenger. Never works and makes the poster look desperate and unable to put forth a valid argument.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

23. Thank You, A Simple Game!

I posted a video below, from 2008 with Keith and Rachel talking about Hillary's foreign policy. It's interesting. We still had Keith Olbermann back then.. Sure miss him.

[Peace Patriot]

4. She leaves out Honduras!

It's otherwise a fairly comprehensive list of why you should support Hillary Clinton if you love Neo-Con war. And it is damning! One other thing Martin leaves out, Clinton's weapons deal with the woman-hating Saudis, in what looks very like an exchange for a $10 million Saudi donation to the Clinton Foundation (which is mostly a slush fund for buying support for Clinton's campaign).

Pretty odd bedfellows: 'feminist' Clinton and the Saudi sheiks.

About Honduras: Clinton supported the fascist coup that destroyed Honduran democracy in June 2009, and that is cementing its power by assassinating lots of women, including, in March of this year, Berta Caceres, an indigenous woman and environmental and anti-coup activist (and winner of the Goldman Environmental Prize). Many women lead these movements in Honduras and are suffering a systematic program of rape, imprisonment and murder. Many gay leaders are also being targeted. Caceres fingered Clinton for her support of the coup, before Caceres herself was shot and killed.

THAT ALONE should disqualify Clinton from the Democratic nomination, and from the White House, unless we accede to the White House being Murder, Inc. I don't accede that. I will never accede to that. I want a president who doesn't go around killing innocent people, and killing alleged 'enemies' without benefit of trial, or supporting those who do in other countries because they've agreed to ravage their own people with "free trade for the rich"!

As for WOMEN supporting Hillary, all I can say is WAKE UP, SISTERS! I am not only a 50+ year member of the Democratic Party, I am a 71 year old woman who has been fighting for women's rights throughout my life. Sisters, you have bought into faux feminism. You have been fooled. You need to look into your hearts and ask yourselves about Berta Caceres. Do you support this? Clinton does! She actively supported the fascist coup d'etat, with political support and OUR tax money, and even to having the U.S. State Department run a phony election in Honduras, under martial, with many leftists being murdered, when no other elections group on earth would touch it. That's how much she supported it! And she admits her support of it in one of her damn emails!

I'm going to go back to this Abby Martin interview and transcribe the list she gives that condemns Clinton as an unregenerate war hawk. If you want another Neo-Con war in the Middle East, Clinton is your candidate.

And if you don't, and you live in California, Oregon or the other remaining Democratic Primary states, you have a chance to defeat Clinton. Bernie Sanders can win the nomination in the remaining states and don't let the Corrupt Media tell you otherwise. They are lying!

California will likely have ONE MILLION new voter registrations before the May 23 deadline--an unprecedented surge! We had 850,000 from January to March. This included a 150+% increase in young voters. Most of the new registrations are Democratic. And Oregon has had a similar amazing surge in new registrations. We can do it! We can give Sanders the nomination and send this war hawk back to private life where she can wallow in the half a billion dollars that Wall Street has given her for pocket change.

And Bernie Sanders will demolish Trump, as ALL match-up polls have been telling us since January, and are still telling us right now today.

The Corrupt Media and the Clinton campaign have been trying to drum it into peoples' heads that this primary is over. IT. IS. NOT. OVER.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

21. Very good post! Thank You, Peace Patriot!

I wish I could write like you! Maybe, Hillary will listen and not be so hawkish. That's what I'm hoping for. About the media-- People our age remember when the news was much better before media deregulation and "The Telecommunications Act of 1996", changed everything. Thanks,President Clinton.

I'm going to post to the Bernie Group. I miss Keith and the 2008 Rachel!

"4/17/08 On Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Keith and Rachel Maddow talk about Hillary Clinton's plans to radically shift US foreign policy and expand US military involvement throughout the Middle East and beyond, and assume Unitary Executive power that was the real news made at the Pennsylvania Democrats Debate on ABC."

