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In the new episode of Redacted Tonight, Lee Camp covers the results of the primary election. And its not good news. Exit polls which are an indicator of functioning democratic elections essentially gave the United States a failing rating. Elections boards are desperately struggling to explain themselves as peoples ballots go uncounted and the voting machines dont seem to be working.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Lee camp had a successful American internet show that was picked up by RT, a show that is not in any way different in content than it was. You just don't like what he says, fine. But dissing the source here is bleah.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)This is the video/multi-media forum. Not LBN
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)found full ignore. Life is short. enough of that
dchill
(38,493 posts)The truth is painfully funny.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)based on PREVIOUS elections, and younger and more enthusiastic voters are more willing to be stopped for an interview -- so there is a higher degree of self-selection. Also, they can't include early and absentee voters in their totals. In this primary, Hillary has much more strength among older voters -- the group most likely to vote absentee.
Exit polls are a useful tool but no more so than other polls.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)statistically off the chart in other countries.
This country can't even run fair elections and thats why we were recently rated 47th against other nations.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)For instance, in NY the pre-election polling aggregated average came within 1% of the final results.
This was what non-partisan 538 had to say about exit polls in 2008 and it remains true today.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit/
1. Exit polls have a much larger intrinsic margin for error than regular polls. This is because of what are known as cluster sampling techniques. Exit polls are not conducted at all precincts, but only at some fraction thereof. Although these precincts are selected at random and are supposed to be reflective of their states as a whole, this introduces another opportunity for error to occur (say, for instance, that a particular precinct has been canvassed especially heavily by one of the campaigns). This makes the margins for error somewhere between 50-90% higher than they would be for comparable telephone surveys.
2. Exit polls have consistently overstated the Democratic share of the vote. Many of you will recall this happening in 2004, when leaked exit polls suggested that John Kerry would have a much better day than he actually had. But this phenomenon was hardly unique to 2004. In 2000, for instance, exit polls had Al Gore winning states like Alabama and Georgia (!). If you go back and watch The War Room, youll find George Stephanopolous and James Carville gloating over exit polls showing Bill Clinton winning states like Indiana and Texas, which of course he did not win.
3. Exit polls were particularly bad in this years primaries. They overstated Barack Obamas performance by an average of about 7 points.
4. Exit polls challenge the definition of a random sample. Although the exit polls have theoretically established procedures to collect a random sample essentially, having the interviewer approach every nth person who leaves the polling place in practice this is hard to execute at a busy polling place, particularly when the pollster may be standing many yards away from the polling place itself because of electioneering laws.
SNIP
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)despite some of the nonsense you may have read here about machines in NY being observed to change votes.
The biggest problem in NY was due to a Repub elections official who, about 6 months ago, took some action that resulted in a widespread voters purge in Brooklyn -- a purge that affected Hillary voters just as much and maybe more than Bernie. (All the NYC boroughs voted heavily for Hillary. The best way to hurt Bernie would have been to purge large numbers of voters in upstate NY.)
An investigation is ongoing to determine exactly what happened and what consequences there will be. Personally, I think that elections official should be fired.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)all those votes cast in good faith, going down the drain of a corrupt
electoral process, with rigged machines flying in the face of hard data
that is irrefutably the fucking international Gold Standard for detecting
election fraud.
What is it going to take to turn this around? Without fair elections,
we have NOTHING ... nothing but empty noise and bogus hoopla to
delude ourselves into believing we live in a real democracy.
PS - to those berating the RT source, FU. This is raw truth in action.
Deal with it.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)where GOP officials took actions that depressed Democratic votes.
And in both cases, Hillary was probably hurt more than Bernie.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)At one point Camp rattles off a list off all or many states that use hackable
and unreliable e-voting machines; but I'm not going to find it for you
Here's one state's story, Virginia's, which is somewhat anecdotal
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/16/399986331/hacked-touchscreen-voting-machine-raises-questions-about-election-security
This Politico article claims that 43 states have problematic unreliable e-voting machines
which should tell you just how widespread this problem is.
Study: Electronic voting machines in 43 states are out of date
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/study-electronic-voting-machines-out-of-date-43-states-213632#ixzz47Q8H1kGk
BTW - this is NOT just about Bernie v. Hillary; it's about restoring the public's confidence
in our entire electoral system i.e. American democracy itself.