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Despite a concerted effort by the U.S. Empire to snuff out the ideology, a 2016 poll found young Americans have a much more favorable view of socialism than capitalism.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)The question is will it destroy the world along with itself first or will something happen to stop the global behemoth in its tracks before the earth is a smoking pit of of horror? (If you take the current election into account, it would appear that far too many Americans still think the leviathan of corporate global capitalism is a fine regime to live under and aren't too worried about the complete destruction of the natural world.)
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Anyone remember the Union Of Soviet Sociaist Republics? Wolff keeps trying to revive Marxism. How is life in North Korea?
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Just because capitalism is not the answer, doesn't mean we adopt a Cuba system.
BTW you show your ignorance of the USSR. At start of 1900 Russia was among the poorest countries in Europe. It was devastated by two world wars. But by 1975 it had the 2nd biggest economy in the world, and was a world power. It's form of Marxism could not have been the disaster you claim, could have it?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Not even because of Communism. It was authoritarianism/autocracy that created the nightmare we see in North Korea today. I'm not a Marxist, but Marxism didn't turn North Korea into what it is today.
reorg
(3,317 posts)So, why don't you just watch the interview and shut your mouth until you do.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The excuse is always "well they didn't do it right" Wolff keeps trying to polish a turd.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)It seems like you missed a whole lot.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)You haven't convinced me that you know anything about it.
I do not consider myself to be a Marxist, but I took classes in Marxism when I was in college; I am re-reading much of Marx's works now, including Capital, this time also reading volumes 2 and 3 as well as volume 1.
In all of that reading, I have not found one sentence written by Marx from which can be drawn a direct, straight line to the horrors of Soviet Communism.. The bulk of Marx's writing is an analysis of capitalism and why it cannot be sustained. You might want to listen to what Professor Wolff has to say about how Marx reached those conclusions.
Wolff talks about who employers (i.e., capitalists) would like to save as much money on labor costs as possible. What would happen if factories are totally automated and the capitalist do not have to pay any wages at all to any workers? The factories will still be turning out products, but who will be the buyers of those products? It's no longer just a fantasy but a very real possibility that such a world will soon materialize. That world where products still come out of factories and more human beings have become obsolete would be a very critical situation; a Marxist might call it a revolutionary situation. How would you deal with it?
This situation is becoming critical enough. Neoliberalism, the policy of every US administration starting with Reagan, would posit a severely weakened middle class. That's a critical situation. too. How are we going to deal with that? Voting for Mrs. Clinton and letting her handle it? She's been a serious part of the problem up to now, and I am very skeptical about making her president is even part of the solution.
Diremoon
(86 posts)It is not a question of when catastrophe will strike; it already has. How hot does the water we are in have to get before we acknowledge that we are in trouble?
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)Diremoon
(86 posts)The difference is that Capitalism is a failure because of something inherent to it: Greed. Marxism has been a failure because of greed and corruption in the places that it has been implemented, but it is not inherent in the system. Of the two, Marxism stands a better chance of success by itself.
But people being what they are, it is difficult to get any "pure" system to work. A mixed economy where those things that can and should be socialized are, and other things that are not important to the function of society are run in a capitalist form. Yeah, this is the opposite of what republicans advocate (privatization), but when have the republicans ideas worked? hint: not since Ike. If you want a good idea of how republican ideas turn out read Naomi Klein's the Shock Doctrine.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... the most successful, progressive and advanced socio-economic system in the history of humankind - and still going strong.
Marxism ? Now consigned to the dust bin of history.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... Marxism, however, has very spectacularly self destructed. So sure, let's do that again!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Hell, Hillary made $21 million dollars in less than 2 years doing just that!!
I wonder if there are any crumbs for us peons under those banquet tables.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Thanks for sharing this video. I learned a lot!
kentuck
(111,097 posts)...to make things better for a short time. His explanation for "I earned it !" is very credible, in my opinion.
Nobody is going to hire you for $20 per hour unless you can make them more than that, perhaps $200 per hour worth of production? It is wrong to say, "I earned it!". No, you stole it!
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)..... $200 worth of goods all on your lonesome, then why are you settling for $20? And if you can't it's disengenious to claim you are being stolen from.
downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Doomed, as the masses catch on to how they've been ripped off by the 1%ers, trying to figure out different and new ways to extort money from the system...just watch.