[Peace Patriot]

6. Here's Martin's list! Hillary Clinton, war hawk.

1. She supported (as was big advocate within the Obama administration for) the Drone program.

2. Libya was called "Hillary's war. Result: Untold misery, death and destruction and Libya is now a bastion for Isis. Laughed at torture and murder African leader Gaddaffi. (It's on vid. Hillary: "We came, we saw, he died! Ha-ha-ha!&quot

3. Enthusiastically supported & voted for the Iraq war and all of its horror.

4. Vacationed with and took advice from war criminal Henry Kissinger. (2 MILLION people slaughtered in Southeast Asia and nearly 60,000 U.S. solders--Kissinger chief perp; supported overthrow of Chile's democracy, fascists murdered tens of thousands and killed pregnant leftist woman after they gave birth and stole their babies and placed them in fascist homes--many atrocities; Kissinger the key U.S. perp. Clinton adores Kissinger and he her.)

5. As 1st Lady, pushed Bill Clinton to bomb Yugoslavia (more mass murder, chaos and suffering).

6. Neo-Cons support Hillary over Trump because she's A HAWK (with advisers like Robert Kagan, architect of "The Project for a New American Century": Cheney-Rumsfeld's blueprint for world domination).

7. Chief voice in Obama administration for threatening Iran and pushing for war.

And Honduras.

[BlueMTexpat]

7. From what I can see per Wiki, there is little

evidence that Abby Martin has even traveled outside the US, much less has any grasp on foreign policy.

But she does seem to pick selectively from her sources to confirm whatever her opinions may be.

Eta: link correction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Martin

[BlueMTexpat]

8. She also worked for RT America.

That seems to be her total foreign affairs experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_America

And Putin is no Hillary fan. But please proceed.

[MattSh]

27. Well, at least she didn't work for CNN or the NY Times...

so that's a plus in my book.

[Bohemianwriter]

10. She apparently understands more about foreign poicy...

than Hillary Clinton...

The stances on the issues are evidence enough.

So what's the deal going after Abby Martin personally rather than her content?

Because you are a RWer with no substance to a real argument as to why you supports a neo-con whose foreign poicy experience have left a trail of blood and misery?

So what part of Hillary's previous and present foreign policy do you support and would claim you understand mjore about than Abby Martin?

Will I hear crickets, or will we get a reasonable argument as to how Hillary is progressive?

[A Simple Game]

20. Changing the message to messenger is like invoking Hitler, means you already lost the argument. n/t

[uhnope]

24. so you support posting Neo-Nazis vids from Stormfront on DU?

Why not? If you don't, then you're attacking the messenger, not the message

[A Simple Game]

25. I wouldn't support posting Neo-Nazi vids from any source, would you?

Again, it is the message, not the messenger. If CBS or the New York Times web site offered Neo-Nazi videos I still would not watch them. Apparently for you if it's an approved messenger you will accept anything they advocate? Would you watch them if they were on Hillary's website and she approved the message?

Now relax, that stretch you took in your post may have hurt some muscles.

And one more time, it is the message not the messenger.

At this point I have to assume you agree with the message because you still fail to present any argument against it.

[uhnope]

26. But Stormfront is OK, then?

out with it

[A Simple Game]

28. Your fixation with Stormfront is noted.

I'm not going to give you permission to watch Neo-Nazi videos from any web site.

As for my opinion of Stormfront? Don't know first hand as I have never been to that site. All I know about it is secondhand, and from all I read it isn't anything I would be interested in. As you seem to be so informed about the site and keep recommending it, how do you like it?

Again, I note no refutation of the original facts in question. Now it's just a diversion from the original message to a messenger at some Neo-Nazi site you seem familiar with.

[uhnope]

29. lol what a transparent & sleazy cop out

Instead of admitting that yes, some sources--"messengers" in yr parlance--might not be acceptable, you start making snide insinuations about my "fixation" with Stormfront. How embarrassing for you. Sure, as I monitor politics I see all sorts of websites. The SPLC watches lots of Stormfront as they monitor the far right in America. Are you going to cast aspersions on them too? Actually I barely know that site, I just use it as an extreme example to prove a point. But instead of just conceding the point that, yes, maybe the source/messenger can be questionable and rejectable, you start trying to smear me.

How lame. How totally lame. Yr argument collapses, leaving rubble all over the disgusting shill Abby Martin.

[A Simple Game]

30. My argument collapses? You are the one that is doing the diversion tactic, not me.

Want to argue? Then pick one of the Abby Martin's talking points and lets have at it. Don't change the subject to the messenger, then somehow you got fixated on Stormfront and now it's me that's doing the diversion tactic? And now you insinuate that I have something against the Southern Poverty Law Center? Where the hell did that come from and aren't these sudden tangent changes hard on the brain?

Start defending your candidate or we are done with this foolish conversation.